SOHH Destiny has a 76 Metacritic right now

[MeachTheMonster]

If you really fail to see the similarities in Borderlands and Destiny you gotta be the dumbest gamer on Earth.

I never said they aren't similar. I said they are not "just alike" and that the idea that they share the same flaws is just not true.

Diablo, Destiny and Borderlands are all about the grind.

This is categorically untrue. Borderlands has a traditional campaign that is completed without any grinding whatsoever. The grind starts after 20 hours into the game, and is optional for people who really enjoy it. Diablo and destiny are about the grind from day one. In fact you can't complete all the missions without grinding.

Most MMO's don't even truly start till you hit max level, when the truly difficult raids, dungeons, etc. open up.

This is totally untrue when it comes to borderlands, which is why its not very similar to destiny or diablo.

The gameplay and mechanics in WoW vs. Diablo are very different and require entirely different playstyles and setups.

The gameplay and mechanics in destiny and borderlands are very different and require entirely different playstyles and setups.

The fact remains you can take any group of people with any classes into a Diablo/Destiny/Borderlands room and be completely fine. If you take 4 of the same class/role into a dungeon/raid/PVP on WoW(or any clone MMO's like Rift), you're good as fukked. You need people that specialize in specific roles and classes(Healers, tanks, etc.) to last in that game, and they need to all be on the same page(so Vent/teamspeak is very necessary). The games rely on very different skillsets, knowledge, and the gameplay depth in WoW(and most MMO's) alone is much more than these games could HOPE to offer. BL and Destiny are very similar in a great number of ways besides the general statements I made about them, but they are both very shallow in terms of depth. Destiny and Borderlands play similarly, although they have very different marks they're aiming for. Destiny is just trying to expand on what Borderlands has already accomplished by bringing in MMO aspects such as Raids and post-cap levels. However, Destiny is more Diablo than WoW, and definitely holds similarities to Borderlands. If anything, I don't get the Mass Effect comparisons. That's a fukking third person shooter.

All you've said here is that all three games share similarities but are very different. I agree

And just for good measure, Meach, can you tell me how many hours you've put into Borderlands, Diablo, Destiny, and any MMO of your choice??? You sure like to speak on a lot of games but I don't believe you be puttin in that time for as much as you talk.

Once again, if your argument relies on personal attacks then don't make it.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

From Jim Sterling

While it's drawn many comparisons to Borderlands, I personally don't see it, outside of the bullet-sponge enemies and loot-based gear system. It's got a far more traditional MMO core than anybody seems to be giving it credit for, with a structure almost identical to the massively multiplayer games that have spawned in droves since the popularity of World of Warcraft. From its hub world filled with faction heads, stores, and quest givers, to the way in which enemies stand rigidly at their posts and await the arrival of players, there is absolutely no denying (with a straight face) thatDestiny is built exactly like an MMO. None of this "shared-world shooter" waffle. It is what it is - an attempt to weld Halo to WoW.

I guess he's the dumbest gamer ever and has never played either game just like me

 

[Zebruh]

I never said they aren't similar. I said they are not "just alike" and that the idea that they share the same flaws is just not true.

Never said they were "just alike" either. Said they have similarities breh but okay. And who said anything about flaws??? If you don't see the similarities in the two games, you're blind. Simple as that.


This is categorically untrue. Borderlands has a traditional campaign that is completed without any grinding whatsoever. The grind starts after 20 hours into the game, and is optional for people who really enjoy it. Diablo and destiny are about the grind from day one. In fact you can't complete all the missions without grinding.

Categorically untrue? The game is all about the grind. What kind of Borderlands are you playing? Just because you can beat the game by doing only main quests does not mean the game isn't about the grind. Otherwise, the loot/RPG aspect is pointless, it'd just be a Halo or a CoD campaign. The game is about getting loot, which is something you'll be grinding for.

This is totally untrue when it comes to borderlands, which is why its not very similar to destiny or diablo.

What's totally untrue breh? MMO's don't truly start til you hit max level because the idea in a lot of them is to beat the endgame, post-cap content. Borderlands has a little extra content at the end, but the game is still about the grind to max level, not what you do at max level. Aside from trying to improve your gear, the endgame of Borderlands consists of starting a new character or being a completionist. While fun, it's nothing more than what Diablo offers with the Adventure Mode and the Rifts. The extra content once you max out isn't comparable to anything in WoW at all, whereas Destiny is offering Raids(an MMO feature) to try to differ from Diablo and Borderlands.

The gameplay and mechanics in destiny and borderlands are very different and require entirely different playstyles and setups.

They require very basic shooter skill and knowledge to play fluently, they don't toss anything in the mix to switch up the gameplay approach. They don't require different playstyles at all, just basic kiting skills. You can try to flip this shyt however you want but two FPS games won't offer the amount of difference you get comparing Diablo and WoW. The games share similar ideas, while aiming for different marks. As I've continued to say.

All you've said here is that all three games share similarities but are very different. I agree

Glad you agree with my point on the games having similarities but pushing for different marks.

Once again, if your argument relies on personal attacks then don't make it.

All I'm hearing is you don't play none of this shyt.

From Jim Sterling



I guess he's the dumbest gamer ever and has never played either game just like me

When you look at it this way...

Spoiler

Dumb as fukk.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Never said they were "just alike" either. Said they have similarities breh but okay. And who said anything about flaws??? If you don't see the similarities in the two games, you're blind. Simple as that.

The poster I was responding to said those things, my post was in reference to that when you jumped in.

Categorically untrue? The game is all about the grind. What kind of Borderlands are you playing? Just because you can beat the game by doing only main quests does not mean the game isn't about the grind. Otherwise, the loot/RPG aspect is pointless, it'd just be a Halo or a CoD campaign. The game is about getting loot, which is something you'll be grinding for.

You don't have to grind for the loot. You get it by following the normal story arch and finding chests. I played through both borderlands games and never "grinded" for anything. You can choose to grind and keep playing after the story is over but that's not what the game is about.

What's totally untrue breh? MMO's don't truly start til you hit max level because the idea in a lot of them is to beat the endgame, post-cap content. Borderlands has a little extra content at the end, but the game is still about the grind to max level, not what you do at max level. Aside from trying to improve your gear, the endgame of Borderlands consists of starting a new character or being a completionist. While fun, it's nothing more than what Diablo offers with the Adventure Mode and the Rifts. The extra content once you max out isn't comparable to anything in WoW at all, whereas Destiny is offering Raids(an MMO feature) to try to differ from Diablo and Borderlands.

No borderlands "starts" right at the beginning of the game. You don't even need to participate in the "end game" to get the best of the game.

They require very basic shooter skill and knowledge to play fluently, they don't toss anything in the mix to switch up the gameplay approach. They don't require different playstyles at all, just basic kiting skills. You can try to flip this shyt however you want but two FPS games won't offer the amount of difference you get comparing Diablo and WoW. The games share similar ideas, while aiming for different marks. As I've continued to say.

The gunplay is very different in both games. The enemies take different strategies to defeat. There are different powers and effects that make the challenge and strategy very different between the games. Just like you can dig deeper to point out the differences in combat between diablo and wow, the same can done for BL and destiny.

What you're doing is the equivalent of me saying "both wow and diablo are melee based 3rd person action games , therefore the gameplay is the same"

Glad you agree with my point on the games having similarities but pushing for different marks.

This was the first thing I said

Jump in others conversation without even understanding what you're arguing brehs.

When you look at it this way...

Spoiler

Dumb as fukk.

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Yes you are [/QUOTE]

 

[Da King]

I played the alpha and beta, the game looks good but it's boring as fukk and mad empty


Stop trying to hype this shyt because y'all got buyers remorse

 

[daemonova]

 

[ltheghost]

Look I don't want to be controversial or anything but I'm getting tired of these FPS hype trains. In all honesty a FPS needs to be simple. (Put thing in front of me and I shoot it.) Trying to meld a RPG with it on some space boarderlands shyt is just doing too much. I don't know what it is but my disrespect and dislike for the entire FPS genre has grown over the years. I thought TitanFall was pure shyt just based off the idea that people would pay big bucks for a MP shooter and the way Microsoft was acting like it was Jesus resurrected. Now we got this hype train for what is (arguably) a 7 out of 10 game. That's red box status my brehs. But that just goes to show what the industry thinks of us as Gamers. Throw these nikkas a Madden or a shooter and they will sell their children to cop it. This bullshyt wouldn't fly back in the 90s. When you had to drop a dope game or your company would fall. Then you have these weak ass video game reviewers out here acting like movie reviewers but are nerdy losers who are paid by the industry. At least Nintendo Power was honest back in the day about their bullshyt. It's all about these greedy companies preying on our nativity. They think they figured us out, so they will dictate what we will love and buy. It's just fukkery at the end of the day.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

Look I don't want to be controversial or anything but I'm getting tired of these FPS hype trains. In all honesty a FPS needs to be simple. (Put thing in front of me and I shoot it.) Trying to meld a RPG with it on some space boarderlands shyt is just doing too much. I don't know what it is but my disrespect and dislike for the entire FPS genre has grown over the years. I thought TitanFall was pure shyt just based off the idea that people would pay big bucks for a MP shooter and the way Microsoft was acting like it was Jesus resurrected. Now we got this hype train for what is (arguably) a 7 out of 10 game. That's red box status my brehs. But that just goes to show what the industry thinks of us as Gamers. Throw these nikkas a Madden or a shooter and they will sell their children to cop it. This bullshyt wouldn't fly back in the 90s. When you had to drop a dope game or your company would fall. Then you have these weak ass video game reviewers out here acting like movie reviewers but are nerdy losers who are paid by the industry. At least Nintendo Power was honest back in the day about their bullshyt. It's all about these greedy companies preying on our nativity. They think they figured us out, so they will dictate what we will love and buy. It's just fukkery at the end of the day.

Why are you morons always mentioning Titanfall in your defense of this crap game? Titanfall is regarded as the best next gen shooter, based on popularity and sales. You can personally dislike the game all day, but the numbers speak for themselves, both critically and financially.

This destiny game is garbage. Borderlands 2 is actually ALOT more entertaining than this game. Honestly, playing Destiny made me appreciate Borderlands 2 and Halo that much more.

EDIT: I can't believe they spent 500 million on this!

 

[ltheghost]

Why are you morons always mentioning Titanfall in your defense of this crap game? Titanfall is regarded as the best next gen shooter, based on popularity and sales. You can personally dislike the game all day, but the numbers speak for themselves, both critically and financially.

This destiny game is garbage. Borderlands 2 is actually ALOT more entertaining than this game. Honestly, playing Destiny made me appreciate Borderlands 2 and Halo that much more.

The hype for Titanfall was just as crazy and stupid as Destiny. And guess what in my opinion nikkas are smoking sherm to pay full price for a MP game on a console with no single player. But hey if you like that's you, I'm pointing out the hype for FPS that are traditionally games you play for 3-4 days but they are acting like these shyts are Skyrim revolutionary. Like seriously, what has Titanfall changed about FPS a genre? lol Is Titanfall even fukkin with Portal or even Counter Strike? I'm just sayin.


And I'm not defending Destiny at all. (if you read my previous post) You just didn't like me bringing up that crapfest Titanfall..lol It's all good. Microsoft will have all yall playing a real game like Minecraft pretty soon.

 

[Czerka]

The hype for Titanfall was just as crazy and stupid as Destiny. And guess what in my opinion nikkas are smoking sherm to pay full price for a MP game on a console with no single player. But hey if you like that's you, I'm pointing out the hype for FPS that are traditionally games you play for 3-4 days but they are acting like these shyts are Skyrim revolutionary. Like seriously, what has Titanfall changed about FPS a genre? lol Is Titanfall even fukkin with Portal or even Counter Strike? I'm just sayin.

 

[KushSkywalker]

EDIT: I can't believe they spent 500 million on this!

Spread across 10 years though, that's the total budget for a decade

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

The hype for Titanfall was just as crazy and stupid as Destiny. And guess what in my opinion nikkas are smoking sherm to pay full price for a MP game on a console with no single player. But hey if you like that's you, I'm pointing out the hype for FPS that are traditionally games you play for 3-4 days but they are acting like these shyts are Skyrim revolutionary. Like seriously, what has Titanfall changed about FPS a genre? lol Is Titanfall even fukkin with Portal or even Counter Strike? I'm just sayin.

You're joking right? I'm just going to put these here:

 

[ltheghost]

Yeah I went there.

 

[ltheghost]

You're joking right? I'm just going to put these here:

Not even impressed. I was more impressed with Crysis or even Turok (old school) shyt Goldeneye my nig!!! Not some jumping around fake ass Gundam Wing...with no single player....But hey you loved it and they got their money. So it is what it is. So.....I guess you are still playing it everyday right? lol

 

[Zebruh]

The poster I was responding to said those things, my post was in reference to that when you jumped in.



You don't have to grind for the loot. You get it by following the normal story arch and finding chests. I played through both borderlands games and never "grinded" for anything. You can choose to grind and keep playing after the story is over but that's not what the game is about.



No borderlands "starts" right at the beginning of the game. You don't even need to participate in the "end game" to get the best of the game.



The gunplay is very different in both games. The enemies take different strategies to defeat. There are different powers and effects that make the challenge and strategy very different between the games. Just like you can dig deeper to point out the differences in combat between diablo and wow, the same can done for BL and destiny.

What you're doing is the equivalent of me saying "both wow and diablo are melee based 3rd person action games , therefore the gameplay is the same"


This was the first thing I said

Jump in others conversation without even understanding what you're arguing brehs.

Yes you are [/QUOTE][/QUOTE]


End of the day, Destiny and Borderlands DO have a lot of similarities and I don't see how anybody can't see or acknowledge that. WoW and Diablo aren't the same(as I stated before, WoW starts at max level, the rest are about the grind TO max level), quit trying to even make that comparison. The games barely even fall into the same genre(which is usually the first step you take towards making comparisons). I loved both BL's(double dipped on 2 for 360/PC) and Destiny been getting great amounts of burn. If Destiny wasn't focused on expanding more into MMO territory, this game would be an even shallower BL clone in essence, and both games aren't even deep. Period. Hate on it.