So When Do Humans Gain Conciousness?

[Dirty_Jerz]

where does it reside? where does it come from? and why is our own unique to soley humans?



one day you are aware and before that nothingness :...: how far can you remember back as a child? babys kick and punch inside the womb maybe it was around that time you are delivered

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[NZA]

it's in several parts of the brain, and our frontal lobes are more developed than other species, so we think in our particular way. animals with larger brains, but not highly developed frontal lobes might be much more capable than us at certain things, but maybe not as capable of complicated notions of self and philosophy and whatnot. also, as far as i know, only mammals have frontal lobes. so snakes and birds are thinking up stuff in a very fundamentally different way from us.

one of the best ways to figure out what makes us who we are is to study people with anatomical brain abnormalities and frontal lobotomies. apparently, a lobotomy leaves people with less personality, and abnormalities in the frontal lobe can result in schizophrenia, so it seems like much of the "person" is derived from there. non mammal animals are probably a lot less of a "person"

 

[NZA]

you know what i want to know? how these ducks set a path that spans maybe 10K miles or more, and then stick to that path the whole time without getting lost or without losing members of their group. there's a pond in my neighborhood that attracts ducks sometimes, and i see them get into that V-formation and just go back up north.

i have a terrible sense of direction, when i drive, the streets can become a blur sometimes, and when im inside a building, it takes me a few seconds to remember what north is. it's like i have tunnel vision, but it's even deeper than vision, my thoughts simply focus on one thing, like what i will do when i get to the destination, so the thoughts on how to get there just arent happening unless i make a conscious effort to think about it.

i know that's not normal for humans, especially not yougner people. im kinda messed up

 

[intilectual recipricol]

who said consciousness is unique to humans?

 

[NZA]

who said consciousness is unique to humans?

i think he is saying is "our own kind of consciousness unique to humans?", not that consciousness itself is only human

 

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[Dirty_Jerz]

it's in several parts of the brain, and our frontal lobes are more developed than other species, so we think in our particular way. animals with larger brains, but not highly developed frontal lobes might be much more capable than us at certain things, but maybe not as capable of complicated notions of self and philosophy and whatnot. also, as far as i know, only mammals have frontal lobes. so snakes and birds are thinking up stuff in a very fundamentally different way from us.

one of the best ways to figure out what makes us who we are is to study people with anatomical brain abnormalities and frontal lobotomies. apparently, a lobotomy leaves people with less personality, and abnormalities in the frontal lobe can result in schizophrenia, so it seems like much of the "person" is derived from there. non mammal animals are probably a lot less of a "person"

im doing a little google-scholary now and im finding that the "great apes" share a larger frontal vortex like humans and also finding that while it is suppose to control emotions/reasoning/insight there is another peice of brain located toward the back of the frontal lobe that is also connected to the occipital lobe (vision) has alot of neuromelanin and the loss of it being connected to parkinsons disease..pretty interesting considering this form of melanin can also be found in a few different varieties of mammal like horses but i cannot find if it is located in reptiles and things like that except in the form of skin cells (eumelanin) for camoflauge or defensive mechanisms like squid ink

you know what i want to know? how these ducks set a path that spans maybe 10K miles or more, and then stick to that path the whole time without getting lost or without losing members of their group. there's a pond in my neighborhood that attracts ducks sometimes, and i see them get into that V-formation and just go back up north.

i have a terrible sense of direction, when i drive, the streets can become a blur sometimes, and when im inside a building, it takes me a few seconds to remember what north is. it's like i have tunnel vision, but it's even deeper than vision, my thoughts simply focus on one thing, like what i will do when i get to the destination, so the thoughts on how to get there just arent happening unless i make a conscious effort to think about it.

i know that's not normal for humans, especially not yougner people. im kinda messed up

its alot more normal than you think lol almost everybody i know suffers from that tunnel vision but it doesnt have to be a bad thing it just depends on what you focus on when you will it to be

almost like a gift and a curse we can fine tune into something so well we can keep on making something better and arent limited to simply survival habits and instincts we can make surplus for ourselves and others or cause complete destruction because emotionally we checked out on caring, conciousness is oh so powerful friend

 

[Dirty_Jerz]

who said consciousness is unique to humans?

what @NZA said but if you have any evidence other animals share our form of conciousness feel free to add

 

[daze23]

i think he is saying is "our own kind of consciousness unique to humans?", not that consciousness itself is only human

in that case, the question kinda answers itself. our consciousness is unique to us because it's our unique consciousness

 

[daze23]

what @NZA said but if you have any evidence other animals share our form of conciousness feel free to add

define "our form of consciousness"