Should Men Be Allowed "Legal Abortion"?

[Raava]

That thing about being obtuse... Read what you wrote and ask yourself if it makes any sense given the context of our little exchange.

Once again, this is simple: are we going to have the government interfere in the reproductive process (misguided in my eyes)? If so what are our parameters? That we want to ensure that those who were involved in the conception of the child do not forgo their responsibilities. From the moment we introduce this external arbiter (who has very strong means of coercion) we change the dynamics of the whole thing. If both sides engaged in the same behaviour and are culpable to the same degree, they must not be subjected to different penalties. We must not elevate one of the sides, who is equally guilty of bad behaviour, to ultimately have decision making power over the fate of the other party. If one must renounce their volition, so must the other.

So control your vagina. That's how you opt out. See I too can say irrelevant shyt without meaning, without context.

You are missing the point. I'm not being obtuse it's what it is. As the child bearer/carrier the women has more control. Bottom line. She can control her vagina, you can't. Both parties engage in the act but they aren't culpable to the same degree. Because of nature, the reproductive process that is impossible. You can't make it even. The mother is not forgoing her responsibilities if she chooses to have the baby because she carries the baby and has the baby and cares for the baby until it can itself. It is her choice because its her body to not have the baby and she has to deal with the consequences of that. You can't control that. You can only control yourself and if you create a child its your responsibility once you make that choice to bust raw in a woman you have opted out of your choice its out of your hands. Why? Because you don't bare the risk of pregnancy or abortion. What is so hard about this?

Pregnancy is not black and white you can't say make abortion illegal if men can't abandon the responsibility because that is not an equal trade. You keep trying to act like it's on an even field and it isn't. It's not like to people had sex the egg is fertalized and then they both walk away. These aren't babies being developed and born in an incubation chamber. It's not equally yoked. Nothing you are saying is making it so.

 

[richaveli83]

on another note.
i know theres guys that are scumbags out there, but theres also a great majority of men who arent.
[maybe theyre not good boyfriends or husbands but that doesnt neccessarily mean they will be shyt dads]

how could a[non scumbag] man feel comfortable knowing for a fact that he has a flesh and blood child walking around someplace ?
maybe right across town?
what about your "unwanted pregnancy baby" meeting up with your "wanted pregnancy" baby?
your parents not being able to enjoy and love their grandchildren?

even here on the coli weve seen guys who werent happy about a pregnancy but completely changed their mind once they saw the beautiful little thing?
or had a baby with a chick they never ever ever would have chose but they still love their kid?
what if you changed your mind at week 34, after youve had some time to digest and get used to it?

i mean it seems like a pretty permanent solution, very much like abortion, that you just cant take back.

maybe i dont get it, because im a mom and always wanted to be a mom and i cant even imagine the thought of signing them away.

thoughts.

I couldn't imagine not being a father. I always wanted children and I can't wait to have some of mine own. For the life of me I can't understand how a man would be alright with having a child(ren) out there and have nothing to do with them.

 

[wickedsm]

I couldn't imagine not being a father. I always wanted children and I can't wait to have some of mine own. For the life of me I can't understand how a man would be alright with having a child(ren) out there and have nothing to do with it.

tried to rep you and couldnt.

this is why you are consistently one of my faves

 

[richaveli83]

tried to rep you and couldnt.

this is why you are consistently one of my faves

Thanks queen! You're one of my favorites as well. Your husband is a lucky man!

 

[MeachTheMonster]

That thing about being obtuse... Read what you wrote and ask yourself if it makes any sense given the context of our little exchange.

Once again, this is simple: are we going to have the government interfere in the reproductive process? (misguided in my eyes) If so what are our parameters? That we want to ensure that those who were involved in the conception of the child do not forgo their responsibilities. From the moment we introduce this external arbiter (who has very strong means of coercion) we change the dynamics of the whole thing; so we must be careful how we use this thing. If both sides engaged in the same behaviour and are culpable to the same degree, they must not be subjected to different penalties. We must not elevate one of the sides, who is equally guilty of bad behaviour, to ultimately have decision making power over the fate of the other party. If one must renounce their volition, so must the other. If we do not trust their judgment to the point we must intervene, both of their desires become null and void.

So control your vagina. That's how you opt out. See I too can say irrelevant shyt without meaning, without context.

You are looking at it the wrong way.

The government doesn't have any control over conception and reproduction at all.

The only thing the Government does is protects a child's right to be supported by its parents.

 

[PinotNoir]

No my body my way but in all honesty if a man asked me to have an abortion I'd agree to it because it's not right to bring a child into such an unwanted situation. I'd abort and cut all contact with him immediately, he'd no longer exist to me. Problem solved. You can sex without protection but not think I'm good enough etc to have your child. Uh uh

 

[Absalom's Thought]

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[Raava]

No dear it's your reasoning that is flawed. The woman has more control because we enacted laws assuring her that we will coerce the male into contributing one way or another. My issue is not with the female's right to choose whether to continue or terminate pregnancy. But rather that this artificial construct we created where it's legal to track down and prosecute one dunce, while the other one (who for some reason we mostly equate to a poor victim) has available a few avenues, one of them being to completely stepping away from the situation. Like I said if we do not trust their judgment to the point we must intervene, both of their desires become null and void.

For most of our history these laws did not exist and somehow we fared better. Women are coddled, they get to walk away from their irresponsibility even if the male wishes to keep the child. And they get to force the man to attach himself to an unwanted child (even if all precautions were taken). All it takes to reverse this is enough men to say enough and then you'll understand that these rights, what I can and cannot, are all based on those very simple dictums that nature set long ago: the law is whatever men set. Then you may not like, yet if it's ok to arbitrarily give the shaft to one in favor of the other, so be it.

That's me for the evening, anyway...

Nope and goodnight.

 

[Absalom's Thought]

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[MeachTheMonster]

Of course it does. It delineates under which circumstances it's acceptable to abort for example.

No. The only time it's deamed unacceptable to abort is when the fetus is a viable human and has a right to life. It's always about protecting rights, not dictating lives.

Women use it to have access to affordable or even free birth control.

That is not the government making reproductive decisions. That's the government assisting citizens in the decisions they made.

 

[Lady.Libra.]

tried to rep you and couldnt.

this is why you are consistently one of my faves

Did it for you, lady.

 

[#SOG_soldier]

A law in Sweden proposes to allow men up to the 18th week of pregnancy to opt out of all parental rights and financial obligations. Thoughts?

fukk you. This Nikka beat me to it. I sear
swear to god I was gonna make this thread but got high instead.














Anyway I think the best way to make this work is let either party pull out up until the baby is one. Parenthood shouldn't be forced on anyone imo. But child care, Ave orphan system need a rehaul ASAP.

 

[The_Truth]

It won't. Women won't let this fly. Neither will politicians who are voted in by them.

This would also make women more selective of who they let raw dog 'em

Exactly. This will never come to America.

 

[#SOG_soldier]

Sounds like a recipe for disaster especially in the Black community. Ya'll hate the feminist agenda but something like this would be a strong part of it. Many feminist don't think men need to be present to raise child. I have a friend who is on this tip. Men would think they won with this one but the future of the community would lose exponentially.

Get out of jail free pass with your seed is not acceptable. There are just somethings you should do. Be responsible for what you create is one of them.

If women have a get out a jail free card, why can't men?

 

[ezrathegreat]

Sweden is ahead of the curve on this one. Hopefully, this law is established in the United States.