So Did Last Night Prove Stephen Curry Took Lebron James Crown?

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Who put the cavs in the position to win each game in last years finals and who actually won them the games is the difference between Lebron and kyrie.

In the coli all everyone argues is stats. I'm just going by what appears to the naked eye.

Finals MVP isn't awarded the same way as, say an NBA season MVP award. It's more on who made the biggest impact in games when it counted.
 

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Ya'all try way too hard. :russ:


We already went on this play by play and showed that Bron's scoring in games 3, 5, and 6 was just as well-timed and just as vital as Kyrie's, probably more so.

But Game 7 is your worst argument. Lebron scored NINE points in the last six minutes. He kept them in the game, pulled them back from a four-point deficit, preserved the tie with the block, hit the free throw to end it, then kept Klay from even getting a shot off. Kyrie, meanwhile, scored THREE points in the last six minutes.

9 > 3, even before the defensive brilliance.

You don't win a game with one shot.

I agree Bron was better than Kyrie overall in the series, and they got the MVP right. With that being said, Kyrie got them going in game 3 with a big first quarter. Bron wasn't very good in Game 4, especially down the stretch, including 7 turnovers for the game. Kyrie was much better offensively. Game 5 was a toss-up although I would still give the edge to Kyrie offensively, as he had the Dubs looking helpless. Bron was better in game 6. In game 7 is was Smith and Kyrie that erased the deficit in the 3rd quarter. If I'm not mistaken, it was Bron's assignment, Green, who dominated the first half for the Warriors offensively, and helped them gain the lead, and there were no points in the game that meant more/were bigger than the 3 points Kyrie scored in the last 6 minutes of the game. 9>3 normally, except when the 3 is a bucket that wins Game 7 of the NBA Finals,on the road, after being down in the series 1-3, against a 73-9 team,against the unanimous MVP, when no other player, including Bron, wanted that shot. But Yeah, Bron was MVP, that shouldn't be argued.
 

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If I'm not mistaken, it was Bron's assignment, Green, who dominated the first half for the Warriors offensively, and helped them gain the lead

How the hell you just blatently make up shyt about a game that happened less than 1 year ago? :what:

The main lineup for the Cavs that game was Kyrie-JR-Lebron-Love-TT. The main lineup for the Warriors was Curry-Klay-Iggy-Barnes-Green. Draymond was NOT Bron's primary assignment, he was TT's assignment more than anything.

But the Cavs switched a ton. Go on a shot-by-shot basis, and Green drove by Lebron once and hit a three when Lebron didn't get through a screen. That's it. He scored 3 times each when guarded by TT and JR, and once each guarded by Jefferson, Shump, and Irving.




I agree Bron was better than Kyrie overall in the series, and they got the MVP right. With that being said, Kyrie got them going in game 3 with a big first quarter. Bron wasn't very good in Game 4, especially down the stretch, including 7 turnovers for the game. Kyrie was much better offensively. Game 5 was a toss-up although I would still give the edge to Kyrie offensively, as he had the Dubs looking helpless. Bron was better in game 6. In game 7 is was Smith and Kyrie that erased the deficit in the 3rd quarter. If I'm not mistaken, it was Bron's assignment, Green, who dominated the first half for the Warriors offensively, and helped them gain the lead, and there were no points in the game that meant more/were bigger than the 3 points Kyrie scored in the last 6 minutes of the game. 9>3 normally, except when the 3 is a bucket that wins Game 7 of the NBA Finals,on the road, when no other player, including Bron, wanted that shot. But Yeah, Bron was MVP, that shouldn't be argued.

Other than that bullshyt about Green being Bron's defensive responsibility in Game 7, you just straight up went off points for that whole rant? :gucci:

It's like defense, rebounding, and setting up teammates didn't even exist for you. :skip:

Game 1: Kyrie was ass

Game 2: Kyrie was ass

Game 3: Talking about Kyrie being the main factor in the 1st quarter in Game 3, as if GS didn't cut that lead down to 7 by the 2nd quarter and don't go on huge runs all the time. Lebron's the one who put the game out of reach in the 3rd quarter with scoring. But they both had strong all-around games

Game 4: You say Lebron had a bad game because of 7 turnovers, when he went 25-13-9 on 11-21 shooting and was all over the place on defense (2 steals and 3 blocks). You ignore that Curry went off for 38 points on Kyrie in that game. And you talk about Lebron being poor down the stretch, as if Kyrie didn't shoot 3-9 (no threes) without a single assist in the last 8 minutes.

But really, Lebron should be Finals MVP based off of baiting Draymond into a flagrant alone. :troll:

Game 5: You call it a "toss-up" because you think Irving had an edge offensively, even though they both scored 41 (more assists for Lebron, more turnovers for Kyrie), and Lebron was a MONSTER on the boards and defense (16 boards, 3 blocks, 3 steals, Warriors frontcourt went 9-36 for the game).

Game 6: Lebron was a monster on both ends again, as you admit. 3rd game where Lebron was undeniably better.

Game 7: Lebron was better all game again. He was the guy the offense revolved around (11 assists to Kyrie's 1 assist) and he was the center of the defense (2 steals and 3 blocks, and held Barnes/Iggy to 5-16 shooting while scaring Curry from even thinking about the lane all game). And acting like Lebron wasn't about the moment was bullshyt - Lebron scored 9 of the last 12 for the Cavs, including a huge 3 and 3-3 free throws on a huge fouled three, not to mention the block. Kyrie doesn't get the game ball for making one fukking shot - that's what he's supposed to do.


Lebron was clearly better in 4 games and had the edge in two more, with the last being a toss up. Kyrie wasn't the most important Cav on both ends in even one game.

I swear, ya'all won't give Lebron his credit unless he is the best player on both sides of the ball in every game, leads all players in scoring, assists, rebounds, blocks, and steals, and dominates in the fourth quarters while his team wins the series.

Oh, wait, ya still trying to make up shyt even if he do all dat. :mjgrin:
 
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Ok Lebron had one nice game I can credit to him against a entire warriors roster.

My point is how about all of you give kyrie the same credit you're giving Lebron

Kyrie went off in game 3. Cavs won.

Kyrie had a monster game 5 just like Lebron except he was definitely more clutch and the closer Lebron wasn't in the series.

And kyrie won the series with the shot over curry in game 7

Anyone unbiased would give the MVP to kyrie but of course Lebron got it and all the credit from the media

That igouadala block was legendary though :yeshrug:
nikka are you serious?
 

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:mjlol:......I swear this is the highlight of some of you nikkas days:bryan:
Reading comprehension is key....
The only thing I spoke about was offensively, because that's the only thing that can be comparable. You said Bron's scoring was just as well timed, and just as vital, if not more so, and I don't agree. But, since I'm bored out my mind in the office on this rainy day, I'll humor you....
How the hell you just blatently make up shyt about a game that happened less than 1 year ago? :what:

The main lineup for the Cavs that game was Kyrie-JR-Lebron-Love-TT. The main lineup for the Warriors was Curry-Klay-Iggy-Barnes-Green. Draymond was NOT Bron's primary assignment, he was TT's assignment more than anything.

But the Cavs switched a ton. Go on a shot-by-shot basis, and Green drove by Lebron once and hit a three when Lebron didn't get through a screen. That's it. He scored 3 times each when guarded by TT and JR, and once each guarded by Jefferson, Shump, and Irving. Lebron prolly spent more time guarding Draymond than any other player during that series. The put him on Draymond to slow his playmaking. Now to guard Curry and Klay they incorporated a lot of switching, but just because Bron was slotted at the sf doesn't mean Green wasn't his main assignment.






Other than that bullshyt about Green being Bron's defensive responsibility in Game 7, you just straight up went of points for that whole rant? :gucci:
Rant?:mjlol:.......Look below at what you wrote.....
It's like defense, rebounding, and setting up teammates didn't even exist for you. :skip:

Game 1: Kyrie was ass Yes he was, but Bron wasn't much better.....Whole team was ass game 1.

Game 2: Kyrie was ass Bron was equally ass 19 point, on 7-17 shooting, with 7 turnovers:snoop: Try again!!

Game 3: Talking about Kyrie being the main factor in the 1st quarter in Game 3, as if GS didn't cut that lead down to 7 by the 2nd quarter and don't go on huge runs all the time. Lebron's the one who put the game out of reach in the 3rd quarter with scoring. But they both had strong all-around games. They did, but Kyrie took the pressure out of the game by getting them going early. When they "needed" a bucket, it was Kyrie getting it for them. That game was never really tight, and a lot of it has to do with Kyrie getting off to that good start. That doesn't take anything away from Bron, but Kyrie was more impressive offensively.

Game 4: You say Lebron had a bad game because of 7 turnovers, when he went 25-13-9 on 11-21 shooting and was all over the place on defense (2 steals and 3 blocks). You ignore that Curry went off for 38 points on Kyrie in that game. And you talk about Lebron being poor down the stretch, as if Kyrie didn't shoot 3-9 (no threes) without a single assist in the last 8 minutes. So, let me get this straight. You said earlier that the Cavs were doing a bunch of switching, but now your gonna try and say Curry hung all 38 on Irving?:rudy: You reaching. You don't consider a 7 turnover game in the playoffs where you loose a close game a bad game? Even Bron said after the game it was his fault and he would need to be better. Cut down on 3 of those turnovers, and they may end up winning that game. He played so poorly and out of character, that he literally pushed Curry out of frustration, and tried to step over Draymond, both of which were completely out of his character, or at least what he portrays.

Game 5: You call it a "toss-up" because you think Irving had an edge offensively, even though they both scored 41 (more assists for Lebron, more turnovers for Kyrie), and Lebron was a MONSTER on the boards and defense (16 boards, 3 blocks, 3 steals, Warriors frontcourt went 9-36 for the game). LOL....Wait, you mean Draymond Green, Andrew Bogut, and Festus Ezeli:mjlol: Boy Stop!!!!! I don't even need to touch on the Warriors Frontcourt offensively, because I aint even talking about defense/rebounding...And Kyrie was 17-24 for 41 points. They tried running everybody they could at him, and he still shot 17-24 getting any and everything he wanted. After the game the Dubs talked about needing to limit Kyrie not Bron. I mean, you can go back and watch the game and see for yourself who was more impressive offensively.

Game 6: Lebron was a monster on both ends again, as you admit. 3rd game where Lebron was undeniably better. I agree, but Lebron was undeniably better the entire series. I'm speaking strictly about offense. I wouldn't even attempt to compare their total impact to each other. I watch the games too.

Game 7: Lebron was better all game again. He was the guy the offense revolved around (11 assists to Kyrie's 1 assist) and he was the center of the defense (2 steals and 3 blocks, and held Barnes/Iggy to 5-16 shooting while scaring Curry from even thinking about the lane all game). And acting like Lebron wasn't about the moment was bullshyt - Lebron scored 9 of the last 12 for the Cavs, including a huge 3 and 3-3 free throws on a huge fouled three, not to mention the block. Kyrie doesn't get the game ball for making one fukking shot - that's what he's supposed to do. Kyrie's game isn't assists. Anybody who watches the games knows this. He's elite at what he does, which is score from every level on the floor. Lebron's been a playmaker his entire career. And your reaching with the 5-16 shooting, because everybody watched Barnes miss open shot, after open shot, and Iggy is a streaky shooter at best. No doubt he had Curry scared to enter the lane. The block was amazing, which set up Kyrie's shot, but the last 3 minutes of the game was sloppy, and nobody had scored for a few possessions before Kyrie hit that 3. Bron was good enough that you shouldn't have to stretch the truth to try and prove a point.


Lebron was clearly better in 4 games and had the edge in two more, with the last being a toss up. Kyrie wasn't the most important Cav on both ends in even one game.:dwillhuh:... Where did I try and make that argument?:heh:

I swear, ya'all won't give Lebron his credit unless he is the best player on both sides of the ball in every game, leads all players in scoring, assists, rebounds, blocks, and steals, and dominates in the fourth quarters while his team wins the series.

Oh, wait, ya still trying to make up shyt even if he do all dat. :mjgrin:

Clearly you didn't really read my first post because I said Bron was the MVP, and he was better overall than Kyrie. You just wanted to rant and praise Bron. Yall act like saying Kyrie was better offensively, is a slight to Bron. Newflash, Kyrie has way better ball skills than Bron, he is better offensively than Bron, and there are a host of others in the league in that same category. That doesn' mean they are better than Bron, but the only topic I addressed was you saying Bron's scoring was just as timely, and pivotal if not more so than Kyrie's. I am arguing the opposite. But Bron was clearly the MVP of the series. It's right there in the first and last sentence of my 1st post. I'm in no way trying to slight Bron, nor take anything away from his greatness. He had one of the best overall performances in Finals history, but that doesn't mean Kyrie's points didn't come at more pivotal/crucial times.
 

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Who put the cavs in the position to win each game in last years finals and who actually won them the games is the difference between Lebron and kyrie.

In the coli all everyone argues is stats. I'm just going by what appears to the naked eye.

Finals MVP isn't awarded the same way as, say an NBA season MVP award. It's more on who made the biggest impact in games when it counted.

The problem is your naked eye is fukking retarded. Do assists, playmaking, rebounding, defense, and scoring similar matter less?
 

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the only thing this thread has shown is how little we appreciate defensive plays :francis:

nikkas are hung up on flashy crossovers, fade aways and trick shots :snoop:
 

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The problem is your naked eye is fukking retarded. Do assists, playmaking, rebounding, defense, and scoring similar matter less?

I'm talking effect on the game in the most critical moments which decide the series or the out come of individual games. Certain players step up when it's most needed.

Stats don't show this.

Meanwhile other players are great throughout but don't necessarily have as much of an impact when it matters most.

If you look at previous finals MVP players who have had a bigger impact without the best stats have won over the "star" player

How do you explain Andre Igoadola winning 2 years ago? :manny:
 
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