Should the Electoral College be thrown in the bushes?

[Black Panther]

So you don't want a fair election you want it to be about you lol.

I live in a coast city; I'd rather not have the Midwest cities determine who gets to be president every election.

It's not an either/or issue. EC puts flyover states on a level playing field with larger metro areas (in theory).

I agree it's not the best system; sometimes though a bad system is in place to prevent a worse system. :kanyebp: I haven't heard any constructive arguments for a replacement electoral system.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

that's not the full case though.

Food/agriculture, Power/energy, manufacturing, etc. mostly all happen OUTSIDE of cities, by ppl living in flyover states and small rural communities. their roles in society are very important, but most ppl that live in cities take that shyt for granted and think those voices shouldn't matter.

without those industries those cities would all fail.

the problem isn't the EC, the problem...which has already been said, is gerrymandering, and abusing the system that is in place to make arbitrary lines where none should be, just to win votes.

the system does need an overall in the way it is managed, however it is better overall than the popular vote, in regards to fairness for all.

If their roles are so important why is their so much urban flight? Is it less important to even the people who originate from there?

 

[hayesc0]

It's not an either/or issue. EC puts flyover states on a level playing field with larger metro areas (in theory).

I agree it's not the best system; sometimes though a bad system is in place to prevent a worse system. :kanyebp: I haven't heard any constructive arguments for a replacement electoral system.

I'm sorry but popular vote is the best option ec is giving unfair political power to a minority of the voters.

 

[ghostwriterx]

It's not an either/or issue. EC puts flyover states on a level playing field with larger metro areas (in theory).

I agree it's not the best system; sometimes though a bad system is in place to prevent a worse system. :kanyebp: I haven't heard any constructive arguments for a replacement electoral system.

This is bs. Large metro areas pay more in federal taxes and represent more diverse populations culturally, racially, class wise etc. Electoral college caters to poorer lesser educated white people.

Governors, congress and local government are the ones making most decisions that affect smaller cities and rural areas.

 

[Maschine_Man]

If their roles are so important why is their so much urban flight? Is it less important to even the people who originate from there?

because our society makes ppl think that being hip and urban is better than being rural and "country".

Cities are also a lot more convenient for most ppl, and the work in cities is a lot less demanding physically, something that more and more ppl are trying to avoid.

Cities provide many amenities, all of which are being supported by rural areas. I personally live in a city, but I still acknowledge and understand how things work.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

because our society makes ppl think that being hip and urban is better than being rural and "country".

Cities are also a lot more convenient for most ppl, and the work in cities is a lot less demanding physically, something that more and more ppl are trying to avoid.

Cities provide many amenities, all of which are being supported by rural areas. I personally live in a city, but I still acknowledge and understand how things work.

Hmm . . I think their is something to that, especially about societal pressure. But pushing back on less physically demanding work, isn't the problem in farming, mining, manufacturing automation not people unwilling to do physically demanding work? I think their are still plenty of people willing. Also those type of jobs, unions have been busted most likely and they pay less than they used to.

 

[Maschine_Man]

Hmm . . I think their is something to that, especially about societal pressure. But pushing back on less physically demanding work, isn't the problem in farming, mining, manufacturing automation not people unwilling to do physically demanding work? I think their are still plenty of people willing. Also those type of jobs, unions have been busted most likely and they pay less than they used to.

I think there are still ppl willing to do that work now too, which is why they are doing it. However societal pressure is still pushing more and more ppl towards cities and to more "urban" careers. (no fault of their own, just circumstance).

That still doesn't provide an explanation to why those ppl that are doing those rural jobs shouldn't be heard. the problem is that a popular vote means that candidates stop wasting their time with these ppl. If anything, the EC just allows their voices to be heard, and keeps the candidates "honest" (whatever the fukk that means nowadays, lol)

I don't think the system is perfect, and I think the balances are off, but I don't think a true popular vote is better overall.

there really does need to be an over haul of the system, but just going to a straight popular vote is no good.

 

[ghostwriterx]

I think there are still ppl willing to do that work now too, which is why they are doing it. However societal pressure is still pushing more and more ppl towards cities and to more "urban" careers. (no fault of their own, just circumstance).

That still doesn't provide an explanation to why those ppl that are doing those rural jobs shouldn't be heard. the problem is that a popular vote means that candidates stop wasting their time with these ppl. If anything, the EC just allows their voices to be heard, and keeps the candidates "honest" (whatever the fukk that means nowadays, lol)

I don't think the system is perfect, and I think the balances are off, but I don't think a true popular vote is better overall.

there really does need to be an over haul of the system, but just going to a straight popular vote is no good.

What are the practical implications here? With a popular vote it's true candidates will probably spend less time in states like Ohio, but what goes unsaid is that candidates generally don't spend much time in any state now that isn't a tossup, regardless of size. Trump wasn't throwing rallies in California and NY after the primary. I guess the people in those states voices aren't important.

Mind you I'm still waiting to hear an example of a policy or legislation a President has pushed that adversely affected rural/flyover states to the benefit of the Liberal Elites in NYC and LA.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

No.

While the electoral college was born out of a racist sentiment, it highlights a real problem with equal representation in a nation besieged by concerns of population density.

 

[hayesc0]

What are the practical implications here? With a popular vote it's true candidates will probably spend less time in states like Ohio, but what goes unsaid is that candidates generally don't spend much time in any state now that isn't a tossup, regardless of size. Trump wasn't throwing rallies in California and NY after the primary. I guess the people in those states voices aren't important.

Mind you I'm still waiting to hear an example of a policy or legislation a President has pushed that adversely affected rural/flyover states to the benefit of the Liberal Elites in NYC and LA.

I have argued this people overlook it though.

 

[Maschine_Man]

What are the practical implications here? With a popular vote it's true candidates will probably spend less time in states like Ohio, but what goes unsaid is that candidates generally don't spend much time in any state now that isn't a tossup, regardless of size. Trump wasn't throwing rallies in California and NY after the primary. I guess the people in those states voices aren't important.

Mind you I'm still waiting to hear an example of a policy or legislation a President has pushed that adversely affected rural/flyover states to the benefit of the Liberal Elites in NYC and LA.

it's not necessarily about being PHYSICALLY there. it's about ensuring that they are being listened to.

ppl from those "flyover' states have different priorities than those in the cities

 

[ghostwriterx]

it's not necessarily about being PHYSICALLY there. it's about ensuring that they are being listened to.

Hmmm, the only thing the electoral college "ensures" is that they will have their hands held every 4 years.

ppl from those "flyover' states have different priorities than those in the cities

And those priorities are more important than the priorities of people in large cities? Cities are ideologically more diverse, but we should cater to flyover country because...

Flyover country elects local and state officials to address their "different" priorities. BTW "flyover" country is far from some monolith. The priorities of Cleveland residents aren't necessarily the same as the priorities of Buffalo residents just because they're both small midwest cities.

 

[Maschine_Man]

Hmmm, the only thing the electoral college "ensures" is that they will have their hands held every 4 years.



And those priorities are more important than the priorities of people in large cities? Cities are ideologically more diverse, but we should cater to flyover country because...

Flyover country elects local and state officials to address their "different" priorities. BTW "flyover" country is far from some monolith. The priorities of Cleveland residents aren't necessarily the same as the priorities of Buffalo residents just because they're both small midwest cities.

umm...what?

who called them a monolith?
who said that they all shared the same priorities?

 

[ghostwriterx]

umm...what?

who called them a monolith?
who said that they all shared the same priorities?

ppl from those "flyover' states have different priorities than those in the cities

If you're not arguing they're a monolith that what's your point here?

 

[EndDomination]

I live in the Midwest; I'd rather not have the coast cities determine who gets to be president every election.

Gore, Kerry, Obama, Obama, Clinton?

Can't say I disagree with their last 20 years of choices.