So is climate change a lost cause at this point?

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I'll give you the benefit of the doubt breh... But you'll need to show me what data is fake? Like show me some links breh even right wing ones.

OK here we go

The truth about the 97% consencus
Global Warming Alarmists Caught Doctoring '97-Percent Consensus' Claims
After taking a closer look at the paper, investigative journalists report the authors’ claims of a 97-pecent consensus relied on the authors misclassifying the papers of some of the world’s most prominent global warming skeptics. At the same time, the authors deliberately presented a meaningless survey question so they could twist the responses to fit their own preconceived global warming alarmism.

Global warming alarmist John Cook, founder of the misleadingly named blog site Skeptical Science, published a paper with several other global warming alarmists claiming they reviewed nearly 12,000 abstracts of studies published in the peer-reviewed climate literature. Cook reported that he and his colleagues found that 97 percent of the papers that expressed a position on human-caused global warming “endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming.”

As is the case with other ‘surveys’ alleging an overwhelming scientific consensus on global warming, the question surveyed had absolutely nothing to do with the issues of contention between global warming alarmists and global warming skeptics. The question Cook and his alarmist colleagues surveyed was simply whether humans have caused some global warming.
Either through idiocy, ignorance, or both, global warming alarmists and the liberal media have been reporting that the Cook study shows a 97 percent consensus that humans are causing a global warming crisis. However, that was clearly not the question surveyed.

Investigative journalists at Popular Technology looked into precisely which papers were classified within Cook’s asserted 97 percent. The investigative journalists found Cook and his colleagues strikingly classified papers by such prominent, vigorous skeptics as Willie Soon, Craig Idso, Nicola Scafetta, Nir Shaviv, Nils-Axel Morner and Alan Carlin as supporting the 97-percent consensus.
Cook and his colleagues, for example, classified a peer-reviewed paper by scientist Craig Idso as explicitly supporting the ‘consensus’ position on global warming “without minimizing” the asserted severity of global warming. When Popular Technology asked Idso whether this was an accurate characterization of his paper, Idso responded, “That is not an accurate representation of my paper. The papers examined how the rise in atmospheric CO2 could be inducing a phase advance in the spring portion of the atmosphere’s seasonal CO2 cycle. Other literature had previously claimed a measured advance was due to rising temperatures, but we showed that it was quite likely the rise in atmospheric CO2 itself was responsible for the lion’s share of the change. It would be incorrect to claim that our paper was an endorsement of CO2-induced global warming.”

When Popular Technology asked physicist Nicola Scafetta whether Cook and his colleagues accurately classified one of his peer-reviewed papers as supporting the ‘consensus’ position, Scafetta similarly criticized the Skeptical Science classification.

“Cook et al. (2013) is based on a straw man argument because it does not correctly define the IPCC AGW theory, which is NOT that human emissions have contributed 50%+ of the global warming since 1900 but that almost 90-100% of the observed global warming was induced by human emission,” Scafetta responded. “What my papers say is that the IPCC [United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] view is erroneous because about 40-70% of the global warming observed from 1900 to 2000 was induced by the sun.”

“What it is observed right now is utter dishonesty by the IPCC advocates. … They are gradually engaging into a metamorphosis process to save face. … And in this way they will get the credit that they do not merit, and continue in defaming critics like me that actually demonstrated such a fact since 2005/2006,” Scafetta added.
Astrophysicist Nir Shaviv similarly objected to Cook and colleagues claiming he explicitly supported the ‘consensus’ position about human-induced global warming. Asked if Cook and colleagues accurately represented his paper, Shaviv responded, “Nope… it is not an accurate representation. The paper shows that if cosmic rays are included in empirical climate sensitivity analyses, then one finds that different time scales consistently give a low climate sensitivity. i.e., it supports the idea that cosmic rays affect the climate and that climate sensitivity is low. This means that part of the 20th century [warming] should be attributed to the increased solar activity and that 21st century warming under a business as usual scenario should be low (about 1°C).”

“I couldn’t write these things more explicitly in the paper because of the refereeing, however, you don’t have to be a genius to reach these conclusions from the paper,” Shaviv added.

To manufacture their misleading asserted consensus, Cook and his colleagues also misclassified various papers as taking “no position” on human-caused global warming. When Cook and his colleagues determined a paper took no position on the issue, they simply pretended, for the purpose of their 97-percent claim, that the paper did not exist.

Morner, a sea level scientist, told Popular Technology that Cook classifying one of his papers as “no position” was “Certainly not correct and certainly misleading. The paper is strongly against AGW [anthropogenic global warming], and documents its absence in the sea level observational facts. Also, it invalidates the mode of sea level handling by the IPCC.”

Soon, an astrophysicist, similarly objected to Cook classifying his paper as “no position.”

“I am sure that this rating of no position on AGW by CO2 is nowhere accurate nor correct,” said Soon.

“I hope my scientific views and conclusions are clear to anyone that will spend time reading our papers. Cook et al. (2013) is not the study to read if you want to find out about what we say and conclude in our own scientific works,” Soon emphasized.

Viewing the Cook paper in the best possible light, Cook and colleagues can perhaps claim a small amount of wiggle room in their classifications because the explicit wording of the question they analyzed is simply whether humans have caused some global warming. By restricting the question to such a minimalist, largely irrelevant question in the global warming debate and then demanding an explicit, unsolicited refutation of the assertion in order to classify a paper as a ‘consensus’ contrarian, Cook and colleagues misleadingly induce people to believe 97 percent of publishing scientists believe in a global warming crisis when that is simply not the case.

:francis: Fake consensus ..Liberal morality allows them to manufacture lies for "noble reasons"...

Not that it matters anyway

The scientific method says..Consensus is NOT evidence...during the trials of Copernicus and Galileo there was 99.99999% consensus that the earth was the Center of the universe....and everybody was wrong.
 

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:russ: This nikka is approaching napoleon levels of idiocy

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:pachaha: This skinny jeans soy latte sipping starbucks socialist metro-sexual is still mad at me.....let it go ...do some yoga nikka...breathe in breathe out...wax on wax off nikka
 

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Yes I believe it's a lost cause. Future generations descendants of the 60million who voted for Hillary (if they survive) may in fact look at this period as a dark age. A time when our hubris allowed for the wanton destruction of the planet. In such a short period of time too. It amazing when you think about it.

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No, but just like the rest of us it means you're probably not a scientist yourself.

Please do your job and let scientists do theirs, then if they agree with each other we should respect that.

When it comes to climate change there are aspects that are not debatable anymore for most of the scientific community.
:comeon: argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy the whole point of the scientific method was so anybody and everybody can look at the data and confirm the results

How would YOU know they agree without looking or reading their work...and in fact there is NEVER anything NOT debatable in science not even newtons laws..the question has always been who has the proof,the right calculations and their results match what theyre saying.

Given that most of the science in this case is simulations modeled on computers based on only a few decades hard precise data then most of what youre saying becomes meaningless ...doesnt it?
 

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OK here we go

The truth about the 97% consencus


:francis: Fake consensus ..Liberal morality allows them to manufacture lies for "noble reasons"...

Not that it matters anyway

The scientific method says..Consensus is NOT evidence...during the trials of Copernicus and Galileo there was 99.99999% consensus that the earth was the Center of the universe....and everybody was wrong.

I read the article breh but to start 2 things.


1. I reject the idea that a "liberal media" exists. That I believe is simply a fantasy.

2. It was a Forbes article and the author didn't make any counter claims.scientifically. Furthermore, it quoted a rinky dink blog called Popular Technology for the majority of it's evidence, and the first thing you see when you get on that blog besides the climate denial links, is that the biggest honor he's received is being quoted in Forbes for that same article :mindblown:

What I'm asking is for a widely accepted and confirmed scientific paper or scientific group/institution that denies the existence of man made or CO2 based climate change. Like say a University of Blank that has a department that has a dissenting opinion. In economics, the Chicago school of economics at the University of Chicago is a dissenting opinion among others. Something like that. Any evidence that supports your side is what I'm looking for.
 

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We've elected a president who thinks Climate Change was made up by China. Not to mention Republican Senate and House, and probably at least two more conservative justices. Trump from what I understand is intent on undoing any executive action Obama took with regards to the issue.

It was arguably already a lost cause, but eight years from now will certainly be way too late to stop the worst of it. Lost cause, or am I being pessimistic?
who gives a fukk, hillary didnt win :ahh: lets celebrate by using more fossil fuels :ahh:
 

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I read the article breh but to start 2 things.


1. I reject the idea that a "liberal media" exists. That I believe is simply a fantasy.

2. It was a Forbes article and the author didn't make any counter claims.scientifically. Furthermore, it quoted a rinky dink blog called Popular Technology for the majority of it's evidence, and the first thing you see when you get on that blog besides the climate denial links, is that the biggest honor he's received is being quoted in Forbes for that same article :mindblown:

What I'm asking is for a widely accepted and confirmed scientific paper or scientific group/institution that denies the existence of man made or CO2 based climate change. Like say a University of Blank that has a department that has a dissenting opinion. In economics, the Chicago school of economics at the University of Chicago is a dissenting opinion among others. Something like that. Any evidence that supports your side is what I'm looking for.
:francis: Bruh theres plenty of dissenting opinion and plenty of it is from very qualified individuals..heres an article that lays it out a little better than that op ed
https://friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/97_Consensus_Myth.pdf
The 97% scientific consensus on human-caused global warming is frequently cited as the justification for the imposition of carbon taxes and extreme climate change or greenhouse gas reduction targets “…to stop dangerous climate change” (Pembina Institute, City of Calgary GHG Reduction Plan 2011)i . At least 5 separate surveys since 2004 claim a 97% consensus, or in the case of Oreskes (2004) – a 75% consensus saying “Remarkably, none of the papers disagreed with the consensus position.” This seemed to be a statistical coincidence that so many surveys could arrive at exactly the same result. Upon closer examination, this seemed an even more impressive claim since there are no common scientific constants in any of these studies. These 97% consensus studies also claim an enormous pool of 1,000 or 10,000+ scientists surveyed. It is important to understand of those numbers, how many responded, which were selected, what criteria, and where they lie on a spectrum of “consensus” about the percentage of human impact on climate…which could be anything from 5% to 100%. In fact, Friends of Science deconstruction of these surveys reveals there is no such consensus. [Figure 1 below] Figure 1: Percentage agreement with IPCC AGW declaration and survey numbers Surveys by Author Name Actual % Explicitly Agreeing w. IPCC Declaration From a Base Survey Number of Respondents or Papers Assessed Oreskes/Peiser 1.2% ~1,000 Doran and Zimmerman 2.38% 3,146 respondents Anderegg et al 66% 1,372 scientists Cook et al 0.54% 11,944 Most people automatically assume that ‘consensus’ means “humans cause catastrophic global warming because of carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions.” Three of the studies do not address this issue – none of the abstracts surveyed were written to address that declaration. The Anderegg study is unique in that part of it is based on an IPCC author base – however, the 66% “Convinced by Evidence” figure cited does not detail 2/17/2014 4 what form of human activity or ratio of impact they ascribe. Clearly 34% of scientists do not explicitly agree with the IPCC declaration. Of itself, the various IPCC declarations do not state that warming is dangerous. It is in the many climate models that human activity is ascribed as being potentially catastrophic; to date climate models exaggerate and do not reflect reality. The deconstruction of the surveys that follow shows the claim of a 97% consensus is pure spin and ‘statisticulation’ – mathematical manipulation. There is a substantial difference in perspective between those scientists who think natural factors like the sun or ocean currents most affect climate – and those who think human land disturbance, and human caused greenhouse gas emissions; notably carbon dioxide (CO2) – most affect climate. Ironically, greenhouse gas emissions are not the major obsession of all climate scientists. Many climate scientists believe that natural forces dominate climate change and that greenhouse gas emissions have caused less than half of the 20th century warming. Even at that, the warming was nominal.
 

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You can't control mother nature. Human actions have very little effect on the climate.

Liberals have gone from "global warming".....realized they were spewing garbage, and then changed the term to "climate change". They will soon be changing it again once more people realize many of these "studies" are flawed, biased, and many being flat out false.

Pollution is one thing, climate change is an entirely other.
 

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You can't control mother nature. Human actions have very little effect on the climate.

Liberals have gone from "global warming".....realized they were spewing garbage, and then changed the term to "climate change". They will soon be changing it again once more people realize many of these "studies" are flawed, biased, and many being flat out false.

Pollution is one thing, climate change is an entirely other.

This is such a bunch of bullshyt. There's extremely strong scientific consensus that man-made climate change is real. Not going to bother posting articles though since you'd write off anything as "liberal media" or something.

Low key though I kind of envy you. Must be nice be oblivious to what's coming in the next decade. :wow:
 

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This is such a bunch of bullshyt. There's extremely strong scientific consensus that man-made climate change is real. Not going to bother posting articles though since you'd write off anything as "liberal media" or something.

Low key though I kind of envy you. Must be nice be oblivious to what's coming in the next decade. :wow:

The effect it has is minimal. I'm not talking about pollution, as that's a completely different topic. Must be nice for many of these scientists to get that government funding though, giving results that are looked for.
 

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The effect it has is minimal. I'm not talking about pollution, as that's a completely different topic. Must be nice for many of these scientists to get that government funding though, giving results that are looked for.

You're right, pollution is something separate. I'm talking about the gradual warming of the climate that's going to (and already is) cause droughts, famines (as crops fail), natural disasters, and conflict.

But go ahead and revel in your conspiracy about how every climate scientist in the world (most of whom aren't even in the US) is being paid off by "the government" (despite them not even all sharing one) to make up fake science so they can impose more taxes or get funding or something. People are legit going to look back our generation as idiots for refusing to deal with this. :smh:
 

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You can't control mother nature. Human actions have very little effect on the climate.

Liberals have gone from "global warming".....realized they were spewing garbage, and then changed the term to "climate change". They will soon be changing it again once more people realize many of these "studies" are flawed, biased, and many being flat out false.

Pollution is one thing, climate change is an entirely other.

No this is simply just not true.

I think what most people fail to realize is that yes human do not have power to totally destroy the earth through carbon emissions but we do have the ability to tamper with its equilibrium and ruin the quality of POOR folks lives.

Even if a massive flood came through humans would perservere and continue on
 
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