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Its not a strawman you said he didn't win cause he didn't have help but he had 2 50 win seasons and 2 60 win seasons the other season he made the playoffs in Cleveland they won 45 games, and he was in the East yet only made the Finals once if he's as good as you claim he woulda had AT LEAST 1 ring durin that run the only years he didn't have help were his first 3 seasons and those teams weren't as bad as the Lakers teams Kobe suffered thru most of his prime. You obviously a LeBron dikkrider otherwise you wouldn't be postin titangraphs to me desperately makin futile arguments for him bein better than Kobe when I'm never gonna co-sign that bullshyt, YOU clearly can't handle any argument that destroys YOUR position which is why you writin books bytchin at me in a pointless back and forth.
1) Kobe was able to slow them down and cancel out their scorin wit scorin of his own cause he was superior to them as players, he made their outside shots as difficult as possible but of course you only want to look at inside shots to big up Shaq and discredit Kobe. I wasn't even sayin Kobe a better defender cause Shaq didn't guard them on the perimeter I was sarcastically sayin that to show you how dumb your argument is, you claim and are still claimin Shaq's a better defender cause Kobe didn't guard those guys at the basket which is even more silly since he was just defendin close up shots and not actually guardin them the whole time. Quit bein so literal intentionally playin dumb if Kobe wasn't makin them work on both ends and bringin defense they would drop 60 on the Lakers they all were capable of doin that obviously I'm not sayin it would happen every game but they'd score more than they did, again you are diminishin his role by actin like Shaq didn't play alongside the best player since Jordan which is a huge reason as to why HE got those titles cause as great as he was he wasn't Kobe which thankfully people realize now.
2) Of course you'd consider Duncan to be better than Kobe cause you a hater, that bullshyt about you bein a huge fan was clearly a lie you wouldn't be workin so hard to discredit him usin the same arguments Kobe haters use if you was a fan you just said that to throw people off from seein how much of a Bron slurper you are. The Spurs care that Duncan managed to match him cause that helped them compete/win those games, if a player drops 30 on you and you have a guy at the same position he's defendin thats able to drop 30 too it helps cause not only is he workin on defense slowin down his offense stoppin him from droppin 40 on you but it also equals his scorin total so its as if he didn't drop 30 cause you matched it. You not understandin that shows how dumb you are, it makes perfect sense and is what teams hope for when playin great players you either genuinely stupid or intentionally bein obtuse.
3) Shaq wasn't gettin mauled by big men in the Finals cause the teams in the East ain't have guys like that on their teams, not to mention Shaq is bigger than those dudes so it wouldn't tire him the way it would a normal person and takin 18 foot jumpshots takes alot out of you too especially when you also runnin around chasin guys like AI at the other end of the floor which is my point. You don't want to get into condition differences cause we all know Kobe was in better shape that was the biggest problem Kobe had wit Shaq that he didn't have good conditionin, I already pointed out Shaq's advantage in the finals he didn't have anyone close to his level but Kobe had AI who did hinder him cause he had to defend him and AI was quick as hell and one of the best in the game. AI and T-Mac definitely made his job as a scorer harder cause he had to stick those guys on D as well idiot and they namely T-Mac were better at defendin him than their teammates were, you showin your ignorance thinkin its easy to guard elite scorers for multiple games while puttin up elite numbers on offense at the same time. And Kobe would get doubled too, meanwhile Shaq only had a hard matchup against the Spurs he was head and shoulders better than the other big men in the league while Kobe was goin against elite guards.
4) Centers are more dominant at reboundin than guards dumbass, you bringin that up cause you know its the one category Kobe can't compete in. But you conveniently leave out assists cause Kobe was the leader in those, you can't ignore gettin assists is impact cause it allows your teammates namely the lesser ones to score. You talkin about posin a threat defensively on the inside Jordan and Kobe weren't posin a threat at the glass their inside threats along wit your lover LeBron were offensive, Kobe did have the same level of dominance at attackin the basket he like all great guards got to the rim almost at will but he was such a great shooter he could score from the outside most of the time unlike LeBron who is very inconsistent as a shooter.
And Kobe led the team in scorin that postseason as the graphic showed until the Finals cause the Sixers had no defense for Shaq, while like I pointed out Kobe was busy chasin AI all series usin energy on that end of the floor. The graphic doesn't have an agenda dikkhead it was shown durin one of the games in the playoffs the Finals hadn't happened yet, you tryna say the NBA on NBC only showed it to make Kobe look better
when they were just showin how great both of those legends were playin. The graphic that has you so butthurt does prove somethin it proves Kobe had numbers just as good and even better than Shaq, you can whine and complain all you want but the numbers don't lie you just mad and want to discredit the facts to make Kobe look bad and make LeBron look better. PER isn't even a real stat thats just somethin haters and dikkriders cling to as hard as they cling to their favorite player's nuts when the league doesn't use it, shyt was made up by John Hollinger yet you take that which has no official use over the stats that I dropped which are ACTUAL NBA stats cause one helps your man LeBron while the other helps Kobe obviously the only one spinnin shyt is you.You been workin overtime to discredit that graphic and keep bringin it up so clearly you mad, I ain't in my feelins about you haters sayin Shaq carried him I'm just callin you out on your bullshyt. And in 01 postseason Kobe did have way more assists in those games but whatever, and you haven't established things and just state them without a credible argument as fact yourself so you shouldn't talk. Perfect example you sayin LeBron's 06 Cavs were worse than those shytty Lakers teams yet in 06 those Cavs won 50 games, the numbers prove the Cavs were better but you say otherwise just to prop up LeBron. The Heat had 3 All Stars instead of just 2 and they had role players that were just as good as those Lakers role players, plus the big 3 provided balance they all brought different things to the table the only thing the Lakers had that were better is Shaq and Kobe. I give coaches credit when they deserve it and always big up Phil, I'm sayin no one in here is bringin up coaches right now you just doin it cause you runnin out of arguments.
You the homer tryna say a 50 win team was no support, straight up get LBJ's dikk out ya mouth. The 06 Cavs weren't even his worse team you coulda brought up one of those teams durin his first 3 years, those teams were the only bad ones that you could compare to Kobe's shytty Lakers teams but even then Kobe's teams were worse. Look at you gettin emotional at what I'm sayin demandin me to answer shyt you all up in your little feelins, you say LeBron is this top 10 all time better than Kobe player then make excuses when Wade is hurt. Wade was the Batman if he's hurt of course it limits LeBron which is my point, that Lakers team wit Gasol wasn't as good as the Heat were so thats a dumb comparison the Heat were on 3peat Lakers level or they should've been if LeBron played like Kobe.
You double talkin ramblin and preemptively answerin questions before people point out your bullshyt, you tryna call LeBron Batman and say he Godtier while simultaneously make him a victim cryin about his teammates. It don't work that way dude didn't get it done period, take his junk out ya mouth and drop the excuses stan. The rings matter cause unlike other sports in basketball great players can win games for their team Wade himself said that before, if the team is good enough to make it to the Finals takin a L is on the best player Bron shoulda won that but he didn't. You throwin a hissy fit again tryna discredit former players as if they're the ones that are biased when your LeBron dikkridin ass is the most biased person I've encountered in a long time, their opinions are more valuable cause they have experience in this the only ones that downtalk their opinions are butthurt stans like you who disagree wit the truth they speakin.
Kobe was a lock down defender LeBron was never as good defensively as him cause he couldn't shut anyone down, you slurpers just get caught up in trackdown blocks and the false idea that he can guard all 5 positions even tho he can't. Now right on cue you make another excuse sayin his defense got weak and tryna leave out his last 2 finals performances, bottom line is he let his man get Finals MVP in back to back years yet you talkin bout his defense.
FOH Kobe had defense that was Jordan esque which is another reason for the comparisons, LeBron's D was always overrated and mostly a product of his hype.What you just described are half truths, you pickin and choosin certain situations and games to make LeBron look better while leavin out the games he played like shyt, YOU ignorin the last postseason durin his first Cavs run to push YOUR narrative.
The Tragic Johnson name came from those plays/missed FTs not from his play the whole game, its obvious you deflectin to help out your man LBJ.
If Kobe was in the middle of his prime then he'd still be in his prime today, those were his final prime years just cause he played spectacularly doesn't mean it wasn't the end of his prime he was still in his prime it was just the end. Odom was good but you biggin up a crackhead to downtalk Kobe is hilarious.:michaeljordanlaugh:
1) If you sayin that Magic team were so good then the fact that Kobe swept them while LeBron took a L to them just proves my point.
2) You a LeBron dikkrider that believes alot of bullshyt about him, no reason to think you wouldn't believe that when it gets stated as fact by the media.
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4) Gasol was a great passer and offensive guy that very rarely makes playes on D, as tall as he is he should be better but he didn't do shyt to Dwight like you mentioned Bynum did and as soft as Gasol is Dwight is softer which is why he shrank in the Finals.
5) You playin semantics, you've been basically sayin Kobe got carried. Only you Bron nuthuggers think he had no help, most realize he's had plenty of help and his lack of rings is his fault.
You made a 15,000 word post first dikkhead, you came at me wit a book when I wasn't even talkin to you then got the audacity to act like I'm a hypocrite for callin you out for your novel. I was respondin to all your bullshyt which is why it took so many words, I don't give a fukk if you read it that was 3 days ago anyway but you prolly did read it and just can't refute it so you tappin out.
So you just gonna ignore the dikkridin fakkits who wrote the first titangraphs in here? Since they on your "side" as fellow Kobe haters you sidesteppin their rants and actin like I'm the only one typin alot of words, the only fiction is in the essays they wrote.
you quoted me, but you probably forgot about that because you're out here typing up the sequel to War and Peace.
I never quoted you in here, you confusin me wit someone else cause you so butthurt you can't think straight. There you go again actin like I'm the only one writin long posts when my posts were only long cause I was respondin to their books, now you tryna deflect onto my avi Patriots and Lakers play 2 different sports and LA has no football team so thats a dumb question.
I seen your Kobe hatin ass lurkin dappin up posts that were shyttin on him and knew you'd jump in at some point.