[Sm4sh] I haven't seen a good Ryu player yet. smh
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Phillyrider807
My Soundtrack is the second “Carter”
And i like smash
Im always down to prove people wrong.
What fighter u think is the deepest?(This will let me know if your even worth debating with)
Heres how I list em breh
Im gonna be going by the most recent installment for each major/known fighter
From most to least deepest
1. VF5 FS
2. KOF 13
3. Tekken Tag Tournament 2
4.Street Fighter 4
5.Soul Calibur 5
6. SMash 4
7.Mortal Kombat
ANy games i left out iis cuz I never rlly delved deep into em or im forgetting em
Theres a lack of air dasher games and the infamous MVC series simply cuz I never played MVC like that and never played air dashers in tournament setting
But ya thats my list breh
Black Cac
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describe ya issue with that list? U think Tekken tag not deep?
or u think smash not deeper than MK?
The second issue is understandable but the first?
Shofu used him pretty well here.
Phillyrider807
My Soundtrack is the second “Carter”
I can fukk with that list!
Guilty Gear is deeper then KoF and Tekken though. Marvel is up there as well but you already said u dont have experience with that game!When i said smash was deeper then 90% of the fgc. I meant as a series as a whole. Not just smash 4. Smash 4 is the simplest of all of them.
The thing about smash compared to other fighters is the mechanics of the games allows u alot more freedom then standard 2d/3d fighters. You get thrown? You control the trajectory of the throw. You get popped up in the air? You can control if u go left/right straight up etc. Thrown to the ground? Do u stay there? Do u tech roll back or forward? Do u do nothing? All these options are available to you at any given scenario. Thats why when people DO land crazy combos it's even crazier then people give it credit for. Every other fighter combos comes down to just muscle memory. In smash you literally have to read what your opponent is going to do after initial contact and then respond accordingly.
Speaking of "tech skill" Melee is far more demanding then alot of fighters. Only other one i can think that's as strict is Guilty Gear.
Why do u think you NEVER see any FGC players do good in smash? Yet you see quite a few smashers make waves in the fgc??
Now as far as Smash 4 goes. Like i said it's the simplest in the series. But even so you can still see the "limited" technical aspect of the game is greater then most fighters out. Spacing is a HUGE part of smash. Street fighter is known for it's "footsies" Now in smash you have to "space" against air moves /dash canceled throws/pivot throws/ along with timing your recovery correctly so you don't get punished on the way back. The "Air Game" in smash 4 is the deepest it's ever been simply because you can no longer ledge stall. So now you have to go out and "risk getting damaged yourself" just to secure the kill.
Plus there's "Rage" (Which i fukking hate but it's there) So you get rewarded for living longer. Which again comes down to knowing how to correctly use DI(Directional Infulence) When u get hit so u can last longer.
Not to mention there's a ENTIRE metagame in itself on the stages u play on. Different stages caters to different playstyles. Fast and combo heavy? You'll want a stage with platforms to trap them on. Big characters that hit hard but slow mobility? They'll probably want a stage with small blast zones so they can kill early and the other character can't effectively run from then like they can on a bigger stage. Ranged characters?? Flat stages with nothing interrupting their projectile game.
TLDR-Standard fighters have standard muscle memory combos and a life bar. Smash has reactionary options for every encounter in the game. A move that would kill you a "better" player will survive and tack on a extra 30-40% before they finally die. In other games a fireball does the same percent to everyone no matter how "good" you are.
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I can fukk with that list!
When i said smash was deeper then 90% of the fgc. I meant as a series as a whole. Not just smash 4. Smash 4 is the simplest of all of them.
The thing about smash compared to other fighters is the mechanics of the games allows u alot more freedom then standard 2d/3d fighters. You get thrown? You control the trajectory of the throw. You get popped up in the air? You can control if u go left/right straight up etc. Thrown to the ground? Do u stay there? Do u tech roll back or forward? Do u do nothing? All these options are available to you at any given scenario. Thats why when people DO land crazy combos it's even crazier then people give it credit for. Every other fighter combos comes down to just muscle memory. In smash you literally have to read what your opponent is going to do after initial contact and then respond accordingly.
Speaking of "tech skill" Melee is far more demanding then alot of fighters. Only other one i can think that's as strict is Guilty Gear.
Why do u think you NEVER see any FGC players do good in smash? Yet you see quite a few smashers make waves in the fgc??
Now as far as Smash 4 goes. Like i said it's the simplest in the series. But even so you can still see the "limited" technical aspect of the game is greater then most fighters out. Spacing is a HUGE part of smash. Street fighter is known for it's "footsies" Now in smash you have to "space" against air moves /dash canceled throws/pivot throws/ along with timing your recovery correctly so you don't get punished on the way back. The "Air Game" in smash 4 is the deepest it's ever been simply because you can no longer ledge stall. So now you have to go out and "risk getting damaged yourself" just to secure the kill.
Plus there's "Rage" (Which i fukking hate but it's there) So you get rewarded for living longer. Which again comes down to knowing how to correctly use DI(Directional Infulence) When u get hit so u can last longer.
Not to mention there's a ENTIRE metagame in itself on the stages u play on. Different stages caters to different playstyles. Fast and combo heavy? You'll want a stage with platforms to trap them on. Big characters that hit hard but slow mobility? They'll probably want a stage with small blast zones so they can kill early and the other character can't effectively run from then like they can on a bigger stage. Ranged characters?? Flat stages with nothing interrupting their projectile game.
TLDR-Standard fighters have standard muscle memory combos and a life bar. Smash has reactionary options for every encounter in the game. A move that would kill you a "better" player will survive and tack on a extra 30-40% before they finally die. In other games a fireball does the same percent to everyone no matter how "good" you are.
Trust me I'll be the last person to argue against Melee's depth
That game is one of the more technical games
however I cannot give that same nod to Smash 4..Im sorry
Essentially Smash 4. like brawl suffers the same curse the DOA series is known or
A horrible balance of offensive/defensive options
What made melee so good was that even though the offensive/defensive aspects of the game werent completely balanced it was way more balanced than smash 4
Things like crouch cancelling, smash di, di, etc. were great defensive tools that had a good take on risk reward
Imo honestly Smash 4 has it fcked up which keeps it from being regarded as good as other fighters for me...
The speed that shield recovers
The pacing of the game that favors defense over offense
Rolling having ridiculously low recovery frames while being fast as hell
among many things
Im not too good in going into detail about the technicalities of a fighter but I tried lolz
I don't like Ryu vs Ryu, because I feel like it doesn't represent smash enough. I want to see smash cast vs Ryu. Mainly Sheiks, Foxs, Diddys (nerfed), etc. Those are the ones I think Ryu would have trouble against. Speed.
However, those last couple of matches were pretty dope.
I like how he didn't use shoryuken so much. He also was playing people who didn't know how to throw. He was shielding EVERYTHING. Good stuff, tho.
Black Cac
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I can't play now cause I'm bout to leave for work, but add me and we can play whenever. My Nintendo i.d is HaStylez
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Black Cac
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Ryu is fukking annoying. We can play anytime during the morning/day. I work nights. Unless im off then we can play late
@Black Jack matches?