So how did atheism become a trait of intellectual people?

[Marlostanfield.]

That brainwashing is strong. I'll pray for you.

Your ego is so big you can't even accept being wrong.

Safe travels on your journey , it might take you a million years before you wake up and become enlightened. Some souls cling to this world and never want to let it go.

 

[ShadowBroker]

Personally, I don't know if god exists and frankly I don't care. While I don't think people who are atheistic/agnostic are intellectually superior, I do tend to have better conversations, like these, with people not handicapped by their theism/s.

 

[JahFocus CS]

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That is the western Michael Angelo depiction which most thiests disagree with.

I'm not talking about a visual depiction. I'm talking about the notion that there's a sentient, omniscient being that oversees, directs, or even cares about human affairs.

 

[Ciggavelli]

Link? I assume you mean religious groups have funded scientific research for centuries; this doesn't equate to God=Science having some practical connection.

I took a ton of History of Science classes as an undergrad (I have a PhD now). I can't remember the exact books, but here is a list of books that explain the close relationship between religion and science.

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=the+history+of+science+and+religion

The separation between science and religion is a modern phenomenon (like in the last 100 years). Most of the great scientists of the ages were religious men. shyt, Newton studied science to learn more about god, for example.

 

[Blackout]

I never understood the logic of if I can’t see it or observe it then there is no possibility of it’s existence

That logic isn’t intelligent nor open minded in the least

 

[Take It In Blood]

I took a ton of History of Science classes as an undergrad (I have a PhD now). I can't remember the exact books, but here is a list of books that will undoubtedly explain the close relationship between religion and science.

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=the+history+of+science+and+religion

The separation between science and religion is a modern phenomenon (like in the last 100 years). Most of the great scientists of the ages were religious men. shyt, Newton studied science to learn more about god

I don't think anyone is denying that. The Catholic church ran with an iron fist and literally everything came through them.

quick ghetto summary of religion in human existence

- We evolved into homo sapiens from homo erectus/earlier hominids

- We're frightened of....everything..... and We understand....nothing......so we assign magic men in the sky to jobs like controlling rain, thunder, oceans, jealously, love etc , we have have plenty of Gods that control plenty of things we don't understand

- People get tired of the many gods and decide that there should be one God, millions die in the process but eventually everyone agrees upon this idea.

- Institutions and governments are formed in the name of this one God that creates everything

- one of the institutions happens to be the study of natural philosophy, examining all of Gods supposed creations

- Newton becomes a product of such traditions and thus a product of his time- A bunch of folks like Galileo Galilei, Hypatia and many others begin to realize through such observations that the church/religious institutions in charge were mostly (if not completely) spewing some of them are killed for it, so they keep quiet.

- Scientific revolution, yadda yadda, Charles Darwin comes along and explains why believing in Genesis is dumb and how you're an essentially an evolved ape, JFK comes along, The Moon, Nasa, Hubble Space Telescope, Lucy's skeleton is found, Star Trek, Human Genome project, Higgs Boson particle, Carl Sagan, Neil Degrassi Tyson, computers, internet, artificial intelligence......Humanity evolves out of the religious superstition it was birthed out of and we all become Captain Picard status going where no man has gone before.


Don't really understand the point you're trying to make. I'm sure chocolate or orange juice was probably created during the Christian rule. Still don't see the point ur trying to make. Everyone during Newtons time was religious, the term atheist didn't even exist. He was a product of his environment and his time (and also kind of a weirdo, died a virgin)


- Meanwhile on the other side of town

 

[Ciggavelli]

I don't think anyone is denying that. The Catholic church ran with an iron fist and literally everything came through them.

quick ghetto summary of religion in human existence

- We evolved into homo sapiens from homo erectus/earlier hominids

- We're frightened of....everything..... and We understand....nothing......so we assign magic men in the sky to jobs like controlling rain, thunder, oceans, jealously, love etc , we have have plenty of Gods that control plenty of things we don't understand

- People get tired of the many gods and decide that there should be one God, millions die in the process but eventually everyone agrees upon this idea.

- Institutions and governments are formed in the name of this one God that creates everything

- one of the institutions happens to be the study of natural philosophy, examining all of Gods supposed creations

- Newton becomes a product of such traditions and thus a product of his time- A bunch of folks like Galileo Galilei, Hypatia and many others begin to realize through such observations that the church/religious institutions in charge were mostly (if not completely) spewing some of them are killed for it, so they keep quiet.

- Scientific revolution, yadda yadda, Charles Darwin comes along and explains why believing in Genesis is dumb and how you're an essentially an evolved ape, JFK comes along, The Moon, Nasa, Hubble Space Telescope, Lucy's skeleton is found, Star Trek, Human Genome project, Higgs Boson particle, Carl Sagan, Neil Degrassi Tyson, computers, internet, artificial intelligence......Humanity evolves out of the religious superstition it was birthed out of and we all become Captain Picard status going where no man has gone before.


Don't really understand the point you're trying to make. I'm sure chocolate or orange juice was probably created during the Christian rule. Still don't see the point ur trying to make. Everyone during Newtons time was religious, the term atheist didn't even exist. He was a product of his environment and his time (and also kind of a weirdo, died a virgin)


- Meanwhile on the other side of town

I think you answered you own question. Science and religion have been intertwined for most of history. It's only in the last 100 years that science and religion have been separated.

I just went to the the wiki on science and religion, and it sums up the relationship between religion and science well.

Relationship between religion and science - Wikipedia

Scholars aren't in agreement. I can see what you're saying, but I also see the other perspectives. The wiki page is a good summary.

 

[Take It In Blood]

I think you answered you own question. Science and religion have been intertwined for most of history. It's only in the last 100 years that science and religion have been separated.

I just went to the the wiki on science and religion, and it sums up the relationship between religion and science well.

Relationship between religion and science - Wikipedia

Scholars aren't in agreement. I can see what you're saying, but I also see the other perspectives. The wiki page is a good summary.

Wouldn't u agree that a lot has happened in terms of the progress of human understanding in the last 100 yrs?

So why would that surprised you? It's pretty much what you'd expect to happen.

It was much easier for someone to follow a religion before Darwin and Genetics. (Darwin himself was religious and struggled with his finding/research)

Its much harder to do so now though, unless you turn a blind eye and stick your fingers in your ears.

In fact I'm honest enough to admit that if it wasn't for those two things I'd probably still be religious at very moment.​

 

[Ciggavelli]

Wouldn't u agree that a lot has happened in terms of the progress of human understanding in the last 100 yrs?

So why would that surprised you? It's pretty much what you'd expect to happen.

It was much easier for someone to follow a religion before Darwin and Genetics. (Darwin himself was religious and struggled with his finding/research)

Its much harder to do so now though, unless you turn a blind eye and stick your fingers in your ears.

In fact I'm honest enough to admit that if it wasn't for those two things I'd probably still religious at very moment.​

Honestly, I hate religion. I'm anti-religion in my viewpoints. I believe in absolute infinity. God is absolute infinity in my opinion. (check out Cantor's ideas....Georg Cantor - Wikipedia).

However, the divide between science and religion in today's world, has been blown out of proportion by some high profile scholars. But, and as the religion and science wiki I posted earlier said, "Events in Europe such as the Galileo affair, associated with the scientific revolution and the Age of Enlightenment, led scholars such as John William Draper to postulate a conflict thesis, holding that religion and science have been in conflict methodologically, factually and politically throughout history. This thesis is held by some contemporary scientists such as Richard Dawkins, Steven Weinberg and Carl Sagan, and some creationists. While the conflict thesis remains popular for the public, it has lost favor among most contemporary historians of science."

I'm just going by what I learned while taking various history of science classes (which were the most enlightening classes I've ever taken. After digging in to the history of science, you'll learn that basically everything we know, changes every 200 years or so).

 

[Ciggavelli]

Wouldn't u agree that a lot has happened in terms of the progress of human understanding in the last 100 yrs?

So why would that surprised you? It's pretty much what you'd expect to happen.

It was much easier for someone to follow a religion before Darwin and Genetics. (Darwin himself was religious and struggled with his finding/research)

Its much harder to do so now though, unless you turn a blind eye and stick your fingers in your ears.

In fact I'm honest enough to admit that if it wasn't for those two things I'd probably still be religious at very moment.​

Also, I'm a big fan of Darwin, evolution, and genetics. I wanted to be an Evolutionary Psychologist before I switched to organizational psychology. There is no conflict between god and evolution. It's only a conflict if you have a very narrow view of religion.

On the other hand, I also do not believe in time, existentially. Without time, you can't have change, and without change, you can't have evolution. So, from an existential perspective, I think evolution is not possible. But, from a real-world, rational viewpoint, I absolutely believe evolution is true. I can hold opposed viewpoints on a topic, and it doesn't bother me.

 

[duckbutta]

Because in order to believe that god is real...you have to believe some pretty wild shyt...

 

[timeless]

Because they believe that they can explain how things came to be, how they work, and their purpose better than someone who believes in God.

The only people I know who think like that are atheists themselves. And I really only see them online as no one in real life gaf about what you believe... or don't believe.

 

[ba'al]

Goofy ass nikkas spamming the same topic

Shout out to @Prince Mongo for copying and pasting the same shyt. Why not just bump this thread. WHy ya'lll mfers like spamming the same shyt?

Why is atheism considered an attribute of intelligence?

I'd rather redo a thread that might actually prompt some intellectual discussion or breakthrough, than another thread

Lmao he said he did it intentionally too. Just post in this one. The ideas and thoughts you're looking to engage in have already been posted. Why make a new thread?

 

[MegaManX]

They "associate" it because Religion is usually based on being a complete dumb ass and since smart people tend to hate dumb asses, they can't reasonably stay religious.

Now does that mean ALL smart people are atheist? Of course not.

It is the personality of the smart person. For instance, the Vatican has a crap load of scientists in it. When you interview them, they will tell you there is definitely life on other planets, there is definitely things in the bible that simply can't be proven, and that most people are delusional in their own religion.

BUT

They are still practicing catholics.

A belief system is not an intelligence system. If you can't relate to certain people, you just can't.


Now for the rebuttal of the "most stuff in history was done by religious people" jargon. Religion is notorious for killing, imprisoning, and purging all signs of contempt in the public. The period was literally called the DARK AGE for a reason. Religion ruled with an iron fist and as a result, Europe fell into a 1000 year cesspool.

nikkas was running to Africa and America just to get away from the iron fist of the Church.

 

[The Fade]

It all started with the whole Socrates affair probably