SHOULD WATER BE FREE?

[godkiller]

Should water be free, and accessible to all regardless of ability to pay?

70% of Earth is made of water, but only 2.5% of it is fresh water, and most of that water is frozen in ice or deep in the ground.

It takes substantial capital investments and operations expenses to provide clean drinking water to every home and business, and someone must pay the bill.
The activists' solution is to pay for it with taxes, rather than water utility rates. However, this leads to overuse(see California), as water users don't see a connection between their usage and costs. This IMO is an environmentally poor approach.

Activists also mean that allocation of water on a large scale (i.E., between utilities or industries, not between individual residents who normally just buy water from a utility) should be determined by the public, i.E., politicians, without the functioning of market economic forces. If one smaller city owns water rights, the activists would say that citizens of a larger city should be able to come and take those water rights based on political power, without compensating the smaller city.

According to the activists, "privatized" or "commoditized" in this case means that water may be allocated by property rules and transferred or exchanged for money. Personally, I believe a property rights and market system works better than a political one, since it allows the two cities to agree on the terms of a transfer, whereas under the political system, whoever has more votes will be able to impose their will on others. While there is a place for such actions in a democracy, we also need to protect the rights of the minority, and property rights are one of the best ways to do that... IMHO

Just a question: So because water involves the market system and investment capital, your opinion is that water shouldn't be free.
If oxygen was also put on the market with the same stipulations, would you have the same opinion?

 

[tmonster]

Free???!!!! Only if you hate the economy, small businesses and man's natural right to be free

 

[tmonster]

TL;DR? watch the vid

Utah has the right idea
The land is all out there and you can't collect land so why should you be able to collect water?

 

[tmonster]

Should water be free, and accessible to all regardless of ability to pay?

regardless of ability to pay? what is this communist Russia?

 

[Truth200]

@DEAD7 don't project your west Coast problems on us over here on the East Coast...

 

[a man of the people]

regardless of ability to pay? what is this communist Russia?

You get the fire department to save your burning ass regardless of ability to pay? what is this communist Russia?
You get traffic lights without paying for them? what is this communist Russia?
You get to use the library for free? what is this communist Russia?

For fukk's sake, like all government services, you're going to pay for water, the question is whether you're going to pay for it through taxation or through consumption taxes/fees, you want to support paying for usage that's fine, I think it screws the poor a bit, but for real, neither way is communist Russia.

It's 2015 and we're still doing the red scare thing?

Free???!!!! Only if you hate the economy, small businesses and man's natural right to be free

How the fukk would changing the way we fund public utility like water is going to hurt the economy, small businesses and a man's natural right to be free?
Please, explain this to me in small words so I'd understand, maybe use some pictures.

 

[tmonster]

You get the fire department to save your burning ass regardless of ability to pay?

and this is a big problem, which some states are repairing

not only does this teach the homeowner a valuable lesson about self reliance and fiscal responsibility but it also stimulates the economy as he will have to get a loan and hire people to rebuild the house.

You get traffic lights without paying for them?

technically I don't need traffic lights and each man should decide for himself when he should stop his own car, Your oppressive big government tendencies are showing friend! BUT in any case through the thievery of my money as tax, these lights were already paid for

You get to use the library for free?

who needs libraries? kids can access all the information they need on the web for free on their phones or they can just learn from nature, instead of having to be brainwashed at your institutionally run "libraries", the tax (theft) money used for libraries should go to subsidy companies so they can afford to create more jobs

you're going to pay for water, the question is whether you're going to pay for it through taxation or through consumption taxes/fees

water should be privatized, this will create jobs and improve the economy

How the fukk would changing the way we fund public utility like water is going to hurt the economy, small businesses and a man's natural right to be free?

We don't need big government telling us how to use water, let people make businesses out of the water supply so we can grow the economy
free your mind breh

 

[Broke Wave]

You want to imprison the poor and force them into labor?

Just felt familiar.


I respectfully strongly disagree with you.

You are a dullard if you didn't understand my post.

 

[DEAD7]

Just a question: So because water involves the market system and investment capital, your opinion is that water shouldn't be free.
If oxygen was also put on the market with the same stipulations, would you have the same opinion?

The air that we breathe can be readily consumed immediately; you could even say that you yourself are a company that collects the air and sells it to yourself for free. However water isn't always drinkable in the state in whcih you find it, which is why companies go and purify the water at their cost and sell that water in order to make their money back and continue producing purified water for the public to use... not really the same thing.

 

[tmonster]

The air that we breathe can be readily consumed immediately; you could even say that you yourself are a company that collects the air and sells it to yourself for free. However water isn't always drinkable in the state in whcih you find it, which is why companies go and purify the water at their cost and sell that water in order to make their money back and continue producing purified water for the public to use... not really the same thing.

The fact that we breathe air without paying for it just proves what I have been saying all along, all citizens are criminals until we adopt the ways of the gawd Ayn Rand

 

[badhat]

The air that we breathe can be readily consumed immediately; you could even say that you yourself are a company that collects the air and sells it to yourself for free. However water isn't always drinkable in the state in whcih you find it, which is why companies go and purify the water at their cost and sell that water in order to make their money back and continue producing purified water for the public to use... not really the same thing.

Well, you're just claiming they're accidentally not the same thing because air doesn't need processing. You're not making any sort of rights based argument on how air is different from water.

 

[Regular_P]

and this is a big problem, which some states are repairing

not only does this teach the homeowner a valuable lesson about self reliance and fiscal responsibility but it also stimulates the economy as he will have to get a loan and hire people to rebuild the house.


technically I don't need traffic lights and each man should decide for himself when he should stop his own car, Your oppressive big government tendencies are showing friend! BUT in any case through the thievery of my money as tax, these lights were already paid for

who needs libraries? kids can access all the information they need on the web for free on their phones or they can just learn from nature, instead of having to be brainwashed at your institutionally run "libraries", the tax (theft) money used for libraries should go to subsidy companies so they can afford to create more jobs

water should be privatized, this will create jobs and improve the economy

We don't need big government telling us how to use water, let people make businesses out of the water supply so we can grow the economy
free your mind breh

Might be the post of the year.

 

[DEAD7]

Might be the post of the year.

It really might

@tmonster

 

[DEAD7]

Well, you're just claiming they're accidentally not the same thing because air doesn't need processing. You're not making any sort of rights based argument on how air is different from water.

 

[alybaba]

Residential yes, commercial, agricultural and industrial no