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Snopes is 100. They are credible. You won't win that argument.

But notice you attacked the messenger and completely ignored the facts documented in the article; namely that the quote from Sanger you put in the OP is completely fabricated.


I'll leave you with this:

Snopes’ main political fact-checker is a writer named Kim Lacapria. Before writing for Snopes, Lacapria wrote for Inquisitr, a blog that — oddly enough — is known for publishing fake quotes and even downright hoaxes as much as anything else.

While at Inquisitr, the future “fact-checker” consistently displayed clear partisanship.




Fact-Checking Snopes: Website's Political 'Fact-Checker' Is Just A Liberal Blogger
 

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For your lazy ass, here ya go start at 1:27


Why would Clinton feel the need to make that statement if Sanger was a holy saint? :jbhmm:


Watch the whole video and then tell me why wouldn't she deny all the accusations those republicans were making about eugenics, and instead she agrees with them and backtracks to say "she doesn't agree with all of what Margaret Sanger did/said"

:stopitslime: Cmon

Nobody said Margaret Sanger was a holy saint. She was a white person alive in the early 20th century so I'm sure she was a racist like probably 100% of white people back then.

I'm saying you put a bunch of made-up bullshyt and quotes that aren't real in the OP because you're too lazy to research things for yourself and like to be spoonfed information.

Again, don't take my word, this is easily researched. Look at the facts and not some dumb ass memes you read on facebook derived from Republican political strategists.

Here's another credible source of facts.

Cain’s False Attack on Planned Parenthood
 

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Now you're posting shyt from the daily caller. :dead: Is Breitbart.com next?

I posted 2 more sources, The Time and factcheck.org.

You're ducking the issue. The issue is the quotes in your OP are proven false and PP was not created to exterminate black people and you have no evidence to support the claim.

This nonsense was created by Republican political operatives and you fell for it because you refuse to do research.
 

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Now you're posting shyt from the daily caller. :dead: Is Breitbart.com next?

I posted 2 more sources, The Time and factcheck.org.

You're ducking the issue. The issue is the quotes in your OP are proven false and PP was not created to exterminate black people and you have no evidence to support the claim.

This nonsense was created by Republican political operatives and you fell for it because you refuse to do research.

And you said snopes is 100% credible, yet I can find lots of evidence online of their inconsistencies within a lot of their articles...



You quoted snopes, a Urban Legend website ...



I'll tell you what, you do research, I'll do research and we come back tomorrow with gloves on
 

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@Big L Was the Biggest W Politifact rates the claim that PP was created to exterminate black people as a pants on fire lie.

Cain claims Planned Parenthood founded for

This presidential election season, Georgia’s homegrown prospect Herman Cain is talking about race.

Cain, a black, conservative Republican, recently said the media is "scared that a real black man may run against Barack Obama."

And there’s this one about pro-abortion rights group Planned Parenthood:

"When Margaret Sanger - check my history - started Planned Parenthood, the objective was to put these centers in primarily black communities so they could help kill black babies before they came into the world," Cain said during a talk in Washington, D.C., at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative group.

"It's planned genocide," Cain added. He wants the U.S. Congress to yank funding for Planned Parenthood, which receives about $75 million a year to provide non-abortion health services.

Was Planned Parenthood founded to help kill unborn black babies?

Cain asked his audience to check his history. So, we did.

First, a disclaimer. Cain, who has launched a presidential exploratory committee, was a talk show host on AM 750 and now 95.5 FM WSB, which, like The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, is part of Cox Media Group.

Cain has more political heft than your average talking head. The former CEO of Godfather Pizza beat a six-term U.S. congressman to finish second in Georgia’s 2004 U.S. Senate Republican primary. The Morehouse grad has eight honorary doctorate degrees and has authored four books, and he serves on several corporate boards.

Now some history. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger is credited with making birth control legal and widely available.

Born 1879, Sanger, who was white, blamed her mother’s death on her frequent pregnancies. At the time, speaking about birth control could lead to arrest. She thought that if women could legally control the number of children they bore, their health and economic conditions would improve.

We consulted with scholarship, Cain’s camp, anti-abortion groups, Sanger’s biographer, and multiple experts on Cain’s claim.

The supposed evidence that Sanger supported black genocide is a loose collection of her most objectionable statements, her ties to the disgraced eugenics movement, and her work on what was called the Negro Project. That effort, started in 1939, brought birth control services (but not abortion) to black communities in the South.

These facts don’t come close to supporting Cain’s claim.

Eugenics was once a wildly popular theory that the human race can be improved through better breeding and genetics. It drew together backers as diverse as President Theodore Roosevelt and black intellectual W.E.B. DuBois.

At its best, the U.S. movement pushed for better prenatal care. At its worst, it enabled forced sterilization laws and let claims that blacks and immigrants were inferior to masquerade as science.

Sanger welcomed some of the movement’s more notorious leaders onto the board of a predecessor to Planned Parenthood. She also endorsed paying pensions to women of low intelligence who agreed to be sterilized.

But we found no evidence that Sanger advocated - privately or publicly - for anything even resembling the "genocide" of blacks, or that she thought blacks are genetically inferior.

Every academic PolitiFact Georgia consulted said that Cain’s claim is wrong.

"I have never run into any serious academic reference of Sanger or others wanting to ‘kill black babies,’" Indiana University professor Ruth Engs, a eugenics movement expert, told PolitiFact Georgia in an e-mail.

What’s worse, Cain got his facts mixed up.

Sanger’s first birth control clinic opened in 1916 in the Brownsville neighborhood of Brooklyn, N.Y., which was mostly Irish and Jewish.

When she did open a Harlem clinic in the early 1930s, about half of its patients were white. Members of the black establishment, including DuBois and black newspaper the Amsterdam News, supported it. This was hardly the pro-genocide camp.

None of these centers performed abortions.

Those who think Sanger wanted black genocide cite the Negro Project. But even their strongest evidence, a passage from a letter she wrote advocating that organizers recruit black ministers for the project, does not come close to proving a genocidal plot.

Sanger wrote that "We don’t want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs."

But her correspondence shows this sentence advocates for black doctors and ministers to play leadership roles in the Negro Project to avoid misunderstandings. Lynchings and Jim Crow laws gave blacks good reason to be wary of attempts to limit the number of children they bore. In Harlem, she hired a black doctor and social worker to quell those fears.

The facts of the Negro Project suggest nothing more genocidal than a public health project. Black leaders DuBois and Mary McLeod Bethune, founder of the National Council of Negro Women, and the pastor of the influential black Abyssinian Baptist Church were members of its advisory council. First lady Eleanor Roosevelt was supportive.

For Sanger to launch a genocidal plot behind their backs and leave no true evidence in her numerous writings would require powers just shy of witchcraft.

Really, calling the Negro Project a genocidal plot defies common sense. Why would Sanger try to destroy a race of people by giving them access to the very thing she thought could make life better?

Planned Parenthood’s early objective was not to "help kill black babies before they came into the world."

Sanger failed to rise above the ethnic and racial paternalism of her time, but that’s a far cry from being genocidal.

Cain’s claim is a ridiculous, cynical play of the race card. We rate it Pants on Fire.

Not trying to diss, but you should be more critical and skeptical of what read.
 

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And you said snopes is 100% credible, yet I can find lots of evidence online of their inconsistencies within a lot of their articles...



You quoted snopes, a Urban Legend website ...



I'll tell you what, you do research, I'll do research and we come back tomorrow with gloves on
Snopes is a website that researches the factual accuracy of urban legends and myths and rated them as true, false, unproven, partially true, etc.

They called the claims about Sanger calling black people and others human weeds and wanting to extetminate black babies false because it is. The quote was made up.

You're ducking and dodging going after snopes though. I already cited factcheck.org, The Time, and Politifact saying the same thing.

Do you want me to keep going or do you want me to give you time to try and make a case that those 3 credible sources of journalism are illegitimate too?
 

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Snopes is a website that researches the factual accuracy of urban legends and myths and rated them as true, false, unproven, partially true, etc.

They called the claims about Sanger calling black people and others human weeds and wanting to extetminate black babies false because it is. The quote was made up.

You're ducking and dodging going after snopes though. I already cited factcheck.org, The Time, and Politifact saying the same thing.

Do you want me to keep going or do you want me to give you time to try and make a case that those 3 credible sources of journalism are illegitimate too?

Well I'm going to go straight to the horses mouth, no sources

Reading through her book, she definitely had an agenda, here's an excerpt from one of her various books:


The philosophy of Birth Control points out that as long as civilized communities encourage unrestrained fecundity in the "normal" members of the population—always of course under the cloak of decency and morality—and penalize every attempt to introduce the principle of discrimination and responsibility in parenthood, they will be faced with the ever-increasing problem of feeble-mindedness, that fertile parent of degeneracy, crime, and pauperism. Small as the percentage of the imbecile and half-witted may seem in comparison with the normal members of the community, it should always be remembered that feeble-mindedness is not an unrelated expression of modern civilization. Its roots strike deep into the social fabric. Modern studies indicate that insanity, epilepsy, criminality, prostitution, pauperism, and mental defect, are all organically bound up together and that the least intelligent and the thoroughly degenerate classes in every community are the most prolific. Feeble-mindedness in one generation becomes pauperism or insanity in the next. There is every indication that feeble-mindedness in its protean forms is on the increase, that it has leaped the barriers, and that there is truly, as some of the scientific eugenists have pointed out, a feeble-minded peril to future generations—unless the feeble-minded are prevented from reproducing their kind. To meet this emergency is the immediate and peremptory duty of every State and of all communities.

The curious situation has come about that while our statesmen are busy upon their propaganda of "repopulation," and are encouraging the production of large families, they are ignoring the exigent problem of the elimination of the feeble-minded. In this, however, the politicians are at one with the traditions of a civilization which, with its charities and philanthropies, has propped up the defective and degenerate and relieved them of the burdens borne by the healthy sections of the community, thus enabling them more easily and more numerously to propagate their kind. "With the very highest motives," declares Dr. Walter E. Fernald, "modern philanthropic efforts often tend to foster and increase the growth of defect in the community.... The only feeble-minded persons who now receive any official consideration are those who have already become dependent or delinquent, many of whom have already become parents. We lock the barn-door after the horse is stolen. We now have state commissions for controlling the gipsy-moth and the boll weevil, the foot-and-mouth disease, and for protecting the shell-fish and wild game, but we have no commission which even attempts to modify or to control the vast moral and economic forces represented by the feeble-minded persons at large in the community."

How the feeble-minded and their always numerous progeny run the gamut of police, alms-houses, courts, penal institutions, "charities and corrections," tramp shelters, lying-in hospitals, and relief afforded by privately endowed religious and social agencies, is shown in any number of reports and studies of family histories. We find cases of feeble-mindedness and mental defect in the reports on infant mortality referred to in a previous chapter, as well as in other reports published by the United States government. Here is a typical case showing the astonishing ability to "increase and multiply," organically bound up with delinquency and defect of various types:

"The parents of a feeble-minded girl, twenty years of age, who was committed to the Kansas State Industrial Farm on a vagrancy charge, lived in a thickly populated Negro district which was reported by the police to be the headquarters for the criminal element of the surrounding State.... The mother married at fourteen, and her first child was born at fifteen. In rapid succession she gave birth to sixteen live-born children and had one miscarriage. The first child, a girl, married but separated from her husband.... The fourth, fifth and sixth, all girls, died in infancy or early childhood. The seventh, a girl, remarried after the death of her husband, from whom she had been separated. The eighth, a boy who early in life began to exhibit criminal tendencies, was in prison for highway robbery and burglary. The ninth, a girl, normal mentally, was in quarantine at the Kansas State Industrial Farm at the time this study was made; she had lived with a man as his common-law wife, and had also been arrested several times for soliciting. The tenth, a boy, was involved in several delinquencies when young and was sent to the detention-house but did not remain there long. The eleventh, a boy... at the age of seventeen was sentenced to the penitentiary for twenty years on a charge of first-degree robbery; after serving a portion of his time, he was paroled, and later was shot and killed in a fight. The twelfth, a boy, was at fifteen years of age implicated in a murder and sent to the industrial school, but escaped from there on a bicycle which he had stolen; at eighteen, he was shot and killed by a woman. The thirteenth child, feeble-minded, is the girl of the study. The fourteenth, a boy was considered by police to be the best member of the family; his mother reported him to be much slower mentally than his sister just mentioned; he had been arrested several times. Once, he was held in the detention-home and once sent to the State Industrial school; at other times, he was placed on probation. The fifteenth, a girl sixteen years old, has for a long time had a bad reputation. Subsequent to the commitment of her sister to the Kansas State Industrial Farm, she was arrested on a charge of vagrancy, found to be syphilitic, and quarantined in a state other than Kansas. At the time of her arrest, she stated that prostitution was her occupation. The last child was a boy of thirteen years whose history was not secured...."(1)







I wonder who she's referring to when she says feeble-minded people.. :jbhmm:
 

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"Feeble-minded" was a common term people used to call people with mental deficiencies in the 19th century.

Feeble-minded - Wikipedia

So when she says a feeble-minded girl, in a thickly populated negro district, in which (and she goes out of her way to say this) was reported to be "headquarters for the criminal element" of the surrounding state,



She was just saying a mentally ill person right. She just added all those extra details to make the story longer right. There's no connection there. :mjpls:
 

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So when she says a feeble-minded girl, in a thickly populated negro district, in which (and she goes out of her way to say this) was reported to be "headquarters for the criminal element" of the surrounding state,



She was just saying a mentally ill person right. She just added all those extra details to make the story longer right. There's no connection there. :mjpls:
Sounds like she's describing a particular case in detail

I already said Sanger was racist, as was every white people in the 19th/early 20th century.

The claims in the OP are still false though.
 

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Sounds like she's describing a particular case in detail

I already said Sanger was racist, as was every white people in the 19th/early 20th century.

The claims in the OP are still false though.

So you admit she was racist, but don't make the connection when she says they need to purify the race, and stop the misfits from pro creating.....



Ok fam you win.
 
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