So can we finally admit that 50 cent had the best entrance into hip hop of all time??

[Wacky D]

entrance?

this was closer to being his exit than his entrance. grodt was like one of his last good tapes. commercial @$$ niccas.

on the flip, i dont like how some people are trying to say he rode em & dre coat-tails. he aint ride chit. if thats the case, then how come nobody else blew up half as much as 50 on that label? curtis is the one that made shady/aftermath semi-relevant in the hood.

 

[Wacky D]

nellyclose thread

yea. i have to say that nelly's entrance was the most impressive, after the '80s at least. dude literally came out of nowhere with no machine behind him or nothing. all you saw was dude knock on the camera lens, then rock out in the video, then hes #1 and multi-plat.

http://www.the-coli.com/booth/14797-nelly-blowing-up-2000-one-greatest-stories-history-rap.html

Who the fck is Drake?

I will agree with you though. Remember in summer 2002 when Ja Rule was on the radio EVERYWHERE? Radio stations would even say that. We had pop and country stations playing Ja Rule. Hip Hop stations and R&B stations playing him. A year later he didn't even exist anymore thanks to 50.

there were other major factors that contributed to jarule's demise. not to mention that he was heading towards a cliff before 50 got a machine behind him.

 

[Wacky D]

When tupac 1st came out noone was checkin for him he was more known for his movie roles.

im not saying that pac belongs in this discussion, but this is bullchit.

If you look at it from every angle far as hits,musically,impact,storyline,beef, 50 has it hands down....I would say Snoop had the greatest entrance and buzz based off skills alone than anybody else though....nobody gon mention MC Hammer oh ok...say what u want but Hammer wuz on Michael Jacksons radar and had alotta nikkas mad....nigg had a cartoon

"please hammer dont hurt em" was not his debut.

Why do people sleep on Lil Kim's impact? Just look at Nicki doing her best "I'm Lil Kim" Impression and you see her influence is still being felt. Before Lil Kim, Female emcees were dressing like Dudes with baggy pants and hoodies. Kim made Females, FEMALES in Hip Hop. She was the one that made it ok for a Female to be sexy and rap. All these chicks took from Lil Kim's blueprint. She's easily one of the most influential female rappers of all time. "Hard Core" changed the game for Female Emcees. Yes Biggie was the mastermind behind her and he should get some credit too but Kim was the face. Just look how influential this promo poster was from "Hard Core":

the bolded is a bold-faced lie. i was about to dap you up until i read that part. there were a bunch of sexy sultry female rappers out long before lil kim, including salt-n-pepa who had a way better career than kim.

also, we gonna act like foxy brown didnt come out at the same dam time, and dam near had just as much of a buzz as kim? and kim only had a slightly bigger buzz than fox cuz she was biggie's artist and she was OD'ing on the freak chit.

kim & fox are both up there tho. top 10-15 debut buzzes of the past 20 years. i can agree with that much.

but yo, that drake pic had me

 

[jdagga]

dmx had a pretty big impact plus it was more authentic

 

[Wacky D]

What does that have to do with recycling a marketing plan and image?

When 50 Cent first came out with Power Of A Dollar no one gave a fukk. When he became "controversial" in all the same ways that worked for Tupac, he blew up.

Bias has nothing to do with it because its clear that the idea to promote the fukk out of being shot was something they did with Tupac, the idea of having him the 'head' of a rap crew was something they did with Tupac/Outlaws, being shown in a ton of pictures with a bulletproof vest on and that wreckless 'thug' attitude was something they did with Tupac. When they needed singles they didnt just randomly choose the exact same 2 people who did '2 Of Amerikkaz Most Wanted' and 'California Love' to work on his first 2 singles.

Facts are facts breh.

you call these "facts"?

for starters, "power of the dollar" never came out. secondly, yes there was plenty of controversy surrounding that record and yes it was something like a big deal.

50 already was the head of a rap crew and already rockin bulletproof vests before he got signed by aftermath. and pac was already the head of 2 crews before he got down with death row. and im pretty sure he wouldve been rockin that vest regardless.

50's 1st single over there was "wanksta". and seeing that he was on dre's label, im sure that dre producing the 2nd single would be pretty much automatic. the single with snoop was the dagone 4th single 50 dropped over there and it did more for snoop than it did for 50. lol.

 

[classicmaterial]

Snoop Doggy Dogg easily... 802,000 first week in 1993 when Hip Hop wasn't as mainstream... SMH @ 50 only doing 70,000 more during Hip Hop's peak

50 album also got leaked and had to be released early, so those extra 70K might include the extra 3 days that counted towards the first week. I don't know if they considered the "first week" to only be Saturday-Tuesday or if they counted the first week as the legit first week plus the extra few days, either way, it's true that basically everyone went platinum in 2000-2003, where as especially in hip hop that wasn't happening in 93