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The lackluster pay was the main reason Americans didn't do those jobs.

Working for $3/hr while trying to support a family is not possible. Now, Americans will be paid a decent wage to do those same jobs. And Americans will likely do a better job to be honest.

:yeshrug:

They'll be working for more than $3/hr.

:yeshrug:
These comments oversimplifies the issue and pushes a myth that's been debunked again and again. The idea that Americans just need "decent wages" to take on backbreaking farm labor ignores decades of evidence showing how farm owners have structured their entire business model around paying as little as possible, avoiding overtime laws, denying benefits, and relying on labor from people who have limited legal recourse if they're exploited. That won't magically change because of deportations or crackdowns.

Look at places where immigration crackdowns have happened, wages haven't significantly gone up. When immigrant labor was pushed out, crops rotted, and local unemployed Americans barely lasted a week in the fields. Why? Because it's not just about pay, it's about the brutal conditions, lack of job security, seasonal gaps in employment, and complete absence of worker protections.

The only way to really fix this is to enforce strong labor protections and safety standards. Provide benefits like health insurance and paid leave. Offer real job stability and full-time employment. Raise wages significantly *and* subsidize housing and transportation for seasonal workers. And finally recognize that many people won't do this work unless it's made as dignified and secure as any other job. I mean, why do this job when you can find something else that pays the same (offers some benefits and protections), but not as labor intensive?

Agribusiness doesn't want to offer all of that though, because they benefit from the exploitation. They want the cheapest possible labor and will resist any systemic change that affects their bottom line.

Saying "Americans will now be paid a decent wage and do a better job" sounds good in theory, but in practice, it's been tried -- and failed -- without serious labor reform.

It's not false, though.


Studies and reports also show that domestic workers are generally less willing to take on the physically demanding and low-wage jobs, especially in sectors like agriculture and food processing.

Here's a survey of farmworker shortages in the US that found that there was a significant decline in the number of domestic workers willing to work in agriculture, which led to an increasing reliance on immigrant labor. Between 2002 and 2014, the U.S. lost over 146,000 farmworkers, and only about 2.7% of that gap was filled by domestic workers. The gap has only widened since:



A study by the Economic Policy Institute highlights that even when employers attempted to hire domestic workers for agricultural roles, they often found a lack of interest in such labor-intensive work:



And in some instances, domestic workers did apply for these positions, but many left shortly after due to the grueling nature of the work:



This pattern is not limited to agriculture, either. It also extends to other physically demanding industries like meat processing. These sectors rely heavily on migrant workers because native workers are often reluctant to take on jobs with long hours, poor conditions, and relatively low pay. I am not arguing for this to continue. I am only highlighting that this is the reality we live in. And that we can't ignore it, if we want to fix it. Remember the story about the chicken processing plants in the south hiring more domestic workers after a migrant crackdown? Well, it was reported soon after that most had quit, because of the grueling work, even though the pay was good.

I think to make those jobs more attractive to domestic workers, it would require a comprehensive approach that tackles several key issues. First, increasing wages is essential, but it should also be accompanied by improved working conditions, including better safety measures, tools, and regular breaks to reduce physical strain. Offering comprehensive benefits like healthcare, paid time off, and retirement plans can also help make these jobs more sustainable for long-term domestic workers. Incorporating *some* automation and assistive technology can be used to reduce the physical demands of these roles as well.

I know this might not seem serious, but fostering a positive image of this work and breaking the stigma that it's "low-class" is crucial for long-term retention too. Changing the public perception of these jobs through education and media campaigns can help combat the stigma that makes them unattractive. This might seem unimportant, but it matters, especially given how vain most Americans are. Improving infrastructure in rural areas where these jobs are located can also help attract workers from urban areas too. All these efforts together can create a more sustainable workforce and reduce reliance on migrant labor. Do Americans have the will to do all this? And accept paying a little more for things? I am.
 

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It's open to Americans right now.

I live in a farming town and they accept anyone.

What I'm saying is do you believe this is achievable with the current administration?

This current administration will pay more wages that what farm workers get now, improve the conditions, and still turn a profit for the farm owners?
I’m getting conflicting messaging then. Some are saying black people are going back to the fields. Some are saying the jobs won’t be done.

I believe it could be achievable in steps, with time. If it’s not achievable then I don’t see what is or what we can stop them from doing in the first place unless the plan is to just scream fukk trump until he can be voted out. I just say try what we can do until that time comes.
 

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I’m getting conflicting messaging then. Some are saying black people are going back to the fields. Some are saying the jobs won’t be done.

I believe it could be achievable in steps, with time. If it’s not achievable then I don’t see what is or what we can stop them from doing in the first place unless the plan is to just scream fukk trump until he can be voted out. I just say try what we can do until that time comes.
What education in agriculture do you have that leads you to believe this is achievable?

I'm literally 20 minutes away from a town called Farmersville.

This is about as achievable as "factory jobs" coming back to America.

These ideas sound great on paper, but we've had too many examples of this administration saying something because they know it sounds like a good idea, but what it actually takes to accomplish is impossible and they know it.

They are reselling the American dream.

This isn't about Trump because if the Biden Administration said they were bringing livable wages to farming jobs I'd be saying the exact same thing.
 

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What education in agriculture do you have that leads you to believe this is achievable?

I'm literally 20 minutes away from a town called Farmersville.

This is about as achievable as "factory jobs" coming back to America.

These ideas sound great on paper, but we've had too many examples of this administration saying something because they know it sounds like a good idea, but what it actually takes to accomplish is impossible and they know it.

They are reselling the American dream.

This isn't about Trump because if the Biden Administration said they were bringing livable wages to farming jobs I'd be saying the exact same thing.
I was raised by farmers and still have them in my family in Mississippi :yeshrug:

If you say it's impossible regardless of the administration then what's your reality? Just have a sector of the economy built more and more on undocumented low wage labor?
 

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The people making these laws...they ever SEEN a person on Medicaid? Like...a group of them?...they can't work in. I damn Field!

I tried to apply for Medicaid as a youngin and that Lady in the phone told me i needed to be a pregnant woman or disabled to qualify....

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Ofcourse, there’s a lot of black people on Medicaid due to the same circumstances that would cause a black person to need a farm job because they can’t find a job anywhere else. I don’t have all the answers, but what I’m not going to do is this weird double talk where I shame a black person for not having a WFH career/being on Medicaid and then laugh at them for having to work a farm job.

“You nikkas with no jobs/on Medicaid who are siding with deportations will be working farm jobs. I mean I know you didn’t have a job in the first place but now you’re doing work I find beneath me even though I thought you were beneath me in the first place.”
Who said the bold part?
 

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I was raised by farmers and still have them in my family in Mississippi :yeshrug:

If you say it's impossible regardless of the administration then what's your reality? Just have a sector of the economy built more and more on undocumented low wage labor?
My reality is to not sell Americans pipe dreams because it sounds good and we're desperate to believe in something.
 

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So folks was too cheap to hire prison labor for the price of 3 meals a day but is paying people $40 /hr with no proof beyond his word. Yeah, that sounds right.:mjlol::mjlol::mjlol:
You conveniently left out the 2 guards per 20 prisoners. If you need 80 workers, you have to pay 8 likely overpaid guards that aren't doing shyt all day.
 

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There were Black folk during the Antebellum era that got wealthy off their skills and grit. I will be fine. In fact, most people will.

I think you all need to stop consuming DNC phallus and go get some p*ssy.




Why is it that you guys can only come up with the most negative scenarios?

How about, people will be paid semi-to-decent wages, will become more class focused and start to vote in politicians that favor policies helping the working class?
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