So I'm watching the Nick Cannon talk show and.....yeah

[Cape Town JHB]

Had very good numbers so it's still not completely clear. See below.


The Backstory
For those who were wondering why Steve Harvey stopped doing one talk show just to come back with a new one that was essentially the same thing, the answer is simple: contract negotiations. After five seasons of Steve Harvey, Steve’s contract with NBCUniversal Television Distribution ended and he opted not to renew. Instead, he started a new deal with IMG Original Content. In his new deal, Steve had more creative control over the show, a higher salary, and more ownership. While this was great for him, it caused a bit of a rift between IMG Original Content and NBC.

According to an article from Variety that was released when the show was canceled, “The demise of “Steve” raises the question of whether Harvey’s show was a casualty of animosity between NBCUniversal and Endeavor’s IMG Original Content over IMG’s takeover of the show two seasons ago…NBCUniversal executives were furious at losing their stake in Harvey’s show after the transition to IMG, even though it remained the distributor of “Steve.”

The article from Variety also noted, ” for new stations in New York, Los Angeles, Chicago and other major markets to keep Harvey on the air in syndication. “Steve” was also shopped to cable and digital buyers.” Unfortunately, none of those efforts were successful and the show would ultimately be replaced by The Kelly Clarkson Show which has now been renewed through 2023.

Steve’s Reaction
As you can probably guess, Steve Harvey wasn’t thrilled about having his talk show canceled, but he didn’t have any resentment towards Kelly Clarkson for getting his spot. During an interview with Ellen DeGeneres, Steve said, “You know, I’m a person of faith, so when a door closes for me, I just walk up the hall. It’s more doors,” he continued. “You’ve just got to keep going up the hall. So I open other doors and I’m back on TV and I’m happy for everybody. I like Kelly Clarkson, I’m happy for her.” Steve also went on to launch a digital show on Facebook Live called STEVE on Watch. The show currently has a followin

They gave his slot to KELLY CLARKSON

Damn those Jews are vicious... Didn't wanna pay him or give him creative control and didn't want him going to get a better deal elsewhere.. Sounds about white.

One thing I know about Showbiz is that it's got nothing to do with talent, ratings or money. But hey Steve is a snake himself, he'll know all about that

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

But Miriam Makeba was a for the most part a Jazz Vocalist, so if you're a musical head and I have no interest in that music, you could easily know and have a far more nuanced opinion on her than me.

2ndly being South African doesn't give me super powers on Zulu history, Nelson Mandela etc etc matter of fact the best historian I've ever heard on SA history is Dr John Henrik Clarke, the best social thinker on all of Africa and Africans was from Alabama and based in Harlem, Dr Amos N Wilson. (neither of these 2 black AMERICAN men ever set foot in South Africa).

You talk about DOMINANT CULTURE, that's some white Eurocentric world view.


I have had debates with Zulu guys on the Zulu Royal family, Zulu history etc , respectfully.

You think my understanding of black culture is limited to your "dominant black American culture"... Its not.
I have an interest in black people in the Caribbean, Afro Colombia, Haiti, Afro Brazil and many other places that aren't mainstream or "dominant".

I have an opinion on something... A guy in Haiti might disagree with me on Papa Doc, and I could even change my views, but him saying "you're South African you'll never know anything about Haiti" is an odd paradigm to operate from.

Very odd.

America IS the dominant culture of the world. America is essentially in charge of the world when we want to be. The world police, last superpower, all that jazz.

That's not a white eurocentric view. That's just facts.

I dont mind you having an interest in America or in black America, brother. Im not on that whole fba/ados foolery.

The ONLY point I was making is that you don't have a better understanding of black American icons than I do.

You say that perhaps I could tell you something about Miriam Makeba that you didn't know. While thats true, if we got in a discussion and you told me that I had some incorrect info, I would defer to you as you're there in her country and it stands to reason that you would know more than I do.

She's a popular singer worldwide but in your nation, she's more than that, she's a hero, an icon. So of course you would be able to tell me some things that I don't know and would be more of an authority on her than I would be.

Have your opinion. You're entitled to that. But im saying its a mark of arrogance for me to tell you that your opinion is wrong based on facts that I have, and then you try to argue me down based on your perch from south Africa when I'm here and these people that we are discussing have been icons my entire life. I grew up on them, my family and communities grew up on these people.

Maybe just maybe.... I know more about them than you do.

That's all I'm saying. Nothing more nothing less.

 

[Cape Town JHB]

America IS the dominant culture of the world. America is essentially in charge of the world when we want to be. The world police, last superpower, all that jazz.

That's not a white eurocentric view. That's just facts.

I dont mind you having an interest in America or in black America, brother. Im not on that whole fba/ados foolery.

The ONLY point I was making is that you don't have a better understanding of black American icons than I do.

You say that perhaps I could tell you something about Miriam Makeba that you didn't know. While thats true, if we got in a discussion and you told me that I had some incorrect info, I would defer to you as you're there in her country and it stands to reason that you would know more than I do.

She's a popular singer worldwide but in your nation, she's more than that, she's a hero, an icon. So of course you would be able to tell me some things that I don't know and would be more of an authority on her than I would be.

Have your opinion. You're entitled to that. But im saying its a mark of arrogance for me to tell you that your opinion is wrong based on facts that I have, and then you try to argue me down based on your perch from south Africa when I'm here and these people that we are discussing have been icons my entire life. I grew up on them, my family and communities grew up on these people.

Maybe just maybe.... I know more about them than you do.

That's all I'm saying. Nothing more nothing less.

But why should I change my opinion on whether or not I think a black American man is GREAT at hosting a talk show.
Why should I defer to you immediately coz it's a hero from your culture. I don't think he's a GREAT at doing a talk show. He's a legend, an icon etc...

There's a South African Trumpet player, very famous in Jazz circles, the late Hugh Masekela if you don't find his playing great, and you prefer Miles Davis or Lee Morgan, you're not arguing in legendary status, cultural impact or what he means to SA jazz, you just think that he's not a GREAT trumpet player.

I can't tell you to defer to me, coz me and Hugh Masekela are both Xhosa.


I don't identify as a South African, very few people do. There's no real national pride here, coz we're just a bunch of colonized black nations (Zulu nation, Xhosa, Sotho etc) forced to cohabitate with whites for the benefit of white Anglo saxons globally.

And all of this is based my own individual taste in terms of what we were originally talking about.. I prefer the David Letterman, Conan O'Brien type of late night hosting.

Trevor Noah for example is ATROCIOUS(especially his stand up and on the Daily Show) to me and to other South Africans he's a hero and an icon.

Why do you refer to the white dominant Anglo American empire, the child of the British empire, as "we"?

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

They gave his slot to KELLY CLARKSON

Damn those Jews are vicious... Didn't wanna pay him or give him creative control and didn't want him going to get a better deal elsewhere.. Sounds about white.

One thing I know about Showbiz is that it's got nothing to do with talent, ratings or money. But hey Steve is a snake himself, he'll know all about that

You could made the valid argument that they made the right decision with how popular her show was compared to his. The ratings for his show were meg which is why they tried moving to a new location and changing the name to get more guest in and it still failed.

That’s no shot at Steve, but it’s the truth. There was a reason why he couldn’t get the show picked up anywhere and why he had to do FB Watch. He’d still rather be on network television if he had the choice for do so, but people keep taking offense to that comment.

 

[Sex Luthor]

It's bad, he's just not naturally funny. Comedians need to host these shows, and Nick isn't that. His writers can't save him here.

Sounds like he just reminded us why we feel the way we do about Nick Cannon. No matter how cool he looks or acts he still Nick "corny ass" Cannon at the end of the day

 

[NoirDynosaur]

Being a "great" host is the same as being an effective leader. Charisma, social skills, emotional intelligence, humorous and cool to be around with. And lot of ENERGY. Male or female.

Oprah, Craig Ferguson, Conan O'Brien, Jay Leno just to name a few stand out.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

But why should I change my opinion on whether or not I think a black American man is GREAT at hosting a talk show.
Why should I defer to you immediately coz it's a hero from your culture. I don't think he's a GREAT at doing a talk show. He's a legend, an icon etc...

There's a South African Trumpet player, very famous in Jazz circles, the late Hugh Masekela if you don't find his playing great, and you prefer Miles Davis or Lee Morgan, you're not arguing in legendary status, cultural impact or what he means to SA jazz, you just think that he's not a GREAT trumpet player.

I can't tell you to defer to me, coz me and Hugh Masekela are both Xhosa.


I don't identify as a South African, very few people do. There's no real national pride here, coz we're just a bunch of colonized black nations (Zulu nation, Xhosa, Sotho etc) forced to cohabitate with whites for the benefit of white Anglo saxons globally.

And all of this is based my own individual taste in terms of what we were originally talking about.. I prefer the David Letterman, Conan O'Brien type of late night hosting.

Trevor Noah for example is ATROCIOUS(especially his stand up and on the Daily Show) to me and to other South Africans he's a hero and an icon.

Why do you refer to the white dominant Anglo American empire, the child of the British empire, as "we"?

See now you want to move the goalposts.

You didn't just say he was good or bad in your opinion. You spoke on the merits of why the show got canceled and why he got blackballed as if you, in South Africa, know more about it than I do when I grew up on the show and remember when and why it happened


You can have your opinion of whether he's good or not. That's not what I'm arguing with you. I'm arguing you telling me you know more about why he got canceled than I do.

I refer to America as "we" because even though there are a lot of divisions here, there is a national pride about America. My forefathers built this land and I have as much right to it as any white man in America. You may not understand that because as you said, there is no national pride in South Africa. So the idea of national pride seems to be alien to you.

I have a lot of issues with this country, but I'm smart enough to realize that this country affords me way more opportunities than I would have in another country. My family is in a better situation in America than we would be most anywhere else. (As the country currently stands at least. If Trump gets back in office )

 

[Cape Town JHB]

Being a "great" host is the same as being an effective leader. Charisma, social skills, emotional intelligence, humorous and cool to be around with. And lot of ENERGY. Male or female.

Oprah, Craig Ferguson, Conan O'Brien, Jay Leno just to name a few stand out.

Craig Ferguson is really good at it. He's just "too British" for an American audience to fully embrace him, and British TV is too corny for a guy of his talents.

 

[Born2BKing]

Being a "great" host is the same as being an effective leader. Charisma, social skills, emotional intelligence, humorous and cool to be around with. And lot of ENERGY. Male or female.

Oprah, Craig Ferguson, Conan O'Brien, Jay Leno just to name a few stand out.

What ya'll think about Kimmel and Fallon? @Cape Town JHB

 

[bourgeoisie tall freak]

i subscribe to the youtube so i pretty much see at least part of the show everyday. love it

 

[Cape Town JHB]

What ya'll think about Kimmel and Fallon? @Cape Town JHB

Kimmel is a natural. He's really good, Fallon is atrocious.
Based on the criteria I mentioned earlier, Kimmel ticks most of those boxes. Fallon is just so cringe worthy and corny.

But understand that showbiz is about favors, nepotism and other weird occult shyt, so there's a lot of people who are given massive gigs with no talent.

 

[mag357]

A late night talk show is the ultimate test of being able to MIDDLE.
A great comic couldn't do it either, it takes a comic who has an eclectic taste in a wide range of issues but more importantly has the charisma and social IQ to know how to menouvre with various aspects of the show.

Conana O'brien is a Havard white boy and he knows his comedy very well (he studied the likes of Bill Burr, Patric O'Neal etc and he understands what funny is).

Same goes for David Letterman (his closest comic friend was the great Norm Macdonald).

People see extremely intelligent, charismatic and high social/emotional IQ individuals do something and think "that's doable, I can do that".

Racism however has prevented some great black comics who had the temperament to run a late night talk show.

Arsenio Hall was decent, but nothing special. They tried giving Chris Rock on HBO one, but Chris Rock is too good of a comic/loner /weirdo... He lacked the social cool it guy aspect.

Paul Mooney would've been a great late night host, another one would've been one of the Wayne's brothers (not sure if Keenan or Damon).. But it's rare to find someone who is both funny and understands funny and has natural charisma AND is willing to play the game and pretend to be interested in a whole lot of guests they don't give a damn about.

Nick Cannon doesn't even do a good podcast.

Everything was cool until the Arsenio thing...

That was a great show

 

[Cape Town JHB]

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