So I'm watching the Nick Cannon talk show and.....yeah

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

to be a good talk show host you gotta he a good facilitator. Its like how in sports a coach prob had a mid/trash career as an athlete BUT their understanding of dynamics that = success are top notch.

like a GOAT comedian may be trash as a host because facilitating people isnt really required, and its a different skill than say controlling the crowd

He would have been better off starting as part of an ensemble cast of hosts like The Talk where he could have people to bounce off of and learn a bit from rather than being thrown into the fire like he was. Not everyone is a natural at it like Kelly Clarkson is and it could totally be a situation of where he eventually figures it out like Sherri Shepard seems to have.

To be completely honest, I do think it was a bit unfair to him that they expected him to be able to replace Wendy Williams which is honestly the reason I think his show got picked up in the first place. He just isn't that type of person and host that would throw people under the bus like that.

 

[NoMoreWhiteWoman2020]

Is it worse than the Magic Johnson show?

 

[concise]

Conana O'brien is a Havard white boy and he knows his comedy very well (he studied the likes of Bill Burr, Patric O'Neal etc and he understands what funny is).

Conan O'Brien is older than both of those dudes and was working for Saturday Night Live and The Simpsons way before those dudes even got started in comedy.

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

Conan O'Brien is older than both of those dudes and was working for Saturday Night Live and The Simpsons way before those dudes even got started in comedy.

ppl so ignorant

 

[tuckgod]

menouvre.

 

[Cape Town JHB]

Conan O'Brien is older than both of those dudes and was working for Saturday Night Live and The Simpsons way before those dudes even got started in comedy.

That's not what I meant. But cool

 

[Cape Town JHB]

His talk show is daytime airing. OP must have been watching a late night showing or had an episode recorded. The daytime demographic is tough to get your footing in as even Drew Barrymore is struggling with her talk show.

Nick should do well in a daytime though. Yeah that's basically white housewives demographic.
They like a Steve Harvey type of guy.

Nick Cannon is very non-threatening.. But I doubt even he can fake it enough for daytime.
I'd never wish a daytime slot on anyone

 

[Cape Town JHB]

You doing a lot here
Jay Leno and Jimmy Fallon had/have a show
Come on

Jay Leno was part of Comedy Store, he's old school Boston comic. He understands funny.

Jimmy Fallon is talentless Hollywood hack werido who owes favors to whatever gatekeepers allowed his talentless ass to get a prime time spot.

All that cringe hysterical fake laughing, not connecting to guests, no comedic timing (did Fallon EVER do stand up?) etc... The one thing that endears Fallon is the fact that he's corny and doesn't mind making himself the butt of the joke.. Be it dressing up in some funny/goofy costume or doing a viral dance and deliberately "embarrassing" himself, but as an actual late night host, he's atrocious.
I have nothing against him.
He gave the Roots their biggest Showbiz look, always gave black underground comics a spot.. He's cool. But he is not a good late night talk host.

BTW Jay Leno has been on Autopilot for about 20 years now... He really couldn't be bothered. Smile and wave and give me my money approach.

 

[Ziggiy]

A late night talk show is the ultimate test of being able to MIDDLE.
A great comic couldn't do it either, it takes a comic who has an eclectic taste in a wide range of issues but more importantly has the charisma and social IQ to know how to menouvre with various aspects of the show.

Conana O'brien is a Havard white boy and he knows his comedy very well (he studied the likes of Bill Burr, Patric O'Neal etc and he understands what funny is).

Same goes for David Letterman (his closest comic friend was the great Norm Macdonald).

People see extremely intelligent, charismatic and high social/emotional IQ individuals do something and think "that's doable, I can do that".

Racism however has prevented some great black comics who had the temperament to run a late night talk show.

Arsenio Hall was decent, but nothing special. They tried giving Chris Rock on HBO one, but Chris Rock is too good of a comic/loner /weirdo... He lacked the social cool it guy aspect.

Paul Mooney would've been a great late night host, another one would've been one of the Wayne's brothers (not sure if Keenan or Damon).. But it's rare to find someone who is both funny and understands funny and has natural charisma AND is willing to play the game and pretend to be interested in a whole lot of guests they don't give a damn about.

Nick Cannon doesn't even do a good podcast.

1). Arsenio Hall was an INCREDIBLE late night host. You wildin on that take


2). Keenan Ivory Wayans DID have his own talk show in the late 90’s and it failed

 

[Cape Town JHB]

1). Arsenio Hall was an INCREDIBLE late night host. You wildin on that take


2). Keenan Ivory Wayans DID have his own talk show in the late 90’s and it failed

What specifically makes you say Arsenio Hall was INCREDIBLE?... The era was incredible, not him.

And what made his come back show a few years ago flop so bad?.. It was atrocious if you watched it.

I had no idea Keenan actually did a show like that.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

A late night talk show is the ultimate test of being able to MIDDLE.
A great comic couldn't do it either, it takes a comic who has an eclectic taste in a wide range of issues but more importantly has the charisma and social IQ to know how to menouvre with various aspects of the show.

Conana O'brien is a Havard white boy and he knows his comedy very well (he studied the likes of Bill Burr, Patric O'Neal etc and he understands what funny is).

Same goes for David Letterman (his closest comic friend was the great Norm Macdonald).

People see extremely intelligent, charismatic and high social/emotional IQ individuals do something and think "that's doable, I can do that".

Racism however has prevented some great black comics who had the temperament to run a late night talk show.

Arsenio Hall was decent, but nothing special. They tried giving Chris Rock on HBO one, but Chris Rock is too good of a comic/loner /weirdo... He lacked the social cool it guy aspect.

Paul Mooney would've been a great late night host, another one would've been one of the Wayne's brothers (not sure if Keenan or Damon).. But it's rare to find someone who is both funny and understands funny and has natural charisma AND is willing to play the game and pretend to be interested in a whole lot of guests they don't give a damn about.

Nick Cannon doesn't even do a good podcast.

I was with you till this part. Arsenio was iconic. You wouldn't know that in the UK or South Africa or wherever you are, but dude's show got bigger than the white led late night shows.

The ONLY thing that ended him was his interview with farrakhan that cacs here didn't like. They got him out the paint after that even tho his ratings were better than Letterman and Leno.

When he tried to come back to it in the 2010s, too much time went by and he had understandably lost a step. Late night comedy isn't something you can stop for 15 years and come back to like nothing changed. The way he ran his show 15 years prior was not gonna work today. He didn't have the chance to evolve his show with the times that the other late night hosts had.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

Nick is like Oprah, great at networking and dependable to get the job done thus they get bags which accumulate into massive wealth BUT they arent generational talent or innovative where they create and carry things if that makes sense?

like they are good employees but not great creators

Oprah created the most iconic TV show in daytime history that to this day, is still looked at as the golden standard.

If yall not in America, y'all need to stop speaking on American things that you don't understand cause you sound ridiculous right now.

Oprah is a generational talent, innovative and she both created and carried her show for decades, so much so that she was essentially a kingmaker for Obama in 2008. He directly credits her support for helping him get the votes of white women, who were one of his biggest voting blocs.

 

[Cape Town JHB]

I was with you till this part. Arsenio was iconic. You wouldn't know that in the UK or South Africa or wherever you are, but dude's show got bigger than the white led late night shows.

The ONLY thing that ended him was his interview with farrakhan that cacs here didn't like. They got him out the paint after that even tho his ratings were better than Letterman and Leno.

When he tried to come back to it in the 2010s, too much time went by and he had understandably lost a step. Late night comedy isn't something you can stop for 15 years and come back to like nothing changed. The way he ran his show 15 years prior was not gonna work today. He didn't have the chance to evolve his show with the times that the other late night hosts had.

I still don't think Arsenio Hall has the charisma to carry a talk show for decades, I've rewatched many of his shows from his heyday without the nostalgic bias (coz you Coli brehs are old).

I don't wanna get into why he got blackballed coz it's bigger than Farrakhan.

I wish Coli had a conspiracy side of the forum.

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

It's a reason comedians thrive at these kind of shows. I like Nick but yeah this ain't it.

Ya'll feeling it?

Bro the intro song to the show is trash

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

I still don't think Arsenio Hall has the charisma to carry a talk show for decades, I've rewatched many of his shows from his heyday without the nostalgic bias (coz you Coli brehs are old).

I don't wanna get into why he got blackballed coz it's bigger than Farrakhan.

I wish Coli had a conspiracy side of the forum.

Breh, you overseas. How you gon tell us what's really happening in America? That's bogus as hell