So when did being the best loser become more valuable than winning it all?

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All on real gm and Reddit. Not sifting through all my shyt. At least not now. Basically the consensus is 6-0 doesn't matter :yeshrug:
There's no argument for 3-4 being better than 6-0

The argument is that it's better to lose early than to lose at the last minute

6-4 would be better than 6-0 though
 

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He still has to beat the best team to come out of the west every year

It's weird though. I mean 2 of the losses were no mans land. And there are people who lost finals that they were actually favorites in.

07' against the Spurs, that Cavs team had no business being in the finals
And the Warriors without Love and Kyrie

Are two that any player is going to lose in my opinion.

Mavs was inexcusable
Spurs you can't make excuses for, he chose Miami

Still, 3-4 is still excellent, and he can retire with 7 depending on how this all plays out

He was to beat 1 team from the West that's the point
He plays one real series all playoffs
Which is the finals
He's coasting through the playoffs
 

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He was to beat 1 team from the West that's the point
He plays one real series all playoffs
Which is the finals
He's coasting through the playoffs

Who cares? Beating the best of the west matters more than beating playoff scrubs if the West.

Switch the Cavs and the Warriors playoff schedule and that shyt is going exactly the same. The Cavs would ass-smash the Blazers and the Jazz plus beat the Spurs just like Golden State would.

All on real gm and Reddit. Not sifting through all my shyt. At least not now. Basically the consensus is 6-0 doesn't matter :yeshrug:

No one argues that shyt. All other things equal, making the finals is better than not.

3-3 > 3-0
 

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Who cares? Beating the best of the west matters more than beating playoff scrubs if the West.

Switch the Cavs and the Warriors playoff schedule and that shyt is going exactly the same. The Cavs would ass-smash the Blazers and the Jazz plus beat the Spurs just like Golden State would.



No one argues that shyt. All other things equal, making the finals is better than not.

3-3 > 3-0

No because Bron does not have to go through the wear and tear of the playoffs he has it easy
Switch warriros and Cavs same happens this year because Durant fukked everything up
West is trash now too
 

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I am literally dumbfounded at this new development on pretty much every basketball message board.

It has pretty much become the consensus opinion that 3-4(7 finals appearances) is a better career achievement than 6-0(6 finals appearances;2 3-peats)

In a vacuum, I've literally never seen anyone argue this, anywhere.

In context, it could "possibly" be right. Like, Bill Russell was 11-1 or some shyt, but 6-4 Kareem or 5-4 Magic are still way better. Because of teammates and competition and era and all that.

But if we're just talking straight up, like they played in the same era under similar circumstances on similar teams, then just about everyone would take 6-0 over 3-4.




6-0.

unless you get drafted to a legit playoff team, you don't all of sudden become a champion.

everybody go through the process nikkas.

But why does "did they make the Finals" decide whether the year counts or not?

Why do 2007 and 2015 count against, Lebron, when he had no business making the Finals either year?

But 1990 and 1995 don't count against Jordan, even though those teams had a good amount of talent?


Lebron wasted 8 years of his career on teams with absolute shyt talent, and still has 3 titles in 13 years. Jordan only had 4-5 years like that (plus 2 in Washington), made the most of the good years and the expansion era and has 6 titles in 15 years. Magic had basically zero years where his team wasn't stacked well, and ended up with 5 titles in 12 years. So you can't compare like to like. Teammates are different, coaching is different, competition faced is different.
 

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In a vacuum, I've literally never seen anyone argue this, anywhere.

In context, it could "possibly" be right. Like, Bill Russell was 11-1 or some shyt, but 6-4 Kareem or 5-4 Magic are still way better. Because of teammates and competition and era and all that.

But if we're just talking straight up, like they played in the same era under similar circumstances on similar teams, then just about everyone would take 6-0 over 3-4.






But why does "did they make the Finals" decide whether the year counts or not?

Why do 2007 and 2015 count against, Lebron, when he had no business making the Finals either year?

But 1990 and 1995 don't count against Jordan, even though those teams had a good amount of talent?


Lebron wasted 8 years of his career on teams with absolute shyt talent, and still has 3 titles in 13 years. Jordan only had 4-5 years like that (plus 2 in Washington), made the most of the good years and the expansion era and has 6 titles in 15 years. Magic had basically zero years where his team wasn't stacked well, and ended up with 5 titles in 12 years. So you can't compare like to like. Teammates are different, coaching is different, competition faced is different.
The expansion era argument is so fukking stupid,especially since a huge part of the expansion was due to the interest Jordan responsible for creating.

And why do y'all act like he played played the whole season in 1995:gucci:



Lastly, 1990 bulls were sooooooooooooooooo stacked with talent :mjlol:.....:duck:

1989-90 Chicago Bulls Roster and Stats | Basketball-Reference.com
 

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He was to beat 1 team from the West that's the point
He plays one real series all playoffs
Which is the finals
He's coasting through the playoffs

Cavs road to the finals last season = Warriors road to the finals.
 

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All on real gm and Reddit. Not sifting through all my shyt. At least not now. Basically the consensus is 6-0 doesn't matter :yeshrug:
This is the same era where a man averaged a triple double for a season and nerds couldn't type fast enough that it's the most overrated stat. Also, one title in Cleveland equaled 2 or 3 anywhere else. It's like living in an alternate universe
 
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