Slavery was Capitalism's best friend

[rapbeats]

yall still think its a game

Oil companies have been known to exploit prison labor as well. Following the explosion of the Deepwater Horizon rig that killed 11 workers and irreparably damaged the Gulf of Mexico for generations to come, BP elected to hire Louisiana prison inmates to clean up its mess. Louisiana has the highest incarceration rate of any state in the nation, 70 percent of which are African-American men. Coastal residents desperate for work, whose livelihoods had been destroyed by BP’s negligence, were outraged at BP’s use of free prison labor.


In the Nation article that exposed BP’s hiring of inmates, Abe Louise Young details how BP tried to cover up its use of prisoners by changing the inmates' clothing to give the illusion of civilian workers. But nine out of 10 residents of Grand Isle, Louisiana are white, while the cleanup workers were almost exclusively black, so BP’s ruse fooled very few people.

so we can tie it all in...

Louisiana has the highest incarceration rate in the country. It also has one of the highest rates of exonerations.

The ACLU has filed a class action federal lawsuit on behalf of suspects who can’t afford their own lawyers. Esman says they have a constitutional right to legal representation.

“That’s why we have what’s supposed to be a robust system of public defenders throughout this country is to make sure that before the government can take away your liberty and lock you away, you have a lawyer to defend you,” she says.

This is from an article/story titled
Need A Public Defender In New Orleans? Get In Line

Need A Public Defender In New Orleans? Get In Line

^^again, this aint a game. this aint chess. they've been playing checkers with our lives since they drug us across that water.

 

[rapbeats]

Negros come back from their freshman year of Liberal Arts studies with a Che Guevara shirt thinking Karl Marx gave a damn about us

who are yall talking to? no one in here said anything about "lets choose system B, because system A aint working." We're having a discussion about System A. anything else you bring to the table on system B-Z is you arguing with yourself.

 

[JahFocus CS]

Negros come back from their freshman year of Liberal Arts studies with a Che Guevara shirt thinking Karl Marx gave a damn about us

It is incredibly disingenuous that you keep trying to paint Marx or the left as being racist or at best passive supporters of racism when I provided textual, theoretical, historical, and actual present-day examples to the contrary several times in the past.

The political Left is not limited to cacs, and perhaps it needs to be stated that not all white people are bad ( maybe this won't be as controversial of a statement in HL as it would be in the Root or TLR. Then again... ).

Also, @rapbeats, @DEAD7 has argued that slavery is morally defensible in the past, so to say "slavery was/is capitalism's best friend" doesn't mean anything to him

 

[rapbeats]

again, i see these replies. and some of yall still dont get it.

so lets keep going. same article folks. i know yall havent read it all. its long as hell.

Private companies have long understood that prison labor can be as profitable as sweatshop workers in third-world countries with the added benefit of staying closer to home. Take Escod Industries, which in in the 1990s abandoned plans to open operations in Mexico and instead "moved to South Carolina, because the wages of American prisoners undercut those of de-unionized Mexican sweatshop workers," reports Josh Levine in a 1999 article that appeared in Perpective Magazine. The move was fueled by the state, which gave a $250,000 "equipment subsidy" to Escod along with industrial space at below-market rent. Other examples listed by Gordon Lafer in the American Prospect include Ohio's Honda supplier, which "pays its prison workers $2 an hour for the same work for which the UAW has fought for decades to be paid $20 to $30 an hour. Konica, which has hired prisoners to repair its copiers for less than 50 cents an hour. And in Oregon, where private companies can “lease” prisoners at a bargain price of $3 a day."





Even politicians have been known to tap into prison labor for their own personal use. In 1994, a contractor for GOP congressional candidate Jack Metcalf hired Washington state prisoners to call and remind voters he was pro-death penalty.
After winning his campaign, he claimed to have no knowledge of the scandal. Perhaps this is why Senator John Ensign (R-NV) introduced a bill earlier this year to "require all low-security prisoners to work 50 hours a week." After all, The New York Times reminds us that "creating a national prison labor force has been a goal of his since he went to Congress in 1995."



In an unsettling turn of events lawmakers have begun ditching public employees in favor of free prison labor. The New York Times recently reported that states are "enlisting prison labor to close budget gaps" to offset cuts in "federal financing and dwindling tax revenue." At a time of record unemployment, inmates are being hired to "paint vehicles, clean courthouses, sweep campsites and perform many other services done before the recession by private contractors or government employees." In Wisconsin, prisoners are now taking up jobs that were once held by unionized workers, as a result of Governor Scott Walker’s contentious anti-union law.

straight

while the rest of us are still playing:

 

[MajorVitaman]

who are yall talking to? no one in here said anything about "lets choose system B, because system A aint working." We're having a discussion about System A. anything else you bring to the table on system B-Z is you arguing with yourself.

I'm just talking in general about nikkas I've come across who get a couple years of school in, and come back home on some "we need communism" tip. Then when you ask them to point to any example of communism working successfully they get all upset lol. I see this on this forum sometimes too.

I don't think we need a mega capitalist system, that's just as bad. Socialist policies need to be infused to keep capitalism in check.

How can we improve system A then? How can we succeed in system A with white supremacy obviously a big factor in our success?

@JahFocus CS I'm not trynna paint the left as any more racist then the right. Frankly I don't trust either side for anything cause they've both proven over and over again to be obsessed with enslavement, war mongering and genocide. I'm just trying to be realistic in succeeding and building our community in this current system the best I can.

 

[JahFocus CS]

@JahFocus CS I'm not trynna paint the left as any more racist then the right. Frankly I don't trust either side for anything cause they've both proven over and over again to be obsessed with enslavement, war mongering and genocide. I'm just trying to be realistic in succeeding and building our community in this current system the best I can.

Breh, I think you ought to travel to some countries in Africa where there are basically no cacs and observe the social dynamics in those societies.

Race isn't everything. Not even close.

 

[MajorVitaman]

Breh, I think you ought to travel to some countries in Africa where there are basically no cacs and observe the social dynamics in those societies.

Race isn't everything. Not even close.

I plan on it in the future, which countries specifically?

 

[rapbeats]

I'm just talking in general about nikkas I've come across who get a couple years of school in, and come back home on some "we need communism" tip. Then when you ask them to point to any example of communism working successfully they get all upset lol. I see this on this forum sometimes too.

I don't think we need a mega capitalist system, that's just as bad. Socialist policies need to be infused to keep capitalism in check.

How can we improve system A then? How can we succeed in system A with white supremacy obviously a big factor in our success?

@JahFocus CS I'm not trynna paint the left as any more racist then the right. Frankly I don't trust either side for anything cause they've both proven over and over again to be obsessed with enslavement, war mongering and genocide. I'm just trying to be realistic in succeeding and building our community in this current system the best I can.

this happens with all kids who go to college. thats the beauty of college. you really think you know ish when you come out of there or do a few years. but you really have only a slight idea of how things work. and you're not old enough to see these theories that you like on paper in practice to see what has worked and what hasnt.

depending on the professor/school/country you went to school in, they will glorify one over the other. very rarely do you get a situation where all theories are put on the table without bias to study and find out whats the best thing to role with.


What i'm pointing out is also a glitch in the matrix. OR a glitch in the theory of the matrix. people like capitalism because of what they have seen at the end or the result after it was all said and done.. BAM AMERICA or BAM Western Countries that are more of a capitalistic society. and you see how well they are doing vs everyone else and you say "hell yeah i'm rolling with the Big C." But reality is its more complicated then that. And then it gets real...Oh wait...so you saying capitalism would've never provided this much wealth for any one nation without these ridiculous violations of humanity.Without this over the top evil/unethical way of doing business. Well dang... maybe capitalism isnt the winning formula i thought it was. it just SEEMS that way when you tally up the numbers in the end as if YOU the person are not affected by it. as if you can look at these systems in a lab as if you're not one of the hamsters in the maze.

Its the equivalent of saying you like Tony Montana if you only saw te part where he got rich. but you never really noticed all the people he had to beat up, and kill along the way. It's the hood kid loving the dope dealer that rides thru shining rims and chains with the hot ladies. but you dont realize the reason you cant play ball in the park mid day anymore is because he was shooting up other young dudes to get that area locked down for his sells. you missed all of that. so you can only fall in love with the end result.

 

[MajorVitaman]

this happens with all kids who go to college. thats the beauty of college. you really think you know ish when you come out of there or do a few years. but you really have only a slight idea of how things work. and you're not old enough to see these theories that you like on paper in practice to see what has worked and what hasnt.

depending on the professor/school/country you went to school in, they will glorify one over the other. very rarely do you get a situation where all theories are put on the table without bias to study and find out whats the best thing to role with.


What i'm pointing out is also a glitch in the matrix. OR a glitch in the theory of the matrix. people like capitalism because of what they have seen at the end or the result after it was all said and done.. BAM AMERICA or BAM Western Countries that are more of a capitalistic society. and you see how well they are doing vs everyone else and you say "hell yeah i'm rolling with the Big C." But reality is its more complicated then that. And then it gets real...Oh wait...so you saying capitalism would've never provided this much wealth for any one nation without these ridiculous violations of humanity.Without this over the top evil/unethical way of doing business. Well dang... maybe capitalism isnt the winning formula i thought it was. it just SEEMS that way when you tally up the numbers in the end as if YOU the person are not affected by it. as if you can look at these systems in a lab as if you're not one of the hamsters in the maze.

Its the equivalent of saying you like Tony Montana if you only saw te part where he got rich. but you never really noticed all the people he had to beat up, and kill along the way. It's the hood kid loving the dope dealer that rides thru shining rims and chains with the hot ladies. but you dont realize the reason you cant play ball in the park mid day anymore is because he was shooting up other young dudes to get that area locked down for his sells. you missed all of that. so you can only fall in love with the end result.

What's the alternative?

 

[rapbeats]

Breh, I think you ought to travel to some countries in Africa where there are basically no cacs and observe the social dynamics in those societies.

Race isn't everything. Not even close.

which countries are these that cacs havent messed with thru colonization in some form or fashion? I'll wait.

where they are not indebted to the world bank on some nonsense like haiti.

 

[JahFocus CS]

I plan on it in the future, which countries specifically?

Any, my point is that cacs are not the wellspring of oppression. You will find horrible exploitation in countries around the world, even where cacs are not present. That's a feature of class society. Racism is inextricably bound up with capitalism, and is a tool used to maintain it.

Whether your boss has no melanin or a lot of melanin, or a name from your language or a different language, means little when it comes to a worker toiling, creating wealth that mostly goes to the ruling class while he or she only gets a pittance. And the ruling class loves it when the masses of people focus on the melanin, or the language, instead of their actual material concerns.

If all you want is for Afrikans to be less injured by racism, and less on the receiving end of those blows, maybe you can fight tooth and nail and maybe something resembling that can occur within the context of White supremacy and the current global political economy. That is not the same thing as freedom for the masses of Afrikans though.

 

[rapbeats]

What's the alternative?

seems to me we have to come up with our own. the same way someone came up with capitalism, socialism, communism. there's room for another ...ism. lol. Do i know what that is right off top?NOPE. would i be willing to bet we could come up with something better? yep. but now Better is subjective. I didnt say better at making the bottom line $$$$$. the question starts first is. whats this new systems Bottom LINE. what do we want to accomplish? GET MONEY? what? BE happy(a very nice work life balance?). a shot for everyone to make it BIG or into the middle class? a shot for a few to make it big with the illusion of everyone can make it big? The bottom line has to be established first.

 

[MajorVitaman]

Any, my point is that cacs are not the wellspring of oppression. You will find horrible exploitation in countries around the world, even where cacs are not present. That's a feature of class society. Racism is inextricably bound up with capitalism, and is a tool used to maintain it.

Whether your boss has no melanin or a lot of melanin, or a name from your language or a different language, means little when it comes to a worker toiling, creating wealth that mostly goes to the ruling class while he or she only gets a pittance. And the ruling class loves it when the masses of people focus on the melanin, or the language, instead of their actual material concerns.

If all you want is for Afrikans to be less injured by racism, and less on the receiving end of those blows, maybe you can fight tooth and nail and maybe something resembling that can occur within the context of White supremacy and the current global political economy. That is not the same thing as freedom for the masses of Afrikans though.

Which countries specifically?

What's the alternative?

 

[JahFocus CS]

which countries are these that cacs havent messed with thru colonization in some form or fashion? I'll wait.

where they are not indebted to the world bank on some nonsense like haiti.

None. I agree. But is that evidence that Afrikans do not oppress other Afrikans without cac intervention?

 

[rapbeats]

Any, my point is that cacs are not the wellspring of oppression. You will find horrible exploitation in countries around the world, even where cacs are not present. That's a feature of class society. Racism is inextricably bound up with capitalism, and is a tool used to maintain it.

Whether your boss has no melanin or a lot of melanin, or a name from your language or a different language, means little when it comes to a worker toiling, creating wealth that mostly goes to the ruling class while he or she only gets a pittance. And the ruling class loves it when the masses of people focus on the melanin, or the language, instead of their actual material concerns.

If all you want is for Afrikans to be less injured by racism, and less on the receiving end of those blows, maybe you can fight tooth and nail and maybe something resembling that can occur within the context of White supremacy and the current global political economy. That is not the same thing as freedom for the masses of Afrikans though.

i can agree with this. that is the end game.

First broke white folks need to come off that cism. then we can chop it up and make moves as a mass group. but thats a US thing and possibly some other western countries where there are a lot of whites and people of color living together. places where the same color people are living together and not many others. then yes its obvious. the masses that are being oppressed need to ban together on a common goal .but this goes to my above reply post when i said we first need to find out what the BOTTOM line is for our new system before we can build a new system. Then we can ride with that as our cause.