Should the Bulls trade Jimmy Butler?

[Art Barr]

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I think the question isn't so much jimmy's talent level ..does he have limitations offensively ..obviously he does

But This komes down more to jimmy realizing that himself and rather then bein the only top dog realizing he has to be able to co exist with others in order for them to win. .

At this point his mental make up and how he blends with his coach and team.mates is more of a weakness , then his shortcomings as a player

Actually, I had no issues with butler asserting himself.
It just came when rose was coming back and it was probably bizzarro land to everyone.
With a new coach and now butler as the new it guy.
I think it threw everyone for a loop to come in and the guy who has the lower draft pedigree who got where he got from actual hard work is now vocal.
That can be weird and with a new coach who had no experience and also who did not have the bulls playing tenacious.
Including thibs being ousted for supposedly precipitating injuries from over exhaustion[which we now know is a lie, cause the bulls were injured again and thibs was wrongly ousted].
So, couple that with butler seeing them lacking and with that kinda bizzarro unfamiliar social team dynamic and transfer of power taking place.

I, just think it was more that dynamic that is there.
I don't really see an issue and this team on paper.
if they played big and were healthy would have been as formidable as anyone.
It is just the social dynamic and social hierarchy of who is now the man and how it played out.
even from player to coach caught them off guard.

Bulls should have never gotten rid of thibs.
As thibs ruled with how you really coach a bball team for real and for them to oust him with their reasoning was bullshyt.

With that said,...i go off to make my campaign for thibs to be the wolves coach thread.


Art Barr

 

[Shutdown10]

I think the question isn't so much jimmy's talent level ..does he have limitations offensively ..obviously he does

But This komes down more to jimmy realizing that himself and rather then bein the only top dog realizing he has to be able to co exist with others in order for them to win. .

At this point his mental make up and how he blends with his coach and team.mates is more of a weakness , then his shortcomings as a player

I like Rose and Butler, but I if I was in charge I would put an ultimatum on both of their heads this off season to both to improve their jumpers and work out together. They need to learn how to play off each other for this team to realistically have a chance to truly compete. We also need to improve in other areas and positions, but this ultimately starts and ends with them being able to be a threat every night in a out. Jimmy needs to understand you can't force your way into leadership and you cannot be a do everything guy when you need to worry about fixing the flaws you have in your game at the position you play.He needs to improve his relationship with Coach Hoiberg, especially since he was one of the players reported that was tired of playing with Thibs. I know Rose has been through alot, but he has persevered and managed to get himself back to playing at a respectable level. I want him to regain that passion for the game and that he will die on the court attitude again. I don't want him to be a what if guy because his career is not over with yet. He still has time to completely change the chapters on how his story will be told. This contract year needs to be huge for him because that will be a pivotal point in what he turns into from that point on. I believe that he will put in the work and bring it like he use to bring it, but he needs to have that jumper on point and get a post game going like Kobe told him to do.

 

[Liquid]

Jimmy Butler is not a franchise player. I would trade him for a bunch of picks at this point.

A dumbass team like the knicks will probably take rose like @Malta pointed out. The knicks are incompetent as they come...throw any old trash at them and they will consider it for a 7th seed in the east.

 

[Cadillac]

Ur a top 5 poster

Salute

 

[AVXL]

Would you sign and trade Horford for him?

This team would implode

Hawks are a team of professional, hard working good guys and NO egos. Jimmy as the #1 option with an ego could kill the chemistry b/c no one would keep him in check

But from a player to player trade it's a tempting deal

 

[god shamgod]

Griffin for jimmy would work,salaries match griffin would be in an open offense where he can play to his strengths,clippers get a 2 way wing which is exactly what they need and jimmy definitely wouldn't have any chemistry issues with chris paul he'd be eating with a real pg.Works for both teams

 

[Art Barr]

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Jimmy Butler is not a franchise player. I would trade him for a bunch of picks at this point.

A dumbass team like the knicks will probably take rose like @Malta pointed out. The knicks are incompetent as they come...throw any old trash at them and they will consider it for a 7th seed in the east.

No you can not trade butler.
As he actually ramped his way up and is actually a proven commodity.
Especially when arguably he could be rated the best Sg in the league.
Plus, he plays big and has the higher IQ of any sg in league as far as converting on offense with little effort.
He is also the best give and go player and alley oop converting guard in the league, too.

Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

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Griffin for jimmy would work,salaries match griffin would be in an open offense where he can play to his strengths,clippers get a 2 way wing which is exactly what they need and jimmy definitely wouldn't have any chemistry issues with chris paul he'd be eating with a real pg.Works for both teams

Clippers would be stoopid to give up griffin.
The clippers are exactly jimmy butler away with this lineup from being what their errant projections usually are.

Art Barr

*had to change mad touch screen errors

 

[Liquid]

No you can not trade butler.
As he actually ramped his way up and is actually a proven commodity.
Especially when arguably he could be rated the best Sg in the league.
Plus, he plays big and has the higher IQ of any sg in league as far as converting on offense with little effort.
He is also the best give and go player and alley converting guard in the league, too.

Art Barr

Be delusional brehs.

 

[El Jefe]

I like Rose and Butler, but I if I was in charge I would put an ultimatum on both of their heads this off season to both to improve their jumpers and work out together. They need to learn how to play off each other for this team to realistically have a chance to truly compete. We also need to improve in other areas and positions, but this ultimately starts and ends with them being able to be a threat every night in a out. Jimmy needs to understand you can't force your way into leadership and you cannot be a do everything guy when you need to worry about fixing the flaws you have in your game at the position you play.He needs to improve his relationship with Coach Hoiberg, especially since he was one of the players reported that was tired of playing with Thibs. I know Rose has been through alot, but he has persevered and managed to get himself back to playing at a respectable level. I want him to regain that passion for the game and that he will die on the court attitude again. I don't want him to be a what if guy because his career is not over with yet. He still has time to completely change the chapters on how his story will be told. This contract year needs to be huge for him because that will be a pivotal point in what he turns into from that point on. I believe that he will put in the work and bring it like he use to bring it, but he needs to have that jumper on point and get a post game going like Kobe told him to do.

I said this last year these 2 should have been working out together last off season ..( but I saw laughed @ n told there was no need )

2x ..rose needs to work on his pick n roll D as well

Jimmy's main focus should be the team comes first and not want to create issues for me.and my team.mates

Def seems this locker room was splt

 

[Art Barr]

Be delusional brehs.

Act like the sg position has depth, breh.
Also who else converts as many give and go alley oops as butler from gasol did last year.
That is butler bread and butter besides his dribble drive to mid range perimeter to three Marquette pedigree game.

 

[god shamgod]

Clippers would be stoopid to give up griffin.
The clippers are exactly jimmy butler away with this lineup of being hat their errsnt projections usually are.

Art Barr

Griffin has more star power, he's a fan favorite,mvp caliber player.Jimmy is the better FIT for the clippers cuz blake and dj clog up the paint the clippers were averaging like 107 ppg without griffin for 45 games of course they aren't a title team without griffin but with jimmy butler at the 3 they are.Doc already on record saying if the clippers lose early then they would consider changing things and griffin has more value than paul and jordan.

 

[Art Barr]

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Griffin has more star power, he's a fan favorite,mvp caliber player.Jimmy is the better FIT for the clippers cuz blake and dj clog up the paint the clippers were averaging like 107 ppg without griffin for 45 games of course they aren't a title team without griffin but with jimmy butler at the 3 they are.Doc already on record saying if the clippers lose early then they would consider changing things and griffin has more value than paul and jordan.

Personally,....
In the future to speculate
I, see the clippers lose and the cavs lose and then if I am the clippers.
I trade Paul for kyrie and go from there.
Then if I am doc I ramp kyrie's pg pedigree like he did to that bum rondo.

Other than that, the issue is if kyrie is open to being taught or is to egotistical to be ramped up by doc.
Yet imo, I think we will see this possible Cleveland buddy super team be possibly made.
If and when Cleveland loses and we see Melo and cpiii join bron.
if the cavs lose.

Art Barr

 

[god shamgod]

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Personally,....
In the future to speculate
I, see the clippers lose and the cavs lose and then if I am the clippers.
I trade Paul for kyrie and go from there.
Then if I am doc I ramp kyrie's pg pedigree like he did to that bum rondo.

Other than that, the issue is if kyrie is open to being taught or is to egotistical to be ramped up by doc.
Yet imo, I think we will see this possible Cleveland buddy super team be possibly made.
If and when Cleveland loses and we see Melo and cpiii join bron.
if the cavs lose.

Art Barr

A lot of people think lebron will try to acquire his boy paul if the cavs & clippers lose.I wouldn't make that trade if I was the clippers.Irving is what he is,a shoot 1st scoring "pg" I know blake can handle the rock and create offense but paul be creating too much offense for jordan and redikk to risk giving him up for irving the clippers need a top notch wing like a melo,butler,durant,paul george if they acquired any of these dudes they would be legit without griffin.

 

[Art Barr]

A lot of people think lebron will try to acquire his boy paul if the cavs & clippers lose.I wouldn't make that trade if I was the clippers.Irving is what he is,a shoot 1st scoring "pg" I know blake can handle the rock and create offense but paul be creating too much offense for jordan and redikk to risk giving him up for irving the clippers need a top notch wing like a melo,butler,durant,paul george if they acquired any of these dudes they would be legit without griffin.

I would not give up griffin, breh.
In the off's you need that flame thrower j and his top flight inside game.
Maybe because griffin was out, people forgot how efficient he was.
I am with you on not swapping out cp3 for kyrie.
I just think they have mentioned it to much not think it is a possibility.
As they have started alluding to the:

Kyrie goes to the clips for cp3
Love goes to the knicks for Melo and some particulars.

That I think it may possibly occur.

Art Barr