So Cavs are 2-15 without Lebron... How??
- Thread starter HoopLife
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If Lebron gets to switch the west then KD comes to the east to team up with a D Rose that never got injured & Thibs is still coaching lockdown defense. Bulls in 5
So the two players who get their soul stolen every time they look across the court at Lebron...are somehow going to team up to beat him?
Durant is 4-17 all-time against Lebron, including that Finals where he had Westbrook, Harden, AND Ibaka by his side.
Rose is 4-12 in the playoffs against Lebron, including that ECF when they lost 4 straight games to the weakest Miami team after winning 60+ that year.
A Lebron-led West team is going to beat dem two down on mental fear alone.
Agree except the bolded.
2012-2013 was a historic one.
Nah...that team still didn't have a center or a point guard. They were starting Bosh/Haslem as their "big men" in the playoffs, and Chalmers/Cole were getting 48 minutes/game combined at the point. And Wade's health was sketchy a lot of the time. Look at this roster with playoff stats minus Lebron:
Wade: 16-5-5 on 46/25/75 shooting
Bosh: 12-7-2 on 46/41/72 shooting
Allen: 10-3-1 on 43/41/87 shooting
Chalmers: 9-2-3 on 42/35/76 shooting
Cole: 6-2-2 on 48/53/73 shooting
Anderson: 6-4-0 on 81/0/73 shooting
Haslem: 5-4-0 on 57/0/57 shooting
Battier: 5-2-1 on 29/30/82 shooting
Miller: 3-2-1 on 47/44/64 shooting
Ray was 37, Battier and Anderson were 34, Haslem and Miller were 32 but clearly starting to lose it, and Wade missed 14 games including a playoff game. There ain't a great deal of defense on that roster either.
That squad would have had trouble making the playoffs in the East this year. They had a couple role players who could bang and a grip of guys who could hit a three, but even then pretty much every 3pt shot by someone not named "Ray" had to be a wide-open look set up with Lebron's penetration.
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that Heat team without Lebron would still be deadly. The shot distribution and minutes would be way different so those stats are meaningless. Wade returns to the efficient # 1 option and Chris bosh to his Toronto roots. 37 year old Ray Allen gets back to around 16ppg as a starter.
Deep solid bench with players would could start on most teams.
D Wade was too injury prone that year, he was a shell of himself.
The shot distribution and minutes would be way different so those stats are meaningless. Wade returns to the efficient # 1 option and Chris bosh to his Toronto roots. 37 year old Ray Allen gets back to around 16ppg as a starter.
Deep solid bench with players would could start on most teams.
Ironman
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Put Bron on any team East or West and depending on which they're either getting into the playoffs or fighting for a title. Prime Bron especially alters the shyt out of a game
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The shot distribution and minutes would be way different so those stats are meaningless. Wade returns to the efficient # 1 option and Chris bosh to his Toronto roots. 37 year old Ray Allen gets back to around 16ppg as a starter.
Deep solid bench with players would could start on most teams.
Do you not remember how hurt Wade was that year?
Bosh would have picked up some slack, that's the one thing that would have been significantly different.
Ray would have been a wash because he wouldn't have been getting set up by Lebron as much and had clearly lost a step - remember that Boston wasn't even going to start him and just let him walk? He'd only averaged 14ppg as a starter for Boston the previous year and was a liability on defense - he isn't suddenly going to defy Father Time.
But this "deep solid bench with players who could start on most teams" is the biggest lie. WHO the hell on that bench would have been "starting on most teams"??? Birdman was almost out of the league when the Heat took a chance on him - he was initially picked up on a 10-day contract. Battier and Miller were old and hobbling around - Battier retired after another horrible year and Miller was let go, where he couldn't even break the starting lineup on a Memphis team where Prince was averaging 6ppg as the starting SF. Cole isn't close to starting material and has looked bad even in a backup role for Memphis. There weren't no starters on that bench.
And think about how badly Chalmers-old Allen-hurt Wade-Bosh-Haslem is getting destroyed on defense. That team would be leaking holes everywhere. And bringing Cole-hurt Miller-old Battier-Anderson off the bench ain't plugging those holes.
I have a HARD time seeing that team as a playoff team without Lebron.
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SteelCitySoldier
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Someone tell me what the Heats record was without Bron
They were 9-9 when Lebron didn't play.
That's sort of a "meh" number though, because most of those numbers come from 3-4 games at the end of each year when Lebron was resting for the playoffs and other teams were resting guys or not putting their heart into it anymore either. He didn't have big midseason stretches of missing games then like he has had with Cleveland.
SteelCitySoldier
TSC Fantasy Football Champion 2016
Damn he only missed 18 games in three seasons
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Anyways these hypotheticals are all wishy washy.
Basically if Lebron was never there... The heat would've had a replacement.
And whose to say Wade would get the same injuries again.... And whose to say Ray Allen age effected him and not his low shot attempts? His game would've translated into 16-17 as a starter.
And why wouldn't chris bosh be a 22 and 8-9 guy
And it's not like their historic defense changes.