So I guess we’re just defying the Supreme Court now(Update: Question still on mailed forms 8/10)

[Professor Emeritus]

We should encourage MAGAs to refuse to fill out the census as a form of protest.

"There not being a citizenship question delegitimizes the entire census."

This needs to happen.

Especially in states and districts dominated by their type.

 

[newworldafro]

Why We Ask About... Age

History of place of birth, citizenship, year of entry questions
Citizenship originated with the 1820 Census, place of birth originated with the 1850 Census, and year of entry originated with the 1890 Census. They transferred to the ACS in 2005 when it replaced the decennial census long form.

Stop ginning up hysteria: Citizenship question on census is nothing new

Lost in this partisan uproar is that a citizenship question has appeared in some form or another on censuses throughout our history. Indeed, it was only removed entirely in 2010 by President Obama, and its roots stretch deep into the founding era. It's worth detailing the history to dispel all the false narratives.

A question about citizenship was proposed for the first time in 1800 by Thomas Jefferson, who advocated for an inquiry into "the respective numbers of native citizens, citizens of foreign birth, and of aliens." His straightforward reason for wanting such a question was "for the purpose of more exactly distinguishing the increase of population by birth and immigration." Jefferson got his wish just two decades later, when a version of his question appeared on the census of 1820, which asked how many "foreigners not naturalized" lived in each household.

 

[newworldafro]

Why We Ask About... Age

History of place of birth, citizenship, year of entry questions
Citizenship originated with the 1820 Census, place of birth originated with the 1850 Census, and year of entry originated with the 1890 Census. They transferred to the ACS in 2005 when it replaced the decennial census long form.

Stop ginning up hysteria: Citizenship question on census is nothing new

Lost in this partisan uproar is that a citizenship question has appeared in some form or another on censuses throughout our history. Indeed, it was only removed entirely in 2010 by President Obama, and its roots stretch deep into the founding era. It's worth detailing the history to dispel all the false narratives.

A question about citizenship was proposed for the first time in 1800 by Thomas Jefferson, who advocated for an inquiry into "the respective numbers of native citizens, citizens of foreign birth, and of aliens." His straightforward reason for wanting such a question was "for the purpose of more exactly distinguishing the increase of population by birth and immigration." Jefferson got his wish just two decades later, when a version of his question appeared on the census of 1820, which asked how many "foreigners not naturalized" lived in each household.

Don Cheeto didn't just make this up, BHO just up and decided, non-citizens will determine Congressional districts after 200 years of precedent, when that is only something for citizens to do.......what's next non-citizens voting in federal, state, and local elections (I know later two already happening)??

It's hilarious how nobody is asking why BHO removed 200 years of established precedent on the census. So now jokers, from anywhere in the world, non-citizens can determine how taxes are allocated and Congressional districting????

 

[Mowgli]

Don Cheeto didn't just make this up, BHO just up and decided, non-citizens will determine Congressional districts after 200 years of precedent, when that is only something for citizens to do.......what's next non-citizens voting in federal, state, and local elections (I know later two already happening)??

It's hilarious how nobody is asking why BHO removed 200 years of established precedent on the census. So now jokers, from anywhere in the world, non-citizens can determine how taxes are allocated and Congressional districting????

Damn is that a fact?

 

[newworldafro]

Damn is that a fact?

Check the links I put up in my first post.

I'm assuming if you're counting non-citizens as part of the population, then you are going to shift populations, which shifts Congressional districts, which determines how much money a state will receive in federal funding. If BHO removed citizenship on census for 2010, then I'm assuming we are operating under that rule now.

I'm no Trump Stan, but I like facts.
They saying Trump is trying to reinstate a 200 year precedent because he's racist. Yet, they don't explain or mention that BHO did away with a 200 year precedent. They're muddying the waters for the public to be confused about this rule.

 

[Dat Migo]

NPR Choice page

Fact check

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Politifacts explains the Citizenship question that Obama supposedly removed.

Meadows wrong that Obama removed census citizenship question

The fate of the Trump administration’s census citizenship question rests in the hands of the Supreme Court, but debate over the issue has been swirling in Congress.

During Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross’ March 14 testimony before the House Oversight and Reform Committee, Rep. Mark Meadows, R-N.C. and a leader of the House Freedom Caucus, said asking about citizenship is nothing out of the ordinary.

"The previous administration under President Barack Obama really was the first time that we didn’t ask a citizenship-type question," Meadows said in a question to Ross. "For the first time in a century, a citizenship question was not included in 2010."

Meadows, who represents North Carolina’s 11th Congressional District, which includes the state’s westernmost counties, made the same claim at an earlier point in the testimony, saying citizenship questions were a staple of censuses "prior to 2010, when President Obama decided not to include a citizenship question on the census."

But Meadows’ statements muddle the facts because the citizenship question did not disappear entirely during the Obama years.

Here’s what Meadows got wrong.

Has a citizenship question been asked before?
The answer is complicated.

The census has been administered every decade since 1790 to get a national population count used for determining the distribution of seats in Congress. The 1790 census asked for the name of the head of the family and the number of people in each household, including slaves.

According to a history published by the U.S. Census Bureau in 2009, a question asking about citizenship status first showed up in 1820 and 1830. It was then asked of males ages 21 and older in 1870, and has appeared as a general question every decade since 1890, with the exception of 1960, when it was removed for unexplained reasons.

What’s unique about the Trump administration’s proposal is that the question would be asked of all U.S. households.

The last time the Census Bureau came close to asking every household about citizenship status was in 1950.

That year, census workers knocked on doors to fill out the census by interviewing the residents of American households. They jotted down where each person was born and, in a follow-up question for those born outside the U.S., asked, "If foreign born — is he naturalized?"

But because citizenship was the subject of a follow-up question, not every U.S. household was asked about it, said D. Sunshine Hillygus, professor of political science at Duke University and a former member of the Census Scientific Advisory Committee.

"Census workers asked about citizenship as a follow-up question only to those households who reported someone was born outside the United States," she said.

A decade later, the 1960 census asked about place of birth but not about citizenship. Then, beginning in 1970, the Census Bureau started distributing two different questionnaires: a short form sent to most households and a long form sent to about 1 in 6 households. Only the long form asked about citizenship.

In 2000, for example, respondents who got the long-form questionnaire were asked, "Is this person a CITIZEN of the United States?" But those who received the short form were only asked for the basics, such as name, date of birth, sex, and race.

What did Obama change in 2010?
The 2010 census ditched the long form, using only a 10-question short-form questionnaire that did not ask about citizenship.


That’s because the Census Bureau had also started collecting demographic and socioeconomic information through the American Community Survey, or ACS, which is sent every year to approximately 3.5 million households and does inquire about citizenship status.

Meadows’ spokesman Ben Williamson said the congressman "was talking about the first time the decennial census was without a citizenship question on either the long form or short form."

But Meadows’ claim that 2010 was "the first time that we didn’t ask a citizenship-type question" gets the history wrong, since the Census Bureau asked about citizenship that year via the ACS, which effectively replaced the long form and was sent to a sample of households.

"The Census Bureau has long measured citizenship within the U.S. population (including in the Obama administration), but not as part of the decennial census of all U.S. households," Hillygus wrote in an email to PolitiFact North Carolina. "So, the proposed citizenship question on the 2020 decennial census is a new addition to the census of all American households."


"We already have access to quality data on our citizens and non-citizens alike through the ACS," added Terry Ao Minnis, director of census and voting programs at Asian Americans Advancing Justice, a legal and civil rights group. "In 2010, a citizenship question was asked on the ACS."


It has been asked every year since.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Cacs defending this shyt still

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

What an absolute fool

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

DOJ reverses, says it's trying to find ways to include citizenship question on 2020 census

 

[dtownreppin214]

Cool?
Legal?

pelosi is cool with it.

 

[mc_brew]

edit 2: bozo uncapitulated.....

 

[Secure Da Bag]

edit 2: bozo uncapitulated.....

I was gonna suggest the exactly same thing.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

He's gonna use it as a cheap pop tomorrow