Skip Bayless Gets Caught Up In a Lie
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G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman
Logic Is Absent Wherever Hate Is Present
Damn, I missed it.
ItWasWritten
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How is Jason Kidd "washed up" when he made the All Star roster that year, in the "superior" Western Conference too?
And you didn't even mention Jason Terry, who was a 20ppg scorer just one year earlier.
The 1998 Utah Jazz were so thin that they started Adam Keefe and Greg Foster TOGETHER for most of the regular season.
No way in hell that Adam Keefe or Greg Foster would even make the 2011 Mavs roster, and they were both STARTING for the 1998 Jazz.
In the Finals the Jazz had Bryon Russell and either Keefe, Foster, or Ostertag STARTING every game.
And yes, Jason Kidd was old, but at least he was 6'4" and only being asked to be the #6 scorer. 1998 Stockton was old too, only 6'1", less athletic and inferior to 2011 Kidd in every way....and he was Utah's #3 scorer.
And you had 34yo Jeff Hornacek averaging 10.7ppg in the Finals as the #2 scorer and primary defender on Jordan.
Prime Jason Terry >> old Hornacek
Tyson Chandler >>>>> Greg Ostertag or Greg Foster
Shawn Marion >> Byron Russell
Old Kidd > old Stockton
J.J. Barea > Shandon Anderson or Howard Eisley
Deshawn Stevenson >> Adam Keefe or old Chris Morris
Rick Carlisle > Jerry Sloan
The 2011 Mavs were superior to the 1998 Jazz at literally every position except power forward. And 32yo Dirk was just as good on the offensive end as 34yo Malone, Malone only has him beat because of his superior defense (which didn't matter to the Mavs because Dirk had Tyson Chandler behind him, not Greg Foster).
FIVE of those guys you named played less than 5 minutes a game in the Finals.
The only journeyman in the actual Finals rotation was Stevenson. Jason Terry was damn near a 20,000 point career scorer who had only played for the Hawks and Mavs, and put up 15+ppg seasons eleven times for those teams. He wasn't no journeyman, he was a solid #2 scorer.
We just going to forget that Terry had just averaged 20-4-4 on 58% shooting against Kobe (who only had 23-3-3 on 46% shooting), and burned him for 32 in the deciding Game 4 blowout while 32yo Kobe limped to 17-3-1 on 7-18 shooting?
Yup. It was a perfectly balanced team, where everyone had just 1-2 roles to do and did them perfectly.
Dirk was the primary scorer, a go-to guy with a reliable shot that was extraordinarily difficult to defend.
Jason Terry was the microwave secondary scorer, the go-to bailout guy to keep the pressure off Dirk.
Jason Kidd was the ballhandler, distributor and team leader.
Tyson Chandler was the rim protector and primary rebounder.
Shawn Marion was the primary perimeter defender, secondary rebounder, and provided a third scoring option.
J.J. Barea was the change-of-pace backup ballhandler and driver.
DeShawn Stevenson was the secondary perimeter defender and spread the floor on offence.
And Rick Carlisle was a vet coach who ran the most innovative zone defense in the NBA that year.
The Mavs had three guys who could create their own shot, three guys who could create shots for others, five guys who could hit the three, four guys who were elite rebounders at their position, three strong perimeter defenders, and one of the best rim protectors in the entire NBA. They destroyed the defending champ Lakers in a sweep, only lost one game against the Durant/Westbrook/Harden/Ibaka Thunder, and came up with the perfect scheme for dealing with Lebron and the Heat. They are probably the most underrated champs in our era.
Any haters who want to doubt that, prove me wrong. Ya'all don't have any arguments other than lies, so you got to deflect from this all the time. If the Mavs weren't great, then how did they beat the Lakers and the Thunder so easily?
Good team...
Shouldn't have beat the Heat though
Lord_Chief_Rocka
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Ninjas still turning every team that beats Bron into all time greats
Fox News brehs
The biggest issue was the lack of shooting. Lebron couldn't shoot well enough to beat the scheme that the Mavs devised for him, and the Heat didn't have enough outside shooting in general to beat the zone. Their starting guards were 12-40 from three for the series and they didn't have a stretch four who could hit the three at all.
But you're right that they could have still beat the Mavs. The main issue was coaching and scheme. They shouldn't have been playing Bibby at the 1, they shouldn't have been playing Joel Anthony at the 5, and they should have been running plays with movement that outsmarted the Dallas schemes that were shutting off the passing lanes inside. As it was, they were pretty much limited to Lebron trying to set up midrange jumpers for the forwards and Wade scoring in isolation, and that wasn't enough. Whether you place those strategic failings on Spolstra or Lebron is your choice.
It's been a decade since anyone other than a great title team beat Lebron.Ninjas still turning every team that beats Bron into all time greats
The Mavs team we're talking about swept the 2010 champs in 4, beat the 2012 champs in 6, and kicked the ass of the 2012 Western Conference champs in 5. They took out not just James/Wade/Bosh, but Durant/Westbrook/Harden/Ibaka and Kobe/Gasol/Odom/Bynum too, and easily. They went 16-5 in those playoffs against one of the biggest collection of good teams that anyone has had to face in recent memory.
How are they not a great team?
ItWasWritten
Superstar
The biggest issue was the lack of shooting. Lebron couldn't shoot well enough to beat the scheme that the Mavs devised for him, and the Heat didn't have enough outside shooting in general to beat the zone. Their starting guards were 12-40 from three for the series and they didn't have a stretch four who could hit the three at all.
But you're right that they could have still beat the Mavs. The main issue was coaching and scheme. They shouldn't have been playing Bibby at the 1, they shouldn't have been playing Joel Anthony at the 5, and they should have been running plays with movement that outsmarted the Dallas schemes that were shutting off the passing lanes inside. As it was, they were pretty much limited to Lebron trying to set up midrange jumpers for the forwards and Wade scoring in isolation, and that wasn't enough. Whether you place those strategic failings on Spolstra or Lebron is your choice.
It's been a decade since anyone other than a great title team beat Lebron.
The Mavs team we're talking about swept the 2010 champs in 4, beat the 2012 champs in 6, and kicked the ass of the 2012 Western Conference champs in 5. They took out not just James/Wade/Bosh, but Durant/Westbrook/Harden/Ibaka and Kobe/Gasol/Odom/Bynum too, and easily. They went 16-5 in those playoffs against one of the biggest collection of good teams that anyone has had to face in recent memory.
How are they not a great team?
Nobody can stop LeBron breh
I've come to the realization that he threw that series.
Lord_Chief_Rocka
Superstar
The 2011 mavs were not a great teamThe biggest issue was the lack of shooting. Lebron couldn't shoot well enough to beat the scheme that the Mavs devised for him, and the Heat didn't have enough outside shooting in general to beat the zone. Their starting guards were 12-40 from three for the series and they didn't have a stretch four who could hit the three at all.
But you're right that they could have still beat the Mavs. The main issue was coaching and scheme. They shouldn't have been playing Bibby at the 1, they shouldn't have been playing Joel Anthony at the 5, and they should have been running plays with movement that outsmarted the Dallas schemes that were shutting off the passing lanes inside. As it was, they were pretty much limited to Lebron trying to set up midrange jumpers for the forwards and Wade scoring in isolation, and that wasn't enough. Whether you place those strategic failings on Spolstra or Lebron is your choice.
It's been a decade since anyone other than a great title team beat Lebron.
The Mavs team we're talking about swept the 2010 champs in 4, beat the 2012 champs in 6, and kicked the ass of the 2012 Western Conference champs in 5. They took out not just James/Wade/Bosh, but Durant/Westbrook/Harden/Ibaka and Kobe/Gasol/Odom/Bynum too, and easily. They went 16-5 in those playoffs against one of the biggest collection of good teams that anyone has had to face in recent memory.
How are they not a great team?
Y’all peasants are pathetic man
YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy
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Even in one of the GOAT performances of our lifetime the announcers were saying Mike was tired, why does Skip do this
1:57-2:20 then skip to 4:05-4:20
Lol @ 10:50 mj holding the side of rodmans face with one hand, giving him a pep talk then slapping him in the face
GOAT LEADER
GOAT.
PERIOD.
Even in one of the GOAT performances of our lifetime the announcers were saying Mike was tired, why does Skip do this
1:57-2:20 then skip to 4:05-4:20
He was 35 in this game. Even if he was tired, he still dropped 45 and more importantly was clutch both offensively and defensively. Layup, steal against Malone, the shot, game over.
No passes to a George Hill hoping for a miracle
MJ=GOAT
The 2011 mavs were not a great team
Y’all peasants are pathetic man
Yet ya'all can't come up with an argument why not.
Did they or did they not SWEEP the back-to-back defending champs, destroying them 122-86 in the final game?
Did they or did they not come back from 2-1 down to completely demoralize the team that would pull the next two titles, polishing them off with three straight wins?
Did they or did they not take care of the other best team in the NBA, beating the Durant/Westbrook/Harden/Ibaka Thunder in just 5 games?
The Heat had just killed the Celtics and the Bulls, the Thunder had beaten up the Spurs, the Lakers were the back-to-back defending champs and brought back everyone...and NONE of those teams could handle the Mavs at all.
What else COULD they have done to be considered a great team? They beat EVERY champ from 2009-2013, they ran through the toughest three team stretch of any champion in the last decade at least, and they only lost three games in the process. What else could they do?
Ya'all are the social media generation of fans, don't know nothing but marketable heroes and ESPN narratives. Too dumb to realize that basketball is a team game and too blind to see the actual results on the court even when a team annihilates everyone in their path.
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