Should we acknowledge that CM Punk's accomplishments and 'trailblazing' is being erased because.....

[Golayitdown]

Punk's character wasn't as accessible as Bryan's

What do you mean by this and what are you using to determine accessibility? At the surface it makes no sense.

How is Punk not as accessible when he legimately had mainstream attention back to the WWE for he first time in almost a decade? He could have been the catalyst to kick off a new era years before Bryan got to his peak. Bryan is popular as hell, but he would have been in an even better spot to be even bigger if he would have been in a position to continue from where Punk started.

It would be like if WWF dropped the ball and didn't capitalize on Austin blowing up in 96-98, then they pushed the Rock heavy from 99-2002. Would Rock be successful? Without a doubt, but would he be AS successful without a good running head start?

 

[stro]

He represented the next era of that wrestler that isn't supposed to break the mold but did. In the 90s you had the Guerrero/Benoit/Jericho/Mysterio wave, and they carried on throughout the first half of the 2000s, then toward the end of the decade is when all the guys in the OP started making moves. And he was the first to break thru, who had to take all of the 'ah, he's an indie guy', 'not big enough', 'not sure what to do with him' shyt and keep excelling. I don't think it's being forgotten, but it is underacknowledged. In a time where the "they only like big muscle guys" opinion is still popular, this MF was 218 pounds (billed) and barely 6 feet, and held the title for longer than anyone had since Randy Savage (another one who was smaller than the norm). Without Punk makin' the breakthroughs he made, DB probably would've gone thru more roadblocks than he did.

The whole concept of "Vince only likes big muscle guys" has always been bullshyt. People complaining about Braun Stroman's nonexistent push because he's big and people are convinced he's somehow dominating the roster or some shyt. The average size of a WWE champ throughout history is like 6 feet even and 230 pounds. fukk heads just don't understand that EVERYONE was bigger back in the day. Bret and HBK were considered small guys, but then you see them around guys today and they're way bigger than most of them. "Vince loves big muscle guys" was just a byproduct of an era where legit big fukking dudes got involved in wrestling. Dudes back then might have been given a chance they otherwise wouldn't have had, but they got booted for smaller brehs the second it wasn't working.

 

[Slystallion]

That wrestlemania fued between both would have been epic could have been the rock and Austin of today...

But Vince is an old senile fukk who gets hard ons for guys like reigns when if he played it right reigns could have came in as the over undertaker type in addition to punk and Bryan and Cena

 

[Silkk]

The whole concept of "Vince only likes big muscle guys" has always been bullshyt. People complaining about Braun Stroman's nonexistent push because he's big and people are convinced he's somehow dominating the roster or some shyt. The average size of a WWE champ throughout history is like 6 feet even and 230 pounds. fukk heads just don't understand that EVERYONE was bigger back in the day. Bret and HBK were considered small guys, but then you see them around guys today and they're way bigger than most of them. "Vince loves big muscle guys" was just a byproduct of an era where legit big fukking dudes got involved in wrestling. Dudes back then might have been given a chance they otherwise wouldn't have had, but they got booted for smaller brehs the second it wasn't working.

Nah, Vince loves big guys. The Lashley story is proof of that. That's the reason he hated Rey Mysterio so much. From the mouth of a former writer

 

[Jmare007]

I don't think Punk is being overshadowed because of Bryan being perceived...well, let's be honest, being, a nicer, better guy. I think Punk is being left in the dark by fans because he left, is still really fukking bitter about the business and is an a$$hole so fans have turned on him.

To me, Punk's biggest contribution was being so confrontational and showing Vince a "vanilla midget/internet darling" could be an important player in WWE. Not as the ace of the company, but an important part of it. I do think Bryan gets signed by WWE regardless of what happened with Punk, BUT there's no way so many indy dudes get signed in the last few years without Punk being a pain in the ass and forcing people to realize that guys from his backround were worth a contract.

Having said that. People gotta realize that Bryan faced pretty much the same challenges as Punk, every big break D-Bry got was a combination of really good luck (I mean, the way he won the MITB and WHC is hilariously random ) and people just really liking him.

 

[Jmare007]

The whole concept of "Vince only likes big muscle guys" has always been bullshyt. People complaining about Braun Stroman's nonexistent push because he's big and people are convinced he's somehow dominating the roster or some shyt. The average size of a WWE champ throughout history is like 6 feet even and 230 pounds. fukk heads just don't understand that EVERYONE was bigger back in the day. Bret and HBK were considered small guys, but then you see them around guys today and they're way bigger than most of them. "Vince loves big muscle guys" was just a byproduct of an era where legit big fukking dudes got involved in wrestling. Dudes back then might have been given a chance they otherwise wouldn't have had, but they got booted for smaller brehs the second it wasn't working.

Not really. "Big guys" is a very relative concept, that I agree. But New York was known for being a "big guy" town, more than others, and Cokeboy clearly leaned more to big physiques like his pops. That he "only" likes big guys is clearly bullshyt, but there's no question he's more willing to show more patience and try to force people that fit his idea of how a wrestler should look like than others.

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

lets look at who got the biggest pushes ever in the history of wwe and see if they were big guys for their era:

• Bruno - yes
• backlund - no
• andre - yes
  
• hogan - yes
• savage - no
• sid - yes
• luger - yes
  
• hbk - no
• nash - yes
  
• bret - no
• taker - yes
• kane - yes
• austin - i'd call him "par" but he wasn't a giant nor a small guy. he's the prototype wwe size IMO
• rock - yes
  
• hhh - yes
• Eddie - no
• crispin - no
  
• cena - yes
• batista - yes
  
• punk - no
• bryan - no
• Reigns - yes

so, realistically the people who got the BIGGEST pushes, were the biggest guys. but wwe hasn't ONLY pushed big guys

 

[stro]

Bruno was wide, but short. Almost every dude he feuded with was noticeably taller than him. Andre was a unique case and I don't think you can count him in the same category as....anyone, really. He was never the main guy. Anywhere. He was a traveling attraction and beyond that shyt. Sid's first run in WWE went nowhere, Lex's went nowhere, Taker certainly wasn't close to a big muscle guy and was rarely actually the main event. Austin was considered small when he got to WWE. He was about the same size as HBK (a bit shorter), although he bulked up later on in WWE.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

No one is forgetting about what Punk did. Not even sure the point of this thread. Like someone said earlier, even Bryan would agree with that.

I dont know breh.... I disagree.... from how they acted on Raw and the tweets they showing its seems like Punk dont even exist. The E did make it seem like Bryan was the one that opened the doors for the ROH/Indie guys when in reality Punk was there years well before him struggling and fighting his way to the top. A lot of the ways they portrayed Bryan as this "trailblazer" kinda pissed me off more about the E in terms of the petty stuff and history revisionist shyt they do

I think this thread is a great thread to make sure niccas aint falling for the E okey doke! I've seen this too many times now

 

[R=G]

Punk didn't knock down any doors..he became what he hated. A politican. Bryan never did. He was a everyman till the very end...the signings of Tyler Black and Ambrose were moot because it was all just a vehicle for Roman. No one who has got heralded have mattered on the main roster except for Shield and again...Roman Reigns. The Wyatts are losers. Adam Rose ain't shyt. The Ascension failed. Breeze isn't even allowed on Raw. What doors did CM Punk open for them? He usually won, got alot of mic time, got a reign to set up a Rock match, etc. He was on easy Street for years.

shyt..Punk was walking around with Danielson's moniker "Best In The World"

 

[R=G]

An interesting subtopic is imagine if Punk would have been used to/or reached his fullest potential during his WWE prime. He was big but could have been so much bigger.

For example, I feel that Bryan peaked and wasn't going to get much bigger than his YES movement, though he could have been at the same height for at least another 3-4 years easily. Punk, on the other hand, never really reached his potential as an overall superstar and it's a damn shame.

Lol

 

[Golayitdown]

Lol

You mean

 

[R=G]

I was thinking about making this thread the other day. Punk was THE trailblazer for all this shyt. Bryan's accomplishments are VERY commendable and can be argued that he took it to a higher level than Punk (due to various factors - most out of Punk's control), but make no mistake that without Punk, there would have been even more resistance than there was already for Bryan and the like.

Wtf....hahaha

 

[stro]

Punk didn't knock down any doors..he became what he hated. A politican. Bryan never did. He was a everyman till the very end...the signings of Tyler Black and Ambrose were moot because it was all just a vehicle for Roman. No one who has got heralded have mattered on the main roster except for Shield and again...Roman Reigns. The Wyatts are losers. Adam Rose ain't shyt. The Ascension failed. Breeze isn't even allowed on Raw. What doors did CM Punk open for them? He usually won, got alot of mic time, got a reign to set up a Rock match, etc. He was on easy Street for years.

shyt..Punk was walking around with Danielson's moniker "Best In The World"

...what? Was Roman Reigns WWE champ for 8 months and I missed it somehow? And what do guys like Adam Rose, Tyler Breeze, and the Wyatts have to do with CM Punk/Daniel Bryan being undersized indie dudes or with Roman Reigns?

 

[Golayitdown]

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