Should Educated/Wealthy Blacks do More to Help The Community

[Broke Wave]

lol...naw dog........100k really isnt anything........seriously.....

i only said that because alot of people who think like that dude ("nikkas will break into my house when im not there") dont even make that much but still use that mindset as an excuse to turn their back on these communities......

o no doubt... 100k aint all that but u a young nikka and i had to u right there for getting ya paper straight

but ya i totally feel u on this one... nikkas always build up this strawman like oh my god my car will be put on cinderblocks if I stay around any amount of black people I gotta move to the suburbs... its like cmon nikka nobody really out here hitting stains on civilians like that. I mean nobody saying you gotta live in the middle of the shyt but is it too much to ask for you to spend money in and around the black community, maybe have a house in the periphery and be culturally involved in a group of people who will accept you without you changing who you are?

 

[Rawtid]

What lesson? The kids don't have decent schools, books, teachers, or curriculums that even tell them what they should learn. How does a library or the Internet help if the kids don't even know how to use them? Furthermore kids need more than just the Internet to grow into well rounded adults. And you'd be surprised how many people don't have access to the Internet.

Communities fukked, opportunities scarce, schools fukked, but at least we got the Internet


How do you turn an adult into a good role model?

They already grew up through the bad influences. They are already undereducated. They have already made plenty of mistakes in their lives, including having kids they couldn't care for. But somehow we are gonna turn these people into model citizens and great parents.

and no we can't actually go help them that would be giving handouts. We just need to call them stupid and lazy till they get their shyt together

I respect your opinion on this and you make some great points but I don't see the adults as helpless. I just don't. EVERYONE is capable of changing.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Lack of opportunity? If you can go to high school which is free you have an opportunity too. Get good grades and scholarships. People come to America with NOTHING and make something of themselves. THese excuses are getting old now. People piss away their opportunities.

Are you saying that all public schools are equal? Wouldn't you say that going to school in a non-poor neighborhood affords you more opportunity than a poor school?

What about once you graduate school and you are passed up on jobs or paid less due to the color of your skin.

What about higher rates on loans?

Your "immigrants come here with nothing" statement is totaly false. The immigrants who come here with truly nothing, end up in the same neighborhoods with the same problems. The immigrants that come here and find success come here with opportunities, quality educations, and plenty of support set up for them both here and back home. Poor black people have none of this.

I'm not denying that people squander opportunity. I'm denying that, squandering opportunity is a "black" problem, and the sole cause of black people not finding success.

 

[ComputersPutin]

I don't expect people with success to help the community if they didn't do anything to try to better it before they were successful. You don't need money to be of use.

 

[the bossman]

Your "immigrants come here with nothing" statement is totaly false. The immigrants who come here with truly nothing, end up in the same neighborhoods with the same problems. The immigrants that come here and find success come here with opportunities, quality educations, and plenty of support set up for them both here and back home. Poor black people have none of this.

Disagree big time on a lot of this. Immigrants who come here with nothing may start off in the same neighborhoods with the same problems, but a lot work hard to succeed and end up in a much better place. I live in DC which has the largest African population in the country so I've seen this episode play out for decades.

They come here with no opportunities, or end up with less than what 'poor' African americans have here. Keep in mind they don't come here as US citizens, they are immigrants who have no social security number, so off the break they're already at a disadvantage for using certain social services, getting certain jobs, applying for financial aid for schools, etc. things which poor african-americans do not have to deal with. You can't imagine how much of a hassle that really is. Quality education is very debatable. Many times those who do come here with an existing degree are forced to go back and retake multiple classes because America doesn't recognize their current degree as fitting their standard to transfer one for one. Having a support structure here is where I do slightly agree and it has a major impact, but again this is not the case for all. Let's get this straight as well 'support back home' dont mean shyt here. nikkas back in Africa are on some "oh you're making those american dollars now? when you gonna send us some 'funds'"

 

[Illuminatos]

Do more as in create businesses where they can hire other blacks? YES.
Do more as in give handouts to people? NO.

You guys act like educated blacks took some magical box away from the black people in the ghetto and in that magical box are all the keys to get out of the ghetto. No. Those people still in the ghetto made the decision to not take education seriously. Black people get enough handouts.

I'm not going to fish for you. I'll teach you how to fish though.

Don't even get me started on how being intelligent is frowned upon with so many blacks. "You talk like you white." Then ten years later "You paid like you white. Hook a nikka up!" Don't shyt on a nikka while he's on his way up and then want him to help you out later on.

Lazy nikkas always want a damn "hook up." Black people need to learn how to stop depending on everyone else. shyt is pathetic. You guys act like children the way you want to leech off of shyt that PEOPLE YOU DISS have built. You say you hate white people yet leech off of them. You clown "uppity ass, smarty arts nikkas" while they're on the come up yet want to leech on them.

As far as THAT shyt goes, fukk giving handouts to black people. Learn to do shyt on your own for once and stop being lazy leeches! Sharing the same melanin as me doesn't entitle you to shyt!

This is why I don't have you on ignore. For every 20 suspect ass post you type, you always drop at least 1 gem. :lolhov::lolhov::lolhov: :lolhov::lolhov::lolhov:

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Disagree big time on a lot of this. Immigrants who come here with nothing may start off in the same neighborhoods with the same problems, but a lot work hard to succeed and end up in a much better place. I live in DC which has the largest African population in the country so I've seen this episode play out for decades.

They come here with no opportunities, or end up with less than what 'poor' African americans have here. Keep in mind they don't come here as US citizens, they are immigrants who have no social security number, so off the break they're already at a disadvantage for using certain social services, getting certain jobs, applying for financial aid for schools, etc. things which poor african-americans do not have to deal with. You can't imagine how much of a hassle that really is. Quality education is very debatable. Many times those who do come here with an existing degree are forced to go back and retake multiple classes because America doesn't recognize their current degree as fitting their standard to transfer one for one. Having a support structure here is where I do slightly agree and it has a major impact, but again this is not the case for all. Let's get this straight as well 'support back home' dont mean shyt here. nikkas back in Africa are on some "oh you're making those american dollars now? when you gonna send us some 'funds'"

First off the majority of immigrants to America end up poor and lower class. Out of those only SOME of them make it to middle/upper class just like SOME poor black people make it.

Immigrants are offered social services in excess of what poor American citizens are. They are eligible for all the same welfare, healthcare, etc, as everybody else and they are also awarded with help that only immigrants are given. Those Africans you speak of were set up from the day they were born to move to America find success and bring the rest of the family along. These people have family at home who have pooled their resources and contacts in order to send their children here with a head start. Yes they are poor, when they get here. But lack of money is not the issue for upward mobility, it's lack of opportunity.

Put it this way. If a foreigner can gather up enough money/resources in order to make the flight to America and complete the citizenship requirements, then he was already way better off than a poor American born into generations of poverty.

 

[Marciano]

Hmm......

If more blacks became educated and empowered, would there be more opportunities or just more of us fighting for the same opportunities?

Reality is real....

I believe it worked on a small scale in Tulsa, before them C.ACs burned it down. I believe it can happen again, but folks have to develop the mentality that they can do it & not look for handouts.

There's so many ways to get legit money. For example, an avg RN salary here in DC is $89K, $78K in VA. That's crazy. And with healthcare exploding & becoming more of an issue, baby boomers will be getting older & older and need care. There's several examples, I'd be here all day

 

[Marciano]

I used to be on that "if you made it you should give back steeze"...but w/ the internet, there really is no excuse.
What exactly does 99.8% of the people in this country not have access to? Its not just black people, but people in this country in general are lazy.

Someone said the only example of success of black success are athletes etc... Really?
First off, why does it matter if a successful person is black? why cant you look at a white, Mexican, Asian etc... as motivation? And these kids dont have the ability to google black scientist, entrepreneurs etc...???

I mean, the info is just hanging from a tree nowadays...think of anything you want to do and I bet there are at least 10 people on the net teaching you how to do it.


This isnt just a black thing though. Our economy is trending towards the haves and have nots...if you know how to work and adapt youre good...but if your dumb ass wants to sit on the couch and collect a check its a wrap for you.

I see what you did there....

 

[philmonroe]

o no doubt... 100k aint all that but u a young nikka and i had to u right there for getting ya paper straight

but ya i totally feel u on this one... nikkas always build up this strawman like oh my god my car will be put on cinderblocks if I stay around any amount of black people I gotta move to the suburbs... its like cmon nikka nobody really out here hitting stains on civilians like that. I mean nobody saying you gotta live in the middle of the shyt but is it too much to ask for you to spend money in and around the black community, maybe have a house in the periphery and be culturally involved in a group of people who will accept you without you changing who you are?

Bold = That bullshyt. How you going to say 100k ain't nothing when most people in the hood aren't even close to sniffing that. People can't be that stupid. No your car won't get put on cinderblocks but if your buying nice things that would make you more of a target for the few cats in the hood thats on that shyt in the first place.

 

[FluffyCorleone]

@MeachTheMonster aka @MeachTheMoron....please stop posting. You're derailing the discussion with your stupidity.

lol @ this guy:

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Making fun of your own daughter because she speaks properly (apparently this means 'speaking white'). White people anxiety? Really breh?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

@MeachTheMonster aka @MeachTheMoron....please stop posting. You're derailing the discussion with your stupidity.

lol @ this guy:

http://www.the-coli.com/locker-room/39401-why-do-black-folks-look-reasons-not-vote.html#.US5GEaVJM-0

http://www.the-coli.com/higher-learning/44728-capitalism-killing-america.html#.US5F_KVJM-0

http://www.the-coli.com/just-buggin...unds-like-little-white-girl.html#.US5JvaVJM-0

http://www.the-coli.com/locker-room/29616-i-have-white-people-anxiety.html#.US5JqKVJM-0

http://www.the-coli.com/locker-room/33009-black-people-doing-just-fine.html#.US5JpqVJM-0

Making fun of your own daughter because she speaks properly (apparently this means 'speaking white'). White people anxiety? Really breh?

Lol at thegreatestrollever searching my post history and calling me a troll.

Where did I make fun of my daughter? I said I worry about her being teased which has happened and continues to happen.

That white people anxiety shyt is real. I'm a tall brown skin black dude and white ladies clutch their purse when they see me, I've had the police called on me for walking through a white neighborhood. I've had people side eying me and even approaching me in the store cause my son was crying as if I was doing something to him. I've been cuffed and arrested for "stolen" property that i paid for. White people are bad business to a young brotha such as myself

 

[#1 pick]

Well the goal post will change. Here you have asians in this country who aren't as represented in upper management or politics yet are thriving. Now would our collective goals change to remove ourselves from the publicized positions and focus on the grassroots. The few blacks at the very top of economics, the chenaults, the magic johnsons would be more willing investors.

Also I believe the thriving black communities would invoke investment opportunities overseas. Why aren't there viable black capital groups investing in emerging East African markets? I'd believe worldwide investments would be easier if there was the potential of returns. These investors are only coming to black areas in America coupled with gentrification. So I like the possibilities if that were to happen.

They already are, I know of them in DC. The issue is simple, getting in their crew.

 

[Broke Wave]

Bold = That bullshyt. How you going to say 100k ain't nothing when most people in the hood aren't even close to sniffing that. People can't be that stupid. No your car won't get put on cinderblocks but if your buying nice things that would make you more of a target for the few cats in the hood thats on that shyt in the first place.

man im saying between us nikkas who are ambitious and tryna do way more than that its nothing to be happy about, but in general its a lot of money. we both saying its nothing because we want a lot more and we still young and trying to get more.

 

[Insensitive]

Positive roles
models, positive media etc.
Doesn't mean shyt without action.
Negative stereotypes about blacks existed in
popular culture existed in MLK and Malcolm's time
It didn't come with the advent of "Hip Hop" .

Being positive is really just a bunch of feel good
bullshyt if kids are still raised in fatherless homes,
their parents never made it past the high school education
level or even worse they never graduated highschool.

You have to change who these kids directly interact with
everyday if you want to change their lives. If a kid isn't raised
right it doesn't matter if his parents are billionaire Harvard graduates
he'll turn out bad no different than a kid born to a mother
who doesn't know any better and a father who was never around.


You instill the right values,understanding of the world etc.
You'll get a person wulse gonna do right. It doesn't matter
their taste in music or what T.V. Shows they watch at that
point.