Should weapons/guns be banned?

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no they aren't :childplease: dummy

yeah, let's ban gun sales so the criminals can have an even greater advantage :gladbron:

It's known breh that many guns are stolen from legal owners who don't lock their stuff up.
I saw a Gun Advocate write that this incident, if anything, should loosen gun laws. he said
"If someone was carrying in that movie theatre, they couldve ended it quickly"

He had full amour and a ar 15. no pistol would stop him.
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88m3 is also right to say no one is a criminal until they commit a crime. He bought all his stuff legally
 

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So can I, want to fight?


No one said that faggit read what I wrote.


I don't think emptying a clip in apartment because I'm stupid enough to live in a bad neighborhood and end up killing an infant makes me hard.

when the fukk did i say i was trying to be hard? when the fukk did i say anything about emptying clips?

i said if i was being robbed, id stand a better chance with a gun


so if you dont think banning guns will make them go away then banning them does nothing since if someone wants a gun, they will get a gun one way or another
 

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It's known breh that many guns are stolen from legal owners who don't lock their stuff up.


He had full amour and a ar 15. no pistol would stop him.
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88m3 is also right to say no one is a criminal until they commit a crime. He bought all his stuff legally

im pretty sure he didnt legally own a ar15
 

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im pretty sure he didnt legally own a ar15


Well you can and he did.

Hell you don't even need a license



when the fukk did i say i was trying to be hard? when the fukk did i say anything about emptying clips?

i said if i was being robbed, id stand a better chance with a gun


so if you dont think banning guns will make them go away then banning them does nothing since if someone wants a gun, they will get a gun one way or another

So what are you going to do with the gun tough guy? Pistol whip him? No you're going to piss your pants and kill a bunch of your neighbors on accident.

They don't treat baby killers well in prison.

If you don't see the correlation between banning/limiting access to guns and limiting murders/shootings you're a fool.
 

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It's known breh that many guns are stolen from legal owners who don't lock their stuff up.


He had full amour and a ar 15. no pistol would stop him.
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88m3 is also right to say no one is a criminal until they commit a crime. He bought all his stuff legally

frontline: hot guns: "How Criminals Get Guns" | PBS

"Stolen guns account for only about 10% to 15% of guns used in crimes."


:snoop: do ya research before speaking on a subject you know nothing about
 

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Well you can and he did.

Hell you don't even need a license

so i can walk to my local gun store and they will sell me a automatic weapon with no licence? :usure:

im pretty sure you need a written statement sayings your allowed to have one,

and im also sure its alot easier to get one on the black market, which would still sell guns if they were banned or not


you make it seem likes its that easy to legally own a gun




again, show me were i said i was a tough guy, have you ever shot a gun?

if a motherfukker notices you have a gun then he is less likely to confront you, i would call out that im armed first of all


and your a fool if you think dudes wont find other ways of getting guns
 

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frontline: hot guns: "How Criminals Get Guns" | PBS

"Stolen guns account for only about 10% to 15% of guns used in crimes."


:snoop: do ya research before speaking on a subject you know nothing about


Do you understand how many 10-15% is?

I'm also sure the numbers higher as well.
Guns stolen from the 70's/80's/90's/00's are probably still in circulation.
In fact, there are a number of sources that allow guns to fall into the wrong hands, with gun thefts at the bottom of the list. Wachtel says one of the most common ways criminals get guns is through straw purchase sales. A straw purchase occurs when someone who may not legally acquire a firearm, or who wants to do so anonymously, has a companion buy it on their behalf. According to a 1994 ATF study on "Sources of Crime Guns in Southern California," many straw purchases are conducted in an openly "suggestive" manner where two people walk into a gun store, one selects a firearm, and then the other uses identification for the purchase and pays for the gun. Or, several underage people walk into a store and an adult with them makes the purchases. Both of these are illegal activities.

The next biggest source of illegal gun transactions where criminals get guns are sales made by legally licensed but corrupt at-home and commercial gun dealers. Several recent reports back up Wachtel's own studies about this, and make the case that illegal activity by those licensed to sell guns, known as Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs), is a huge source of crime guns and greatly surpasses the sale of guns stolen from John Q. Citizen. Like bank robbers, who are interested in banks, gun traffickers are interested in FFLs because that's where the guns are. This is why FFLs are a large source of illegal guns for traffickers, who ultimately wind up selling the guns on the street.

According to a recent ATF report, there is a significant diversion to the illegal gun market from FFLs. The report states that "of the 120,370 crime guns that were traced to purchases from the FFLs then in business, 27.7 % of these firearms were seized by law enforcement in connection with a crime within two years of the original sale. This rapid `time to crime' of a gun purchased from an FFL is a strong indicator that the initial seller or purchaser may have been engaged in unlawful activity."

The report goes on to state that "over-the-counter purchases are not the only means by which guns reach the illegal market from FFLs" and reveals that 23,775 guns have been reported lost, missing or stolen from FFLs since September 13, 1994, when a new law took effect requiring dealers to report gun thefts within 48 hours. This makes the theft of 6,000 guns reported in the CIR/Frontline show "Hot Guns" only 25% of all cases reported to ATF in the past two and one-half years.

Another large source of guns used in crimes are unlicensed street dealers who either get their guns through illegal transactions with licensed dealers, straw purchases, or from gun thefts. These illegal dealers turn around and sell these illegally on the street. An additional way criminals gain access to guns is family and friends, either through sales, theft or as gifts.

While many guns are taken off the street when people are arrested and any firearms in their possession are confiscated, a new study shows how easily arrestees believe they could illegally acquire another firearm. Supported by the National Institute of Justice and based on interviews with those recently arrested, the study acknowledges gun theft is common, with 13 percent of all arrestees interviewed admitting that they had stolen a gun. However a key finding is that "the illegal market is the most likely source" for these people to obtain a gun. "In fact, more than half the arrestees say it is easy to obtain guns illegally," the report states. Responding to a question of how they obtained their most recent handgun, the arrestees answered as follows: 56% said they paid cash; 15% said it was a gift; 10% said they borrowed it; 8% said they traded for it; while 5% only said that they stole it.

ATF officials say that only about 8% of the nation's 124,000 retail gun dealers sell the majority of handguns that are used in crimes. They conclude that these licensed retailers are part of a block of rogue entrepreneurs tempted by the big profits of gun trafficking. Cracking down on these dealers continues to be a priority for the ATF. What's needed, according to Wachtel, is better monitoring of the activities of legally licensed gun dealers. This means examining FFL paperwork to see where their guns are coming from, and making sure that those guns are being sold legally. But he says, "Let's be honest. If someone wants a gun, it's obvious the person will not have difficulty buying a gun, either legally or through the extensive United States black market."


From the article you posted

These are all illegal activities they may not be stolen but were "illegally obtained"
from gun dealers. If guns were banned that closes another outlet.
 

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so i can walk to my local gun store and they will sell me a automatic weapon with no licence? :usure:
im pretty sure you need a written statement sayings your allowed to have one,
and im also sure its alot easier to get one on the black market, which would still sell guns if they were banned or not
you make it seem likes its that easy to legally own a gun
again, show me were i said i was a tough guy, have you ever shot a gun?
and your a fool if you think dudes wont find other ways of getting guns

It was a semi auto, you can walk into any rifle store and buy it. If you're over 18 and have proper identification. If it was a full auto he probably bought a kit and did it himself illegally. You can buy automatic weapons but you have to have written references from people who work in law enforcement, or are in the law enforcement community then it has to be approved by either a sheriff or someone if I remember right for a special permit.

It's incredibly easy to own a rifle wtf are you talking about.
It's a little more difficult to own a handgun due to local laws and permits.

Yes

No ones saying it will be impossible christ you're retarded


You think you're so tough because you can burn clips and don't care about killing your neighbors.

Whatever bro that's on your conscience
 

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Do you understand how many 10-15% is?

I'm also sure the numbers higher as well.
Guns stolen from the 70's/80's/90's/00's are probably still in circulation.



From the article you posted

These are all illegal activities they may not be stolen but were "illegally obtained"
from gun dealers. If guns were banned that closes another outlet.

read the last part of that statement, the part about how if someone wants a gun they will get a gun,


yeah it closes one outlet, but opens another

but you know who wouldnt be able to get a gun?
 

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read the last part of that statement, the part about how if someone wants a gun they will get a gun,


yeah it closes one outlet, but opens another

but you know who wouldnt be able to get a gun?

If there are no longer gun dealers, there is no longer an outlet.
To the public or to criminals extremely limiting public access to pistols/rifles.

What other outlet? OH you're just reaching.
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Will there still be guns YES! Will there be as many NO!

That's a win.
 

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Pos Rep. This is key and its sad. But Mowgli the rich media execs make too much money off it so nothing will change. Everyone will go back to :snooze: and this will happen again.

Of course but a gun ban isnt the answer.
 

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exactly, cause these a$$holes will find them someway or another


kinda like anti drug laws kept america drug free?


Yeah because thousands of metric tons of ammo and guns are getting shipped to the US.


Why don't you read my posts and educate yourself.
 
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