So china is making cars that are affordable and our government doesnt care?

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They aren't spontaneously combusting like the cars/EV's China is trying to flood the market with.​

looks like they've fixed the issue, although all EV cars are capable of blowing up. but it's pretty impressive how they can fix things so quickly due to politics.

Small, well-built Chinese EV called the Seagull poses a big threat to the US auto industry

The car, Seagull, launched last year by Chinese automaker BYD, sells for around $12,000 in China.

apnews.com

im wondering if moving the factories to mexico was strategic. buy it in mexico, and drive it back to america bypassing the tariffs (I think)

shiet wouldn't mind a 12k EV. cars are expensive these days and folks just trying to get around, fukk all the gas prices.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

looks like they've fixed the issue, although all EV cars are capable of blowing up. but it's pretty impressive how they can fix things so quickly due to politics.

Small, well-built Chinese EV called the Seagull poses a big threat to the US auto industry

The car, Seagull, launched last year by Chinese automaker BYD, sells for around $12,000 in China.

apnews.com

The problem they have is repairs/maintenance since many Chinese EV companies make NO profit and are filing for bankruptcy, parts will become scarce. Coupled with the fact that Chinese quality control is an afterthought and tariffs will at least double prices I don't see a promising future for them here......

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The problem they have is repairs/maintenance since many Chinese EV companies make NO profit and are filing for bankruptcy, parts will become scarce. Coupled with the fact that Chinese quality control is an afterthought and tariffs will at least double prices I don't see a promising future for them here......

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I'm assuming you didn't read the article?

there is no real way to get the actual numbers overall just by one company.

their are dozens of chinese companies.

Earlier this year, Tesla CEO Elon Musk told industry analysts Chinese EVs are so good that without trade barriers, “they will pretty much demolish most other car companies in the world.”

and he has no incentive to say this. also some of their electrical components....are made in california

 

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also, the subsidies are gone, meaning only the best companies will survive.

that is how a fast govt works. saw a problem, nipped it immediately.

I would def buy a BYD. This guy in california did and he seems to love it. for just 12k and no more gas prices?? shiiiiiet. and apparently this car is what china uses for taxis so you know its legit.

 

[Arizax2]

China brands are putting folks to shame. They making long range electric cars for dirt cheap. Even Tesla had to drop their prices to complete in China. Have these cars in America and see how quickly dealer markups go away for other cars.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

I'm assuming you didn't read the article?

You would be incorrect.​

there is no real way to get the actual numbers overall just by one company.

There is, however, sufficient evidence to justify the conclusions.​

their are dozens of chinese companies.

About 90.​

and he has no incentive to say this. also some of their electrical components....are made in california

And assembled in China which has a SERIOUS quality control problem which has contributed to the term 'tofu dreg' regarding Chinese products....

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China brands are putting folks to shame. They making long range electric cars for dirt cheap. Even Tesla had to drop their prices to complete in China. Have these cars in America and see how quickly dealer markups go away for other cars.

this is exactly what happened in brazil. BYD came in, crushed Tesla, they had to lower their prices, as well as the big brands. China is showing everybody, that they (big brands) have been marking up the prices this whole time.

how the hell are folks attacking china for that? that's just weird.

 

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And assembled in China which has a SERIOUS quality control problem which has contributed to the term 'tofu dreg' regarding Chinese products.​

and folks say that about tesla. I sense some exaggeration and propaganda. some chinese products are trash, and some chinese products are good. do research (which you should be doing anyways) before you purchase anything, anywhere.

 

[Arizax2]

this is exactly what happened in brazil. BYD came in, crushed Tesla, they had to lower their prices, as well as the big brands. China is showing everybody, that they (big brands) have been marking up the prices this whole time.

how the hell are folks attacking china for that? that's just weird.

Facts. We buy China products everyday but a big ticket item like a car is off limits approximately . Honestly fukk these legacy car makers and their lobby. The new Model 3 cost 30k in China but 50k in America.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

and folks say that about tesla. I sense some exaggeration and propaganda. some chinese products are trash, and some chinese products are good. do research (which you should be doing anyways) before you purchase anything, anywhere.

Folks say anything, the difference is that propaganda is discouraged over here but endorsed and perpetuated by the Chinese Government over there while any and all criticism is drowned-out/sanctioned/illegal.​

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/22/byd-seagull-ev-puts-global-auto-execs-politicians-on-edge.html

Allow a "communist" country to outplay you in capitalism crehs.

The China-built BYD
Seagull, a small all-electric hatchback, starts at just 69,800 yuan (or less than $10,000), and reportedly banks a profit for the increasingly influential Chinese automaker.

That latter point — EV profits where U.S. automakers have mostly failed to turn any — combined with the expansion of Chinese automakers into Europe, Latin America and elsewhere has automotive executives and politicians, from Detroit and Texas to Germany and Japan, on edge.

The Seagull could be a “clarion call for the rest of the auto industry,” said Terry Woychowski, a former General Motors
executive who now serves as president of automotive at engineering consulting firm Caresoft Global. “It’s a significant event.”

Though the Seagull isn’t yet sold on U.S. soil, BYD is expanding its vehicles globally, and some believe it’s only a matter of time before more China-made vehicles arrive in the U.S.
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For BYD to sell the Seagull in the U.S., it would have to meet U.S. federal vehicle requirements that would add additional costs to the car. But the EV could likely still arrive on U.S. shores for tens of thousands of dollars cheaper than the current average price of an EV in the U.S., which Cox Automotive reports is more than $52,000.

BYD last month announced it would begin selling the Seagull/Dolphin Mini EV in Mexico for 358,800 pesos (or about $20,990).

BYD has found success in its battery technology; internal sourcing, also known as vertical integration; and production of parts, according to Caresoft. Most notable is BYD’s development of lower-cost battery technologies that are far cheaper to manufacture than lithium-ion batteries commonly used in U.S. EVs.

BYD, which stands for Build Your Dreams, first pioneered its “Blade” battery technologies in smartphones and has since grown into one of China’s most well-known automakers.

Its focus on vehicle efficiencies is reminiscent of U.S. EV leader Tesla, which has likewise been able to drive down the cost of its vehicles over the years.



Tariffs won't make American cars affordable. This has to be one of the WORST crop of politicians we've had in a minute.

They are also forcing people to go electric with taxes and laws plus China is oriented to mass production. You can't compare because if America was to try and do most of this shyt people would be mad at the government.

 

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Folks say anything, the difference is that propaganda is discouraged over here but endorsed and perpetuated by the Chinese Government over there while any and all criticism is drowned-out/sanctioned/illegal.​

so you're telling me that tobacco didn't target vapes with bad press? or car companies when EVs first came out?

luckily no one cared about the propaganda and folks bought whatever they wanted to buy, then others realised

 

[HiphopRelated]

The Euros care a lot more about safety than America, so if they're available over there, I'm calling cap on the safety concerns of the more modern cars.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

so you're telling me that tobacco didn't target vapes with bad press? or car companies when EVs first came out?

What I'm telling you is that Chinese manufacturing suffers from a severe lack of quality control that is objectively well-documented.​

luckily no one cared about the propaganda and folks bought whatever they wanted to buy, then others realised

Were that true, there'd be an influx of American manufacturers flocking to China to learn from them instead of the opposite. We also have several protections in-place for consumers so the lack of concern isn't because they don't care.​

 

[voiture]

China makes cars using damn near slave labor and the government subsidizes their EVs. There is zero way for the US or Europe to compete with that. Tariffs in this market will unfortunately have to exist.

Elon Musk also get billions in subsidies yet he can't make cheaper cars.
Let's face it, it will be over for American automakers when BYD completes their Mexico plant.