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Smokey Robinson Resents Being Called African American
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You from Crenshaw Mafia.
Your saying this like all you 2 Billy WAs are gonna be united front or somethingSub Sahara population gonna be 2 Billy by 2050, ados / fba gonna have to bend the knee
just you Nigerians can't lock hands and sing kumbaya, and yall think all you together is gonna be on the same tune?
Laidbackman
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Not to keep this thread of topic, at the 3:58 mark below, Smokey backs up what I said in a thread a few months ago, when I said today you would have thought the "Amos and Andy Show" was about Black people joking around while picking cotton, and eating watermelon, which had me thinking that's what got it taken off the air. In reality, at one time there actually were Black people on tv doing things like that in comedies. It was sad seeing those old documentaries. But like I said, "Amos and Andy" wasn't one of them, unlike what I once thought. I also mentioned that when I was a child, and although I don't remember the show when it was running, we were proud to hear that either Amos or Andy was our cousin. Even though I later learned that we were kin to one of the other characters on the show, who was Jester Hairston, who later played Rolly Forbes in "Amen", who actually wrote the song "Amen". But somewhere between the time I went to high school and the time I went to college, the show became known as a Black eye to the Black community. When I finally got enough courage to watch a few reruns on you-tube a few years ago, I saw nothing all that much wrong with the show, other than the way they talked, and the bulged-eyed look here and there when one of them got surprised, which still never went anywhere on the big screen. If you don't believe me, watch some of Chris Tuckers roles, and he ain't the only one by far. Anyway, again check out the 3:58 mark, although it was only one sentence. Yes, I do remember Smokey making this speech, and that's part of the reason I knew the show wasn't exactly the worst comedy show in the world for us. I also heard someone saying positive things earlier about the show, as a guest on this long time Black Talk Radio show based in DC (1450 WOL). That person didn't grow up seeing the show either, and he was explaining how surprised he was to learn that Amos and Andy were actually two Black businessmen doing pretty good. And before that, I remember Bill Cosby talking about the show during a tv interview in the 80's. He said "Amos and Andy" was the modern day "Sanford and Son". That surprised me, because that was the first time I ever heard anything positive about the show, since it got the bad reputation. But then he turned around and bashed the show in the same interview. It figures, coming from Bill. It didn't make any sense, unless he was trying to indirectly bash "Sanford and Son" too. But anyway, there's one thing Smokey probably wasn't 100% correct about when he brought up "Amos and Andy". And that's when he said a lot of up coming Black comedians didn't get paid because of the cancellation of the show. But he was probably talking about right at the time it was canceled. Because later, the show actually paved the way for future Black comedy sitcoms, especially "Sanford and Son".
Before I leave this alone, I want to mention something a little touchy. I grew kinda close to this brother on my security guard job. He and a few other co-workers use to come over and watch the fights. Anyway, it turned out he went to school with a few of my family members in DC, very, very close family members at that. They all played sports together, but this buddy won a track scholarship. I would have never known he was that fast on his feet. Anyway, he is the only one I can remember off bat, that I told I was kin to one of the "Amos and Andy" crew. I had already saw that interview where Cosby said it was the modern day "Sanford and Son". So I already knew the show couldn't have been as bad to the Black community as what was passed down to us. But this friend of mine surprised me when he got offended, mind you we were in our early 30's by now. That's what happens when you act off of emotion, and don't do your own research. Anyway, this may be a little late, but I didn't know Jester Hairston was my cousin until only a few years ago from our family website, years after he passed in 2000. Before that, I only understood that one of the crew in "The Amos and Andy Show" was our cousin. I can't remember, but I think our family website had introduced him as the old character who played Rolly Forbes on "Amen". Then I searched a memorial on him. That's when i learned he was the cousin that played the character in "Amos and Andy". So It took me all these years to find out which character my cousin was. If it weren't for the internet, I guess I still wouldn't have known. A lot of my cousins probably still don't know. So Jester Hairston (aka Rolly Forbes on "Amen", and aka Henry Van Porter on "Amos and Andy"), was the cousin I use to hear about that stopped by a few times to visit our grandparents in DC, my grandmother in particular, who grew up with him. They were very close in age. They were correct in the write-up on him, where it mentioned he believed in keeping in touch with family.
To end it like Smokey in the video," Yeah, I said it".
I'm going to follow up shortly with something else a little heavy, but it will be more related to the original topic.
Before I leave this alone, I want to mention something a little touchy. I grew kinda close to this brother on my security guard job. He and a few other co-workers use to come over and watch the fights. Anyway, it turned out he went to school with a few of my family members in DC, very, very close family members at that. They all played sports together, but this buddy won a track scholarship. I would have never known he was that fast on his feet. Anyway, he is the only one I can remember off bat, that I told I was kin to one of the "Amos and Andy" crew. I had already saw that interview where Cosby said it was the modern day "Sanford and Son". So I already knew the show couldn't have been as bad to the Black community as what was passed down to us. But this friend of mine surprised me when he got offended, mind you we were in our early 30's by now. That's what happens when you act off of emotion, and don't do your own research. Anyway, this may be a little late, but I didn't know Jester Hairston was my cousin until only a few years ago from our family website, years after he passed in 2000. Before that, I only understood that one of the crew in "The Amos and Andy Show" was our cousin. I can't remember, but I think our family website had introduced him as the old character who played Rolly Forbes on "Amen". Then I searched a memorial on him. That's when i learned he was the cousin that played the character in "Amos and Andy". So It took me all these years to find out which character my cousin was. If it weren't for the internet, I guess I still wouldn't have known. A lot of my cousins probably still don't know. So Jester Hairston (aka Rolly Forbes on "Amen", and aka Henry Van Porter on "Amos and Andy"), was the cousin I use to hear about that stopped by a few times to visit our grandparents in DC, my grandmother in particular, who grew up with him. They were very close in age. They were correct in the write-up on him, where it mentioned he believed in keeping in touch with family.
To end it like Smokey in the video," Yeah, I said it".
I'm going to follow up shortly with something else a little heavy, but it will be more related to the original topic.
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IllmaticDelta
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A lot of false info in this thread
First of all, the people that we now know as "African-Americans" gave themselves racial and ethnic labels such as "Black" and "Afro/African-American" on their own. White people NEVER called Aframs those terms until Aframs called themselves those terms
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No one else on this planet was calling themselves "African ___" or "Black" (the expansive concept as described above) before Aframs themselves, willingly, identified that way on their own terms
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As far as the POV that Smokey holds, that argument of "American" (A black one) over "African-American" has always competed with what I posted above, and is documented from basically 200 years ago. 200 years ago, many "black" leaders felt that the race describing themselves with the hyphen "African" actually undermined the "Americaness" of the population because it gave whites an easy out as a way to consider the african-descended population as "foreign", "alien", "not real americans"; when in fact, the "native black" population has older/longer roots in the USA than a good deal of the "white" population who are basically "Ellis Island" whites.
First of all, the people that we now know as "African-Americans" gave themselves racial and ethnic labels such as "Black" and "Afro/African-American" on their own. White people NEVER called Aframs those terms until Aframs called themselves those terms
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No one else on this planet was calling themselves "African ___" or "Black" (the expansive concept as described above) before Aframs themselves, willingly, identified that way on their own terms
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As far as the POV that Smokey holds, that argument of "American" (A black one) over "African-American" has always competed with what I posted above, and is documented from basically 200 years ago. 200 years ago, many "black" leaders felt that the race describing themselves with the hyphen "African" actually undermined the "Americaness" of the population because it gave whites an easy out as a way to consider the african-descended population as "foreign", "alien", "not real americans"; when in fact, the "native black" population has older/longer roots in the USA than a good deal of the "white" population who are basically "Ellis Island" whites.
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They look like Fulanis
IllmaticDelta
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Amerikan Melanin
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FBA trumps all this shyt.
IsThatBrothaMouzone?
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White Catholics were NOT seen as white in the same way WASPs were. Jews from central/east Europe same thing.
Compared to us, yes they were "white" America, but they weren't granted full white privilege until it was convenient.
George Bush = full WASP....always white by the American definition. Folks came over on the Mayflower.
The Kennedys = Irish and Catholic. White by skin but not WASP...so seen as the other. Once WASPs felt like it was OK, they let Italians and Irish etc., into the club. From a census standpoint they were white but not culturally.
That's a legacy from the British...back to Henry VIII not trusting the Pope and wanting to get out of his marriage to Catherine. Brits didn't want Rome dictating shyt to them so they rejected it and moved towards the Anglican church. Carried that bias over here which is why ethnic white Catholics (ethnic really meaning non-British) were kept at arms length.
White in America will expand to keep its numbers up.
Laidbackman
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From Black's Law Dictionary, Revised Fourth Edition:
BLACK CODE. A name given collectively to the body of laws, statutes, and rules in force in various southern states prior to 1865, which regulated the institution of slavery, and particularly those forbidding their reception at public inns and on public conveyances. Civil Rights Cases, 3 S.Ct. 18, 109 U.S. 3, 27 L.Ed. 835.
To put this in laymans terms, Black codes and Jim Crow laws were laws passed at different periods in the southern United States to enforce racial segregation and curtail the power of Black voters. After the Civil War ended in 1865, some states passed black codes that severely limited the rights of Black people, many of whom had been enslaved.
BLACK CODE. A name given collectively to the body of laws, statutes, and rules in force in various southern states prior to 1865, which regulated the institution of slavery, and particularly those forbidding their reception at public inns and on public conveyances. Civil Rights Cases, 3 S.Ct. 18, 109 U.S. 3, 27 L.Ed. 835.
To put this in laymans terms, Black codes and Jim Crow laws were laws passed at different periods in the southern United States to enforce racial segregation and curtail the power of Black voters. After the Civil War ended in 1865, some states passed black codes that severely limited the rights of Black people, many of whom had been enslaved.
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IllmaticDelta
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Yeah, the only white people that identify with a hyphen are people whose ancestors came in through Ellis Island or recent immigrants. OG stock "whites" simply identify as "Americans"
Call yourself black instead of AA?
But I'm Zoed Up, Foes down so lemme shut my tether ass up.
Yall do realize that scene was pure
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What NOI/Malcolm X really thought of the term:
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I have no problem with the "African" label but the term "Black" is clearly superior for "black consciousness" and Pan-Africanism. There is a reason ADOS people when deciding if they were gonna rock with Ethios, they pressed Halie with the "Black" question rather than the "African" question. You can skate by on some
while sticking to the "African" label/concept in a way that you can't under the "Black" label/concept.
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ReturnOfJudah
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The map should have included the percentage of the haplogroups for each one shown
Laidbackman
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Although I had to stop following this brother for a certain reason, he do have it downpacked when discussing the damage we do to ourselves, by wanting to identify as "Black". I haven't watched this video in a while, but it's still on point.
