So the whole "Superteam" idea is dead, right?

[Reid2Achieve]

The bottom line is that Ray Allen wasnt prime Jesus in his years in Boston. It maybe the fact that it took him tho most time to jel out of the 3.

Ehh it can be argued that Ray sacrificed the most out of their Big 3. He rarely ever ISO'd...most of his shots were assisted. He was just the silent assassin.

 

[dem bath salts]

Defense plays the biggest role. The failed superteams played no defense at all. When you play D, it keeps you in games and allows you to win while still working on chemistry.

 

[FTBS]

Superteams aren't going anywhere. We likely won't see a ready made version like the C's and the Heat but we will continue to see the organic versions we have seen for years. This league has been about "superteams" since it's inception. The issue here isn't superteams, it's bad management. Teams like SA and OKC and Indy and GSW dont' seem to be having any issues in terms of building star ladden teams. As long as teams are trying to get the quick fix and being myopic you will have failures like the ones listed. Boston and MIA were exceptions. They key to building a true Superteam is good drafting (gotta be lucky to an extent ), timely, smart trades and acquisitions. The smart teams and fans get it. The idiots don't.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

smh. Allen was very good in Boston. He was brilliant in the '09 series against the Bulls. He was streaky though. There were several times where everyone thought he was done. He was injured a lot also.. He wasn't Ray Allen at his best but he was close.

KG was only KG in '08 and '09 prior to the season-ending injury. When he came back he was still great on the defensive end but he still wasn't the same player overall. He showed flashes of brilliance.

Pierce didn't fall off until this season. He had a great second half last year but didn't have a lot in the tank for the playoffs. He might finally be done now though.

 

[kevthesureshot]

The concept of building a team with 2 great players and maybe another really good player are not gonna go away because it's how most championship teams are built. One thing that should be remembered is that you can't "Out Miami" the heat. They have the best player on the planet, with 2 other stars, and a system that plays to his strengths. you can't duplicate that, so you get the talent you can and take your best shot. OKC had the closest shot, but the CBA, coaching, and some personell issues robbed them of their chance in 2012. They still have a chance though.

 

[mastermind]

its not dead, those teams built up flawed teams.

Its a lot harder now though.

 

[NaijaProdigy Redux]

I don't think it's dead. It's just hard to put a legit superteam together.

Brooklyn Nets is not a super team....Piru P and Kevin Garnett are Father Time Status; DeRon isn't healthy; and as far as I'm concerned, Joe Johnson was always a fringe star.

LA Lakers was not a super team...Kobe still one of the greats in the league but he is not in his prime; Steve Nash is fukking 40; and Dwight was always overrated

Miami got LeBron in his prime; Wade who sometimes looks like Father Time is coming for him but still is more than effective; and Chris Bosh who still got a number of years left. On top of that, they got one hell of a supporting cast.

 

[Houston911]

Lakers were never healthy
Nets players are old and unhealthy too

I'm interested in seeing the nets if the get healthy

Laker fans have always said chemistry is just as important as star power

 

[Bomberman]

Honestly, this will never fell. If you put CP3 with prime the Dream, Houston would never lose. It's just simple, smart BBIQ ball movement team, we top tier PG and C will usually win it all but finding that is EXTREMELY hard since top tier centers are impossible to find more than not.

I remember the gambler Haralabos Voulgaris sharing some info about what he thought makes a strong NBA team, the Center and PG were the primary pieces:
-forcing turnovers- the resulting possession results in a much higher efficient scoring chance than defensive rebounds and made field goals.
-same goes for offensive rebounds.
-help defense on the player if the on ball defender gets blown by is critical. Defenders who understand this are valuable.
-spread 4's who can pull a PF or C away from rebounding to leave room for an offensive rebound by a SF helps a ton.
-taking corner 3's and defending corner 3's was either as important as the C and PG or right behind it.
-offensive rebounding is a better indicator of a player's rebounding skills.
-good perimeter defense helps lock the paint easier.
-advantage if the PG can also shoot 3's.

When you also look at the shooting percentages from years past, 3's for the average NBA team is way more efficient than mid range 2's.If you can get 3 points rather than 2 nearly the same percentage, why not?

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/59302/courtvision-the-year-in-scoring

 

[Jplaya2023]

Seems like the 08 Celts & Heat are the exceptions and not the rule, everyone else has failed miserably trying to walk in their shoes of pairing stars via free agency or trades.

We got the Knicks imploding, the Nets being coached by a drunk and all their players disintegrating before our eyes, the Lakers were debacled into Bolivia last year. All the teams they traded with to get their star players have brighter futures, and thanks to how awful the Knicks and Nets have been it looks like the draft picks they gave up are going to be the gifts that keep on giving. I mean, the Knicks gave up a 1st round pick to get Bargnani

Seems like you better have 4 all-stars that all fit together or the best player in the world (or at their position) coming to your team for that philosophy to work. I guess using your free caproom to fortify your team rather than outright building with it is the way to go, while the draft is where you should get your first and second best players from Unless you're Chris Grant, then you just draft a bunch of bench players that have advanced metrics.

the knicks are a superteam?

 

[Danny Up]

Not really. It all honesty it's only been one "super team" and they "colluded" to make it happen. It can also be argued that they really haven't been successful despite 2 titles.. The first season they were together they struggled in the regular season and lost in the finals. 2nd year they did better. 3rd year they basically lost two seven game series to teams with "inferior talent".

The only other "super teams" in recent memory have also failed. The '04 Lakers with Shaq, Kobe, Payton & Malone.

The Boston Celtics also went two 7 game series in the Leastern Conference. They won their first year together and haven't done shyt else. Now two of those "Super Powers" went on to Brooklyn to play with Joe Johnson, Brook Lopez & Deron Williams. Now if these dudes were "superstars" they wouldn't have needed Garnett & Pierce