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So Camron was a Big L clone in the mid 90’s????
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H. Selassie
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Most artists sound like their influences early on until they find their own styles. Russell Simmons told Nas he sounded like G Rap and didn’t sign him to Def Jam in ‘91. J Cole once sounded like Canibus.
Andre3000 hit on it perfectly in terms of why artist development is important and lacking in today’s game. Hence so many people sound alike:
Andre3000 hit on it perfectly in terms of why artist development is important and lacking in today’s game. Hence so many people sound alike:
KFBF
Superstar
No disrespect to L but his death really inflated him. That and message board culture. He was not better than Cam imo.
Thank you. RIP but death really be putting extra sauce on artist that were just cool at the time. Years pass and all of a sudden their style was being borrowed by such and such and they top this or that. Relax and chill. L was cool and that's it cool.
Word!!! L had one good album …. Not his fault tho
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
This take actually exposes you.
like you started listening to rap.
From a clear channel communications act.
To somewhere.... when eminem debuted.
In real culture emcee skill and stature.
Big l was always big l in the underground.
cam wouldn't have ever drew.
if not for big l being big l.
Cam got a pass from being a cliche wu tang biter because he was a herald of big l.
Which canceled out the wu tang biter vitroil that yaggfu front to umcs met on change of direction to being socalled hard core in that era.
That is why coc got to draw outside of the destruction of draw for biting wutang in that era.
Only gateway fans from the clear channel to sales spike era slash eminem era talk.
about big l being Inflated.
If not for the longest record delay administratively for that era in rap history for the time.
Big l would have cemented.
Big l was rhe best debut and skilled emcee in rap via an Album release. in rhe styles war era.
in that era Outside a major label album.
only Big l and juice were seen as completely dominant skill wise from a grassroots perspective in that era.
In that exact time as emcees.
This talk of Big l post humously was from gateway fans. Trying to act and flaug.
like they were long term rap fans.
Before big l died or I even met juice.
Big l was the best skilled guymway before he passed.
if not for again.
the worst administrative delay for a debut rap album in the styles war era or in tap histpry for that time.
big l would have been viewed globally as the best rapper skillwise.
The Johnny come lately oost humous big l fan never fooled me ever.
From your posting,...
Not an attack.
yet tour posting signals you are a gayeway fan. That came almost half a decade later.
after big l debuted in lord finesse's yes you may.
This whole idea of your content makes no sense.
As cam would not even be cam.
if not for big l being big l eho debuted in lord finessed yes you may.
Art Barr
KFBF
Superstar
To be clear, you agree that Cam was not/is not fit to lace L's boots? If that's your position that's fine but we're not going to agree. I like L and I think he was incredibly talented but talking about him and Cam like you're talking about Mims and GZA is offbase.
All the shyt you said might very well be true. But L passed away rapper benefited from the post-humous message board bump imo. That's not taking away from what he accommplished in life.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
Stop.
Again reference my last quote.
nikkaz trying to create this false narrative.
like they dug in the crate. Yet exposing they know no history.
Before rap came on their cable channel for real for real.
Y'all flaug'n.
Tryint to make it like you gate keeping.
yet have no knowledge.
from digging in the crate.
to social real experience.
in actual hiphop in the pillars.
Which is why my previous post.
goes into more exposition to expose the flaug'n.
From bandwagon rap fans or rap heads who Not in hiphop. Yet be trying to make it like.
they know everything about hiphop and rap.
When things like this expose.
who is what and what is real for real for real.
Dig in the crate and get a pillar frfr.
Stop trying to make it like your gateway is from the essence and it is not.
No attack just stating the real.
Hiphop never allowed this non prescient slash non knowledgeable shyt the internet age of hiphopinfinity.com types try to get over.
No body real is fooled and the real will always exposed this fufu shyt flaug ass shyt.
that is prevalent on the internet.
It is a flame narrative and not true in hiphop.
Stop it.
Art Barr
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Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
No your styke of posting content.
came around from the message board internet era.
where You expose you were not socially a thing in a pillar of hiphop.
plus not skilled and have no history.
to try to make this message board era take.
Into being like the rest of the hiphopinfinity.com styles takes.
That are all some toys.
trying to flaug and headfake.
like they are bboys in a pillar of hiphop and are not.
You talking like a toy rap fan.
who found rap from the internet.
It is nOt indicative of someone actually in a pillar.
who is skilled in hiphop.
So stop it.
All you doing is disqualifying yourself in discussion and branding yourself as someone.
who is not knowledgeable beyond your Fandom of hiphop culture. While not really being a part of hiphop culture. As this whole flaug about hiphop history and try to act credible does not work.
You either credible or not.
I know in y'all whole internet fan. who gets to be interactive mind. You guys think you are this thing.
Where in rap the fan at the rain dance feels.
Said fan can take a Tom.
from a native and show the native. how to chant for rain better aspect of rap. The internet has ushered in with everything from sheer large mass fan influx to mass exodus.
Yet when it comes down to culture and show and prove. This is where that big l false narrative ideology is proven false and exposed. By complete fact.
Of which you show you are lacking in knowledge and wherewithal in. You at times are a cool poster. Yet the problem with rap fans is their lack of full commitment to hiphop frfr. Where discussions like this expose the caisson like gap.
between a fan and a real actualized skilled bboy in a pillar of hiphop.
Art Barr
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KFBF
Superstar
'preciate it.
Was cam not fit to lace L's boots? Which rappers post-humous legacy has benefited the most from message board culture in your opinion?
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
Message board love and the internet never swayed culture minded based and experienced parties culturally.
as to what occured before the internet.
The internet does not change culture fact or history. Which is why I said.
i can tell what era was your gateway from your postings.
As the internet is not a dominant cultural anything over hiphop history.
Regardless of the fan influx in the
mainstreaming Of rap.
Big l was always big l.
Regardless of the message board appreciation post humously or not.
This whole idea that when bjg l died.
his skill level was over processed from grief is a lie. As big l was already big l.
only people from a mass influx from the clear channel slash communication act to the sales spike era.
have this entitled thing.
where they act as though things existed.
when they became privy to them. When hiphop was here.
before the communications act to internet style fan.
Big l was already out a half decade.
before the communications act gateway fan.
became privy to the mainstreaming of rap.
Of which that fan does not change the facts about hiphop. Just because of their large fan Influx. They show entitlement.
to trying to change things to where their gateway took place. Which is not true.
It is the same thing with gangsta rap fans and pac/biggie, jiggy fans as well.
No one in the know is fooled.
Art Barr
my post in here maybe seemed like I was shytting on cam, I don't even agree with the thread title .. imo camron was never a big L clone, but imo L was a far superior mc and artist, dude is and will always be one of the nicest mc's, something that cam is not, yes cam'ron has that aura and personality in his songs, but he was never as nice as L
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I love L too but I agree with you, much bigger fan of Cam and Mase. Big L style fit more with DITC than COTC in my opinión.
I was just thinking the other day if Killa and Murda never fell out they probably wouldve dropped one of the best duo albums, like Mobb Deep or Meth & Red level
