So theres no debate right? Ps3 still hasnt been topped by sony.

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Sony's studios are not pushing a bunch of games because of development times. AAA games take on average 4 to 7 years to create compared to 2 to 4 years in previous generations. Their studios changed from a minimum of 2 or 3 games per generation to 1 or 2 because of this. The exception being Insomniac. Not only that, COVID delayed these games by 1 to 3 years, along with games being cancelled resulting in some studios skipping this generation or releasing near the end of this generation. Even without any competition, the amount of games being pushed out next generation and the rest of this generation will depend on the development times their studios will need along with the way the scope of these studios change.

Next generation, I expect there will be more ps6 exclusives compared to the ps5 in the same amount of time due to no COVID, their new studios, , Playstation Hero Project, 2nd party exclusives, and 3rd party exclusives, especially with XDev. I also expect a couple of their developers to start working on exclusives years before the release of the ps6, with no COVID to delay their releases. The first five years of the ps5 would have been packed were there no COVID.
I have doubts about the development time issue.

Ps3 had a completely unique architecture that made it hard for third and first party developers to learn and pushed sony to switch to a more PC like setup for the ps4. Even with the strange architecture, the developers were able to push through and put in work on the ps3. Ease of development was a goal for ps4 and Naughty dog still dropped 2 uncharted games 5 years into the ps4's life cycle and insomniac had 2(if we don't count sunset overdrive since that was an X1 exclusive).

The ps5 was just that existing architecture with more power. Games are netting bigger profits than ever. Sony has in house engines(like decima) that studios can use, and there's still unreal engine 4 and 5 as options.

I don't think it's so much covid as it is the desire to make games a service and greed from studios who dont want to hire more people. Single player games are slowly coming back because after the failure of concord and the looming failure of marathon, it's sending a signal around the industry that far less people than thry thought care about that shyt. The field is too crowded and people want single player and offline multi-player games.
 
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I have doubts about the development time issue.

Ps3 had a completely unique architecture that made it hard for third party developers to learn and pushed sony to switch to a more PC like setup for the ps4. Naughty dog still dropped 2 uncharted games 5 years into the ps4's life cycle and insomniac had 2(if we don't count sunset overdrive since that was an X1 exclusive).

The ps5 was just that existing architecture with more power. Games are netting bigger profits than ever. Sony has in house engines(like decima) that studios can use, and there's still unreal engine 4 and 5 as options.

I don't think it's so much covid as it is the desire to make games a service and greed from studios who dont want to hire more people. Single player games are slowly coming back because after the failure of concord and the looming failure of marathon, it's sending a signal around the industry that far less people than thry thought care about that shyt. The field is too crowded and people want single player and offline multi-player games.
The ps3 is not as advanced as the ps5. As technology advances, developers' ambition increases, resulting in development times increasing because of the greater complexity of the games. Not only graphics are advancing. Gameplay is also advancing. As the CPU and SSD or storage solutions advances, and as the RAM increases and becomes quicker, the gameplay will also advance with greater and greater complexity. COVID delayed the development of all games. All of this contributed to the release time this generation. There will need to be a solution to shorten game development time to what it was previously with a possibility of being shorter than previous generations.
 
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PS5 was DOA, mfs were paying at least $1000 back in 2020 for a console w no games :dead:

PS3 was cool but PS2 is the goat :ahh:
 

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COVID delayed the development time of these games by 1 to 3 years. Games releasing in 2027 could have released in 2024 to 2026. Expect an onslaught of games for the rest of this gen, which could extend into 2029 or 2030, the years the ps6 will probably release. The ps6 will probably release in November 2028, 4 years after the ps5 pro was released, similar to the ps5 releasing 4 years after the ps4 pro, yet could be delayed into 2029 or 2030 because of tariffs and the current economic turmoil.

The ps5 will be viewed differently by 2029 or 2030, when all of the new exclusives from the Sony studios, PlayStation Hero Projects, 2nd party, and 3rd party release. There are not enough exclusives that show what the ps5 can do in terms of gameplay yet there are a good amount of exclusives. Ratchet and Clank Rift along with a couple of others are the few games that show what the ps5 can do. The rest of this gen including cross gen games released on the ps6 will be really dense for the ps5 including this year, with exclusives showing what the ps5 can do in terms of gameplay.
Miss me with the covid nonsense, this was one of the easier industries to transition to WFH, no other entertainment industry seems to be as affected by covid as gaming :mjlol:

The reality is a lot of these studios besides game design are also shooting several movies worth of mocap and audio, add to that the more and more demanding engines because they want to sell new hardware and now developers have to make 4k and ray tracing work on machines that can barely support it.

we are at a point where they keep working on the games after it hits 'gold" to make sure the day one patch is ready because they know the damn game isn't complete, and thats the best case scenario.
 
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Miss me with the covid nonsense, this was one of the easier industries to transition to WFH, no other entertainment industry seems to be as affected by covid as gaming :mjlol:

The reality is a lot of these studios besides game design are also shooting several movies worth of mocap and audio, add to that the more and more demanding engines because they want to sell new hardware and now developers have to make 4k and ray tracing work on machines that can barely support it.

we are at a point where they keep working on the games after it hits 'gold" to make sure the day one patch is ready because they know the damn game isn't complete, and thats the best case scenario.
COVID directly affected game development.
 

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Stiff competition my ass :bryan:

360 was running on the fumes of CoD players. The highlight of 360 is CoD lobbies
Yeah cuz Halo was like non existent then.
And people tried to hype up Gears of War :dead:
Ok, lets stop joking around M'kay :camby:
This gen and last gen are way worse.
Cocaine is a hellova drug :scusthov:
PS3 felt like peak technology when it dropped. It was so ahead of its time.

Wifi
Wireless controllers
High-Definition
Online play
Blu-Ray drive
Hard drive instead of memory cards
Backwards compatibility with both previous generations
Web browser

:why:

I bought a used Slim one to mode a couple years ago and I was so impressed at how modern it still was. I couldn’t imagine owning one of these at launch back in 2006.:mindblown:
The Xbox 360 came out a year ahead of the PS3 and had all that shyt but hey, I like your version :stopitslime:
Lost in what way?

They had more games because they invested in their first party studios and after they closed the price gap, they got more sales.
2 things. 1.) That is exactly what Xbox is doing now but on a much larger scale. The amount of studios they have working for them dwarfs what Sony had at the time. Just stating facts. 2ndly, they didn't get more sales. They lied by combining PS2 and PS3 sales as PS3 sales. That alteration o fhey report sales put their totals slightly above Xbox sales. You know how Trump n them are trying to alter how voting can be done to manipulate results? They did that to keep investors from yelling for Sony to go bankrupt at the time. If you Google Sony almost went bankrupt during the ps3 era you will get cool links like these...
Sony has lost more than $3 billion on the PS3, so far
Microsoft was pushing sony by actually putting out games but now they clearly don't give a shyt anymore because they're making money from game pass and taking a cut from sales of the games they publish and port to other platforms.
Microsoft has more games in development and more studios making games than ever before, and more than any of its competition but you're saying its the opposite because Gamepass exist. Gamepass doesn't "exist" like it does unless Microsoft makes games for it. So you gotta stop kidding yourself buddy :stop:
Because they aren't pushing them Sony isn't putting out as much games.
Oh so its MIcrosofts fault that Sony is ass. No, I would blame the Sony fanboys who proudly yell out statistics of consoles sold yet are buying Xbox games on PlayStation at a higher rate than Playstation games. Do you deal in facts my friend?
5 years deep in the ps3s life cycle there were already at least 2 games from insomniac, naughty dog, and suckerpunch. There was also a platform exclusive gran turismo game. That pressure doesn't exist anymore to push them to pump out games. A lot of people disagreeing with me wont break down their reasoning so I'll give you credit for trying.
Meanwhile the best selling game on PS5 this year is Forza Horizon 5
People forget about the media server network capabilities it had. I was streaming movies from my PC to my PS3 while Netflix was still mailing out DVDs.:wow:
That's cool and all but that was doable on Xbox and even the Wii.
What's annoying about when Sony fans recall that era fondly, they then turn around and talk negatively about the Xbox One which took media capabilities of the PS3 and turned the volume up by 100. Was an amazing system because of everything it did.
And y'all acted like that's what made the XB1 unworthy :dahell: the only thing the PS3 did that the X360 didn't do was allow movies to be saved on the HDD.
 

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PS2 is the goat PlayStation console. To me some games look better than the PS3 because the animations in a good chunk of games were smooth because 60 fps was the standard. Exclusives were good in ps3 but alot of third party games peformed like trash and a lot had trouble running at a stable 30 fps. To me ps4 was a much better console than 3.

It had all that hardware but majority of developers didn’t utilize or knew how to utilize it. The complexity of the cell processor was a straight up nightmare for devs and it made Sony realize the importance of making a console that’s easy to develop for thus making it more PC like with the PS4.
 
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Stiff competition my ass :bryan:

360 was running on the fumes of CoD players. The highlight of 360 is CoD lobbies
True.

360 came out a year earlier and really shined with the online shyt.

Everyone I know got a 360 around 2005 or 2006-ish. I sat back and waited with my PS2 and OG Xbox. Something told me not to bite...

PS3 dropped and developers didn't know how to work with it. Think it cost more $$$ too. Kept waiting and then all of a sudden....RROD everywhere. All my homies and fam had to return their 360s at least 2x. Went ahead and got that PS3 in like 2008 and had zero regrets.

PS3 was behind at the start of that generation but they caught and passed 360 by the end.
 

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You can make an argument for the console itself, the technology offered so much in one console, it was unbelievable. As far as the overall package, its not even close, it was a bad era for them mostly.
 

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True.

360 came out a year earlier and really shined with the online shyt.

Everyone I know got a 360 around 2005 or 2006-ish. I sat back and waited with my PS2 and OG Xbox. Something told me not to bite...

PS3 dropped and developers didn't know how to work with it. Think it cost more $$$ too. Kept waiting and then all of a sudden....RROD everywhere. All my homies and fam had to return their 360s at least 2x. Went ahead and got that PS3 in like 2008 and had zero regrets.

PS3 was behind at the start of that generation but they caught and passed 360 by the end.
And by caught up you mean they began to combine PS2 and PS3 sales as PS3 sales, that made it so they sold more than Xbox did on paper
And why do that? Well, its now 2025 and Sony fans still feel like the PlayStation is the place to go because of lies like this. They couldn't handle not being the winner thinking it would affect future sales (which there is some truth to)

So right now, you guys care more about console sales than player engagement. Microsoft sees where the money is, and Sony sees it too
So they are literally NO LONGER FOCUSING ON CONSOLES. But not a single Sony gamer would say Xbox won this gen... even tho they did.
How so? Because this gen is just a transition generation to the next. Never been done before. Sony said they was about generations and then made this gen about last gen. Xbox is doing the opposite of that. They are making this gen about next. And Sony is copying that blueprint. Hence the "no longer focused on consoles" statement. Gamepass vs PS Now.... then Microsoft will buy Sony and it'll be on app to rule them all :manny:
 
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