so Obama supporters got that wake up call last night

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I know a lot of people who had the audacity to compare Obama to MLK and Malcolm X, but always caution against "expecting too much" of him. They want his legacy and esteem to be that of a revolutionary figure, without him ever having to shoulder any of the actual expectations of one. The fundamental difference between Obama - not a great black leader by any measure - and historically brilliant, effective black leaders is they worked against the power structure, while he works within it.

And that's just fine. I won't hold him to the expectations of a great leader, as long as we can be honest about who he really is. He's an ineffectual centrist cut from the Bill Clinton cloth. He appeals to the hope and ideology of the left, but he's on the right in terms of several significant issues. We've just lost track of what left and right is, and we're so busy choosing and arguing sides that we can't be bothered to notice that our culture has been so thoroughly corporatized that the left and right are manipulatable positions rather than fixed ones.

Clinton started this shyt. He moved the left toward the right. It made him electable. And it was unintentionally brilliant strategy for the future of the democratic party, because the more the left moved right, the less room it left the right to define itself in opposition to the left. Which is why the right jumped off a fukking cliff and began to take positions so extreme they alienated some of their core and made it nearly impossible for reasonable independents to vote with them. That's politically brilliant, but it doesn't do much for society. It just dumbs down the rhetoric to the point of utter nonsense. Now we have an ultra-capitalist President being labeled a socialist, even as he perpetuates the same policies and hires the same people who drained the nation's coffers and exploited the financial system to destructive ends. We get people who elected Obama because of his promises to scale back war abroad boasting of his missions to assassinate foreign leaders and terrorists. He expands war, and previously anti-war fans of Obama applaud. Because they ceased arguing principles, and are now arguing a side. Which is how the politics of the world are reduced to something as inane and irrational as baseball fanaticism. Obama DA GAWD=GOAT and I have a youtube highlight reel and some selective stats to back it up!

Meanwhile, he's helping to further fukk the environment. The pipeline is moving ahead, on his watch, with his blessing. We're building new nuclear weapons plants - more under his watch than his predecessors. He publicly fretted about the secrecy of Bush's administration, about the abuse of domestic spying... and here he is, significantly worse about both. He runs the least transparent administration of all time. Our data is their data. Our phone calls are their phone calls. His administration, with his blessing, is fighting journalists in court to pass a law that would ultimately provide language to allow the prosecution and indefinite detainment of American citizens and journalists on suspicions of treachery that are undefined and need not be publicly substantiated. In other words, his administration is pushing for the right to arrest and jail citizens simply because they decide to. This is not the sort of policy put in place by a liberal, a progressive, a leftist, or a decent human being. This is policy only a corporate puppet could support. And that's what Obama is. There's no "real Obama" who is going to use his second term to "Hit Em Up" and show you what he's truly about. His supporters ran that baseless assertion into the fukking ground, and when it never came to pass, they just invented a new rationalization for why our great progressive hope is a corporate shill, a war hawk, a status quo politician on race and class. The new rationalization is "he's the President... you can't expect anything from him!" Which is a level beyond Orwellian, even.

Obama's election is something I still appreciate. It said something about our country. It said yes, this country has a deep, historical contempt for blacks... but maybe it actually is getting better. In the aftermath, of course, maybe I even read that wrong. Still, I'm glad I voted for him the first time, and that we elected him. But otherwise? fukk him. I don't feel any special affinity for that man because he happens to be brown. His own words and deeds certainly demonstrate he doesn't feel special affinity for brown people in general. He can issue an emotional statement about a fukking comedian who offed himself within hours of it happening, but has to sit on his hands for days before issuing a namby-pamby statement about the coldblooded murder of a boy at the hand of an increasingly militarized police force. On the heels of many other incidents like it. With more following immediately.

He's a Talkin' Ass Negro. I guess the speeches were charming at first, but as the crude saying goes, don't talk about it, be about it. His supporters would have you believe that his presidency and the actions of local governments are completely unrelated, that he has no power whatsoever, that his job is simply to "manage" and spin and keep everyone from reacting harshly to him. It's truly depressing.

Obama isn't a person to be admired or defended. He's precisely the kind of person in the kind of position King and X fought against. His interests are not my interests. His policies do not affirm my values or my life, they subvert both. The principles he publicly professes are not the ones he clandestinely pushes forward. His drones have killed countless innocent citizens - men, women, children - and there's still so little information about the program that we don't even know exactly how steep that death toll is, and how ineffective the operation has been. We continue to sow more seeds of discontent abroad among allies and enemies alike. In the name of fighting terrorism, we're laying the groundwork for even more extreme fundamentalist groups who will never stop trying to attack us and our interests. Obama has done nothing but contribute to a cycle of war, death, stark domestic poverty, and racism. It's nice that he has done some good for immigrants and gays, I guess - but that doesn't somehow cancel all the other shyt out. For God's sake, this piece of shyt made a public joke about sending a drone to kill the Jonas Brothers. The President should not be taking that issue so lightly, ever. Especially not a purportedly progressive President.

fukk him. And those who shrug and say "you can't expect anything else from the President" are confessing a defeatist, cynical philosophy. They're saying "the world is going to burn and hate will always win and war is permanent and the apocalypse is imminent." Otherwise, no one would ask the absurd question "what did you expect?" I expected something different, something better, something decent, something progressive. I expected that in spite of myself and knowledge of the world. Because pessimism of experience shouldn't mute optimism for human and societal potential, or you might as well kill yourself, because you're a walking dead person inside at that point.
 

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here's a quote from one of my good friends

The challenge is very few of us (African Americans) know how the game is really played. And it is a game.

and this is why I call most of you idiots and morons - because when you discuss the black issue, community, or world you don't get it. You really don't. THis is why there are leaders and followers in every community, most of you are followers, not free thinkers, not problem solvers, not result oriented, no strategic in any sense and are basically here to regurgitate - unfortunately, you guys don't follow/listen to real leaders and are stuck regurgitating what the white liberal media feeds you or some angry black guy who happens to have journalism degree.

The out the box thinkers - the w ed dubois (like myself) are the ones you should be listening to and trying to understand what they are saying.
 

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Thing is black voters for quite a while have been naive. We've mostly been voting democrat for a long time now. It's almost a habit. Now comes Barack, who's not only a democrat but, as a person, is likeable and he almost got all black votes.

But we didn't do our due diligence. You have to put pressure on your officials or they'll take you for granted. LGBTs and latinos have been putting the pressure on him and the democrats for a while. Meanwhile, many black voters believed that voting alone will make things happen.

Thus, we are were we are. At least, more black voters are finally seeing how the game really goes.
The problem is that people focus way too much on the top guy.

Obama doesn't even write law.

Black people would be infinitely more successful with more black politicians.

But somehow people start saying politics doesn't matter and you're back to square one.
 

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Obama has spoken about Ferguson SEVERAL times and even more when you consider this

1. He has to learn about the issue.
2. He has to care enough to actually speak out about it
3. He has to convince people its worth devoting time to in a VERY busy schedule (very underrated)
4. He has to take the effort out to literally spend time to discussing this SINGLE issue on primetime TV
5. he has to create talking points (more time) and refine his statements (even more time) to address the entire nation as to why they should care about this issue
6. he's talked about it in front of the United Nations

Theres a lot more than "talking" that goes into this.

Dude sent the entire DoJ to ferguson and even personally spoke with local political leaders himself.

Theres a lot of shyt that went down behind the scenes that Obama will never get credit for because he didn't magically "stop" racism.

You all have to be fukking kidding me right now.
I'm not mad at Obama and I don't expect him to stop racism...

I realize he is doing his job to perfection...Its not about him being bad at his job.. It's the fact that the job itself requires him to be bad for Black folks..

I just want brothers and sisters to realize this.. Not you, because you're a lemming..But anyone thats on the fence and willing to look at the bigger picture as it pertains to US..Not as Americans.. But as Black people living in America..


Complaining about Obama or patting him on the back are both excersizes in futility...
 

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Indeed.

And with all due respect to those that say "he's the US president, not black America's president."

In the past 3 years we've seen him push for tangible items that directly benefited LGBTs.

Just recently, we've seen him push, through an executive order, tangible items that directly benefit latinos.

But when it comes to an issue that is directly affecting black people, we at best get a speech.
Any other time we either get words along the lines of "please calm down" or a neverending federal investigation. Remember, the trayvon investigation is still going on two years later. So why should black folks feel confident that an investigation on Darren Wilson will bring in anything?

So why are people surprised that black folks, Obama's biggest supporters and defenders, feel disappointed at best, or betrayed at worst?
:clap: these fools act like we shouldnt expect any help from a black president.... If not Barack then what other president is gonna look out for our interests? Cause im positive once the cacs get the white house back they aint gonna do shyt about these issues affecting our community. Barack is all we got right now
Again, what issue is there against black people that doesnt apply to everyone?

Immigration doesn't just benefit latinos.

LGBT? There are black gays too.

What are you talking about?
Your trolling :childplease:

Those 2 issues dont effect blacks nearly as much as other groups in this country.

As for the bolded we need a reformed criminal justice system, more scrutiny over these private prisons, and to combat police burtality. Those things would directly impact the black community more than any other group EASILY.
 

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I'm not mad at Obama and I don't expect him to stop racism...

I realize he is doing his job to perfection...Its not about him being bad at his job.. It's the fact that the job itself requires him to be bad for Black folks..

I just want brothers and sisters to realize this.. Not you, because you're a lemming..But anyone thats on the fence and willing to look at the bigger picture as it pertains to US..Not as Americans.. But as Black people living in America..


Complaining about Obama or patting him on the back are both excersizes in futility...
and you're not doing anything to change that.

Ya'll are quick to talk about Obama and NEVER members of congress.

Who are INFINITELY more powerful than Obama.
 

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The problem is that people focus way too much on the top guy.

Obama doesn't even write law.

Black people would be infinitely more successful with more black politicians.

But somehow people start saying politics doesn't matter and you're back to square one.

Doesn't mean we can't criticize the man when we see him practically ignoring our interest.

Every other group does just that. But with black ppl, we're just supposed to stfu. ok. :comeon:
 

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Fam, if any serious attempt on Barack's life happened, I'd almost feel sorry for random white people because bodies would DEFINITELY start dropping.

I'm legit saying full out race war type of shyt.

I don't want to see this even have the potential of happening but you can't tell me things wouldn't boil over to some untold degree :whew:

You aint lying...

Big Mamma would even have the choppa:damn:
 

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Your trolling :childplease:

Those 2 issues dont effect blacks nearly as much as other groups in this country.

As for the bolded we need a reformed criminal justice system, more scrutiny over these private prisons, and to combat police burtality. Those things would directly impact the black community more than any other group EASILY.

Doesn't matter.

There are tons of things that don't directly affect ME but I know that affect many others. Gay rights is one of them.

Black people aren't "en masse" against gay rights. Thats just a stupid fukking comment.

and even further Obama has TRIED and continues to reform the criminal justice system. Look at what Holder as done. In fact this month the reduce sentencing reviews were enacted. Thats major.

Police brutality? In september the house house came out in support of body cameras on police officers.

You all need to keep up.
 

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Why are you quoting me man? I'm on your side - read! I said "I wish he could have done more" - if you can't admit that it hasn't been the most productive presidency then you're not being objective.
So ending a recession, lowering unemployment, ending 2 wars, getting a healthcare bill and killiing Bin Laden while facing absolute obstruction from the right isn't enough huh? He shoulda freed C Murder.
 

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Doesn't mean we can't criticize the man when we see him practically ignoring our interest.

Every other group does just that. But with black ppl, we're just supposed to stfu. ok. :comeon:
Yeah. You need to STFU because you aren't working to change anything.

What proposed bills do you have in place?

The "be nice to black people" law?

You can't even formalize what outcome you want except for a hand out in the form of "why ain't he helping us?"

Again, what do you want from Obama?
 

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The fundemantal difference between you and me is this fam.. At your core, you believe in America... I don't...
Yeah. I live here.

And you do too.

So don't sit on the sidelines and bytch about your station unless you're investing in changing things from within.
 

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I see a bunch of complaining but yet no suggestions about solutions that Obama can carry out legally.

Dudes are tearing him down for no reason. He's the first black president, there was no playbook designed to show how a black president should solely focus on black issues, when blacks only make up 15% of this country and don't really stress politics. Of course I bet he wants to say "Man, this shyt's fukked up" but he has a lot of people to appease. In no way will he solve every fuked up problem in the black community.

I never see a thread saying "Fuk congress for not passing bills Obama proposed". It's always "Obama's soft or a c00n" .

I think the man's doing the best that he can. He doesn't have that pass as other Presidents of just saying "to hell with black folks" and black folks just accepting it because he's not black.
 

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The problem is that people focus way too much on the top guy.

Obama doesn't even write law.

Black people would be infinitely more successful with more black politicians.

But somehow people start saying politics doesn't matter and you're back to square one.


exactly. Very smart post. When no one turned out this last election (including myself) you said , you don't care about the support system and infastructure of the american political system. What america has done is built a modern roof with solar panels and smart energy. Then they built the rest of the house with sticks and clay.
 
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