Givethanks
Superstar
I'm not an IT head but in my last role they'd come to me for IT related problems because my I went to school for Electronics engineering. It felt just like this
Software Development and Programming Careers (Official Discussion Thread)
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Not sure if anyone here was affected last week:
Rev Leon Lonnie Love
damned mine eyes, DAMNED mine eyes!!
Didn't think i'd have to play heavy office politics once I got to big tech...but man these insecure and racist old gatekeeping cacs are something else. Even worst if you dont come from their alumni circles, they immediately think you're not good enough and will challenge any engineering decision you make just for the fukk of it. code review sessions turning into warzones and shyt.
If the bag wasn't nice i'd tell em kiss my ass and GTFOH
If the bag wasn't nice i'd tell em kiss my ass and GTFOH
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@SymoneBeez
A clearance solves this
[Quoted tweet]
People are gonna take a shyt on this guy, but I think he was incredibly honest with everyone and himself.
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@SymoneBeez
A clearance solves this
[Quoted tweet]
People are gonna take a shyt on this guy, but I think he was incredibly honest with everyone and himself.
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@GayBearRes
People are gonna take a shyt on this guy, but I think he was incredibly honest with everyone and himself.
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2/12
@GayBearRes
3/12
@maceskridge
OP is probably going to go through a story arc where they try to become a chef, go to cooking school in Italy, then try to get a job as a gourmet chef, realize it’s harder than tech, work in at Chili’s for a couple months, then start applying to SDE roles again.
4/12
@GayBearRes
5/12
@JordanSVIC
Had to share:
6/12
@GayBearRes
Love it
7/12
@NotZainAgain
I feel like this dude just needs to lean into personal skills and be more of a PM. Mediocre engineers that are half decent communicators can thrive that way. He definitely seems right about his job viability being eliminated if he stays in pure software dev
8/12
@GayBearRes
If only PM jobs weren't tied to the number of engineers…
9/12
@VanyaWright
Programming + another skill works ok. Like programming + specialty finance expertise, for example. Programming on its own seems to be like this guy describes, but combined with other expertise it’s still marketable.
10/12
@GayBearRes
Yeah I don't think he was saying it’s bad for everyone, he just looked down the path for him and didn't like what he saw
11/12
@nicknow
I’m not gonna dump on him, but what’s he planning to do that is better? It’s unclear if he’s willing to take a big pay cut or not.
Software Dev is still a pretty good career comparatively.
12/12
@GayBearRes
All reasonable points
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@GayBearRes
People are gonna take a shyt on this guy, but I think he was incredibly honest with everyone and himself.
3 screenshots
2/12
@GayBearRes
3/12
@maceskridge
OP is probably going to go through a story arc where they try to become a chef, go to cooking school in Italy, then try to get a job as a gourmet chef, realize it’s harder than tech, work in at Chili’s for a couple months, then start applying to SDE roles again.
4/12
@GayBearRes
5/12
@JordanSVIC
Had to share:
6/12
@GayBearRes
Love it
7/12
@NotZainAgain
I feel like this dude just needs to lean into personal skills and be more of a PM. Mediocre engineers that are half decent communicators can thrive that way. He definitely seems right about his job viability being eliminated if he stays in pure software dev
8/12
@GayBearRes
If only PM jobs weren't tied to the number of engineers…
9/12
@VanyaWright
Programming + another skill works ok. Like programming + specialty finance expertise, for example. Programming on its own seems to be like this guy describes, but combined with other expertise it’s still marketable.
10/12
@GayBearRes
Yeah I don't think he was saying it’s bad for everyone, he just looked down the path for him and didn't like what he saw
11/12
@nicknow
I’m not gonna dump on him, but what’s he planning to do that is better? It’s unclear if he’s willing to take a big pay cut or not.
Software Dev is still a pretty good career comparatively.
12/12
@GayBearRes
All reasonable points
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Insensitive
Superstar
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@SymoneBeez
A clearance solves this
[Quoted tweet]
People are gonna take a shyt on this guy, but I think he was incredibly honest with everyone and himself.
3 screenshots
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1/12
@GayBearRes
People are gonna take a shyt on this guy, but I think he was incredibly honest with everyone and himself.
3 screenshots
2/12
@GayBearRes
3/12
@maceskridge
OP is probably going to go through a story arc where they try to become a chef, go to cooking school in Italy, then try to get a job as a gourmet chef, realize it’s harder than tech, work in at Chili’s for a couple months, then start applying to SDE roles again.
4/12
@GayBearRes
5/12
@JordanSVIC
Had to share:
6/12
@GayBearRes
Love it
7/12
@NotZainAgain
I feel like this dude just needs to lean into personal skills and be more of a PM. Mediocre engineers that are half decent communicators can thrive that way. He definitely seems right about his job viability being eliminated if he stays in pure software dev
8/12
@GayBearRes
If only PM jobs weren't tied to the number of engineers…
9/12
@VanyaWright
Programming + another skill works ok. Like programming + specialty finance expertise, for example. Programming on its own seems to be like this guy describes, but combined with other expertise it’s still marketable.
10/12
@GayBearRes
Yeah I don't think he was saying it’s bad for everyone, he just looked down the path for him and didn't like what he saw
11/12
@nicknow
I’m not gonna dump on him, but what’s he planning to do that is better? It’s unclear if he’s willing to take a big pay cut or not.
Software Dev is still a pretty good career comparatively.
12/12
@GayBearRes
All reasonable points
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I wasn't going to post but she's wrong a clearance does not solve that.
Those roles have a clear ceiling that is considerably lower than big tech (still high paying though).
Also, your skills are going to be limited to very specific projects that suit very specific niches like chip design (through VHDL),
Systems Engineering roles (typically utilizing Python or Java or Matlab), Software Engineering (typically using Java or Python)
even Data Science, Data Engineering and the like are still in many ways to cutting edge and too expensive for those firms.
I could go deep in it but I'm not exposing myself or what I'm privy too.
The secret clearance is powerful but not THAT powerful and I'd ague going the 'tech route" (in Aero/Defense)
depending on what you do, effectively traps you in that world. It's a lot harder to flip from there to big tech than
it is to go from Big tech to Aero/Defense.
That's just concerning compensation and skillset, it doesn't touch on the issues that involve maintaining employment, programs lose funding all the time.
PoorAndDangerous
Superstar
I’m in fintech, I sent a raise request letter to my CIO and CC’d my manager and she said they would ‘keep it in mind’ at regular end of year adjustments. So I started applying everywhere, have an interview with Meridianlink already, and I emailed our HR department asking for professional references from VP level employees that I do a lot of work for. They still haven’t emailed me back but someone in HR viewed my LinkedIn shortly after the email, and then the VP of HR viewed it at the end of the day, and my manager has been strangely positive and encouraging about an idea I had. So damn funny watching them scramble. I have a unique combination of deposit / loan / mortgage / Ira / I.T. / programming knowledge that makes me especially valuable in certain fintech positions.
PoorAndDangerous
Superstar
Also let me be clear, this isn’t some bum asking for a raise. I’ve more than earned it, this is the easiest slam dunk of HR’s life and they jerked my chain. I’ve worked for them for 7 years and survived a database conversion. Brothers, do not stop applying and interviewing at places. If you’re financially secure and employed you have nothing to lose. You can negotiate from a position of power or learn skills you need to focus on. Always seek to be the technical expert. Someone may have more institutional knowledge but that doesn’t mean you have to be far behind.
PoorAndDangerous
Superstar
I have some WILD updates to this entire story that I will post at a later date.
Secure Da Bag
Veteran
Ethnic Vagina Finder
The Great Paper Chaser
I’m a probably need to find a co-founder within the next 6 months 
New Junior Developers Can’t Actually Code
Something’s been bugging me about how new devs learn and I need to talk about it. We’re at this weird inflection point in software development. Every junior dev I talk to has Copilot or Claude or GPT running 24/7. They’re shipping code faster than ever. But when I dig deeper into their...
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Rev Leon Lonnie Love
damned mine eyes, DAMNED mine eyes!!
Fake news for engagement and AI fear mongeringNew Junior Developers Can’t Actually Code
Something’s been bugging me about how new devs learn and I need to talk about it. We’re at this weird inflection point in software development. Every junior dev I talk to has Copilot or Claude or GPT running 24/7. They’re shipping code faster than ever. But when I dig deeper into their...
.Most Juniors come from a STEM CS program where they programmed throughout their degree. No way they cant code unless they are the few that speed ran through a bootcamp and got an offer right after.
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Fake news for engagement and AI fear mongering
Most Juniors come from a STEM CS program where they programmed throughout their degree.
CS often doesn't have that much programming. do you have a CS degree? There is a lot of theory and math.
in america ?? the land of continual assessment (mass cheating) and multiple choice tests
denial
"
Cheating in Academic Institutions: A Decade of Research
Donald L. McCabe,Linda Klebe Trevino & Kenneth D. Butterfield
Pages 219-232 | Published online: 08 Jan 2010"
CS often doesn't have that much programming. do you have a CS degree? There is a lot of theory and math.
in america ?? the land of continual assessment (mass cheating) and multiple choice tests
denial
"
Cheating in Academic Institutions: A Decade of Research
Donald L. McCabe
,Linda Klebe Trevino & Kenneth D. Butterfield
Pages 219-232 | Published online: 08 Jan 2010"
cyndaquil
Lv 100 Bold natured
There are absolutely folks with CS degrees that can't code competently enough to ship any code to production. They might know how to use a language or two but they can't actively think of test cases, apply business logic, debug their own own code. So I'd say that article isn't completely invalid especially with the sheer number of students using vibe coding to get their through their degree programs.Fake news for engagement and AI fear mongering
Most Juniors come from a STEM CS program where they programmed throughout their degree. No way they cant code unless they are the few that speed ran through a bootcamp and got an offer right after.