Some burning questions for those who've played both the X1 & PS4

[Fatboi1]

No one said the ps4 was tapped out or it would stagnate. At this point in the game neither are anywhere near being used to their full potential.

At this time the Xbox is running at -5 and the ps4 is at 0. Both will get better and eventually end at 10. Ps4 will always have a better gpu but with both systems running at 10 the "gap" will be much smaller than it is today.

Why do you assume the xbox is running at "-5"?

Tools closed the gap every gen including last gen and the same will happen here.

Umm, the gap last gen wasn't as big as this gen though. I see you refuse to admit that over and over again. We had this conversation a million time already, PS3 wasn't no "50%" weaker or lacked pure raw specs in comparision to 360, it just was harder to develop for. I always point to the exclusives looking amazing. Games like Killzone, Uncharted, Heavy Rain, God of War looked light years ahead of any 360 exclusive. There was almost always much more stuff going on with these pS3 exclusives. Basically, ignore last gen when it comes to now because what arguments could be made last gen won't apply today as it's new hardware.

It's very disengeous of you to compare the difference in power between the wii u and X1. As anywhere near the same difference as the one between x1 and ps4. Ps4 and x1 are a generation ahead of wii u, and they are both in the same league as each other. It's just like if you have a 660 and I have a 670 we will get very similar and sometimes even equal perfomance depending on the game/engine/dev/drivers. The same holds true for consoles, but even more so because they are closed systems.

A 660 and a 670 isn't really a good comparison. Something more like a Radeon 7770-7790 vs a 7870(PS4) is more accurate since that's roughly what the gpu in both consoles have.
Again, dev tools will not "close" the power gap. A 660 and a 670 will not have EQUAL performance at all. You can get by with a 660 but a 670 will always be ahead of a 660.
Look at the benchmark comparisons between a 660 and a 670.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/660?vs=598
A 670 is outright better than a 660, no way to slice it.

As you said the power difference is not enough to dictate which system you should buy games on. So why is it that you try to exaggerate the difference every chance you get?

There is no exaggeration here, the power difference is important because the weaker console costs more upfront. That's like paying MORE for a GTX 660 than a gtx 670. Like I said earlier, for someone who ONLY owns an xbox one, the power difference isn't substantial enough to go out and buy a PS4 just to play a multiplat game but to owners of both, it's pretty easy to choose PS4 as the default console for multiplats. If you bought a Xbox One and you wanted to play Forza but you also happen to be a big BF4 fan, bf4 in 900p with a little bit more polish isn't worth a purhcase.

This is coming from devs. The systems are very close and will only get closer. I don't know why y'all want to pretend you know more than the people working on the games. Raw power is not the only thing that dictates the performance of a game. Dev schedules/skill/engines play a large roll in the perfomance of a game. Devs push for parity, if a ps4 game is already running at 1080p 60fps they'll spend more time getting the x1 version up to snuff before they try taking the ps4 version even further. It's what happened last gen and the same will happen here.

You ask why we pretend to know more than the people working on the games under the same breath as you saying that the systems are very close in power and that they will "close" this gap. I mean really? Engines and dev competence play a role in a performance of a game but the part you seemingly want to ignore is that if a dev is making games on both platforms, the PS4 will always benefit from improvements because it can afford to due to it's raw power. If a dev creates a simple game that isn't taxing on both consoles, you can't try to use that as a argument to say that they are close in power. Their target probably doesn't use up the hardware.

 

[Ineedmoney504]

I'm one of the ones that made the switch from 360 to ps4

The reason being because of Microsoft BS former (and some current) policies. Also, during the second half of the 360 gen, I was very let down as far as exclusives go

I play my homies XB1 often and here's what I think

On the xb1, I've played TitanFall and Killer Instinct
Graphically, these games didn't impress me (KI did slightly) but the fun factor in both outweighs it to the point you forget about graphics (but that's one of the points of going next gen tho)
I REALLY wish KI was on ps4 or 360 (fighting game head) but oh well, just something I'll miss out on
TitanFall looks (didn't say play) like something that can be pulled off on the 360 at 30fps and you'll get just about the same game
The user interface is nice, and so is the cable integration, but I cut cable a while ago so that wasn't a selling point for me
(Note: I didn't play the games that are praised graphically like Ryse and Forza)
Oh, and the Kinect was rarely used except for voice commands, which it didn't respond very well to.


As far as the ps4 goes
Let me get one thing out in the air, coming from 360 to ps4, I fukking hate the user interface, hopefully it gets updated soon
The first game I bought was battlefield 4 (battlefield 3 head also) and I immediately noticed the difference going from bf3 in the 360 to bf4 on the ps4. Its like night and day. The graphics, textures, destruction, lighting, frame rate, etc was all on point. I really felt like I was playing a next gen game.
I bought Outlast because I love horror games. Graphically it didn't impress me, but was very fun to play and beat.
Next game I bought was Infamous. This game truly felt next gen as far as graphics go also. Everything from the powers and environment is fukking beautiful. I beat the good side already, going to play evil this weekend. As far as gameplay goes, its nothing you haven't done in GTA or prototype. Graphics 9/10 Gameplay 8/10
The controller on the ps4 does more than the xb1
As I stated in another thread, I don't regret making the switch one bit.



So, from my experience:

XB1
pros:
-Loved the UI (dashboard)
-The cable integration is a nice feature
-Games were fun
-Felt right at home with the controller
-More exclusives atm

cons:
-graphically, wasn't very impressed with the games I played
-Bullshyt policies (currently the online check in )
-Kinect is pretty much the same as last gen, plus you have to have one (ugh)
-more expensive
-Least powerful of the two


PS4
pros:
-the games I played felt next gen
-the controller feels next gen and innovative
-More powerful of the two
-Least expensive of the two
-The camera is optional :D
-free games monthly with ps+

Cons:
-The UI (dashboard) is shyt
-Marketplace feels better than PSN in my opinion
-Had to jump through loops to get onto PSN and get cash onto there (used a Paypal workaround)

I feel that both are next gen in their own way. The xb1 is definitely next gen as a entertainment system as a whole. Ps4 feels next gen as far as gaming goes. Depends on what you want. And I'm sure I would have got the same feeling from bf4 on the xb1 if I would have played it there first.

What xbox you played? Xbox dont have a online check in, and kinect does have to be plugged in either

 

[winb83]

How’s the leap graphically compared to its predecessor? Is it worthy of note. Can you actually tell the difference graphically between the X360/X1 or the PS3/PS4 this early in the series without trying really hard?
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Its noticeable. You can tell the difference between generations but its less obvious when a game wasn't built for the new generation.

Since you’ve played both systems or own them both, how much better is the PS4’s graphics compared to the X1. Lots of talk and specifications showing PS4 is better. Can you noticeably tell the difference if you had 2 TVs in front of you with the same game not knowing which system was on each, how?​

The Xbox One looks good enough. I've never made a direct comparison but either one is fine.

What’s the best part of owning each system? Once again Stanning aside; if you had to sell each system to some random ex gamer, what would be the feature that you’d concentrate on. This for each system
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PS4-

X1-

*The purpose of this thread is to give non-console war stans who have yet to grab a system the least (stan'd) idea of each system. This while being able to wager light pros and cons of each​

I wouldn't recommend buying an Xbox One unless you want Xbox One games like Quantum Break or Halo. I like the voice commands. The Xbox One is my Blu-Ray player of choice right now. I also use it to watch TV. The Netflix interface on it could be better but overall the Xbox One makes a better multimedia box than the PS4.

If you just want a console to play games on the PS4 is the best choice. It's cheaper and more powerful and for the most part the libraries on these consoles will be 80% the same. Why pay more than you have to? However if you're interested in Microsoft games or you like the more multimedia focus or even if you can get a good deal the Xbox One is a great choice. Right now it has the better overall exclusive library of games and has been getting more updates that add functionality as of late.

 

[Brief Keef]

Yes the graphics are much better, especially on non cross gen titles. As for the PS4 vs Xbox, graphics look better on PS4. For example, I've seen BF4 on both current gen consoles. BF4 on xbox has noticeble lower res and has aliasing issues. But its not too crazy a difference. Honestly, if you are more into gaming, get a PS4. The community is stronger, multiplats will look/play better, and you know the first party games are always strong. If you want more entertainment outside games, get an Xbox one. The Kinect is interesting, the TV integration is smooth, and they have a lot more apps. Me personally I dont care for all of that so my choice would be PS4.

 

[CurrencyChase]

http://us.playstation.com/playstationnow/


will eventually include ps1 and ps2 games


x1 cant touch that

you were an Xbox a couple months ago right. Or am I mistaking you for dinnerti

 

[Fatboi1]

What's so funny about that?? There's more people on the PS4 period right now.

 

[BonafideDefacto]

The biggest thing we(as a previous generation XboT) had over 3cepts was the interface
From what y'all are saying the Sony interface(pre game, apps, simplicity and useability) has not only improved but darn near surpassed Microsofts


That's kinda hard to believe
being how much ground Sony had to makeup and also being how much Microsoft concentrated on this rather than Hardware(Graphics)


Somebody please tell me different
I can't imagine a world where Microsoft let Sony catch-up in this area
This was our area of 'concentrated bragging'

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[The G.O.D II]

*Looks on PSN list and sees ppl playing GAMES(BF, infamous, etc)

*looks on XB list and sees half of friends watching TV, ESPN*

 

[#StarkSet]

The biggest thing we(as a previous generation XboT) had over 3cepts was the interface
From what y'all are saying the Sony interface(pre game, apps, simplicity and useability) has not only improved but darn near surpassed Microsofts


That's kinda hard to believe
being how much ground Sony had to makeup and also being how much Microsoft concentrated on this rather than Hardware(Graphics)


Somebody please tell me different
I can't imagine a world where Microsoft let Sony catch-up in this area
This was our area of 'concentrated bragging'

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X1 is setup better but it's laggy and slow as shyt

 

[#StarkSet]

you were an Xbox a couple months ago right. Or am I mistaking you for dinnerti

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Why do you assume the xbox is running at "-5"?

Because that's what devs said.

Umm, the gap last gen wasn't as big as this gen though.

says who?

I see you refuse to admit that over and over again. We had this conversation a million time already, PS3 wasn't no "50%" weaker or lacked pure raw specs in comparision to 360, it just was harder to develop for.

The only reason you have that 50% number is because a dev said it. That same dev also said that number will decrease AND that ps3 was weaker than 360. You can't take part of his stamtement as gospel then deny the rest.

I always point to the exclusives looking amazing. Games like Killzone, Uncharted, Heavy Rain, God of War looked light years ahead of any 360 exclusive. There was almost always much more stuff going on with these pS3 exclusives. Basically, ignore last gen when it comes to now because what arguments could be made last gen won't apply today as it's new hardware.

None of this is true. If your gonna argue with fallacies. Then there is no point in continuing on.

A 660 and a 670 isn't really a good comparison. Something more like a Radeon 7770-7790 vs a 7870(PS4) is more accurate since that's roughly what the gpu in both consoles have.

Neither gpu is really comparable to an off the shelf product. Especially in the case of the Xbox.

Again, dev tools will not "close" the power gap. A 660 and a 670 will not have EQUAL performance at all. You can get by with a 660 but a 670 will always be ahead of a 660.
Look at the benchmark comparisons between a 660 and a 670.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/660?vs=598
A 670 is outright better than a 660, no way to slice it.

Look at those benchmarks. In most cases your getting 10 extra fps. On consoles where framerates will be capped that differences doesn't really matter. And once agin devs optimize for parity.

There is no exaggeration here, the power difference is important because the weaker console costs more upfront. That's like paying MORE for a GTX 660 than a gtx 670.

And here you pretend a gpu is all you get with a console purchase.

You ask why we pretend to know more than the people working on the games under the same breath as you saying that the systems are very close in power and that they will "close" this gap. I mean really?

everything I've said comes from developers that actually work on the games.

Engines and dev competence play a role in a performance of a game but the part you seemingly want to ignore is that if a dev is making games on both platforms, the PS4 will always benefit from improvements because it can afford to due to it's raw power. If a dev creates a simple game that isn't taxing on both consoles, you can't try to use that as a argument to say that they are close in power. Their target probably doesn't use up the hardware.

And here you pretend you can get some true of transformative experince out of 10 fps.

Yes the ps4 will always be more powerful. I know it feels good for you to say that. But that power difference is not enough to fundamentally change anyone's experience.At the beginning of the generation when that difference is at its height. It only amounts to resolution differences in some games. And some of those games perform better on Xbox at lower resolutions. As devs get more time with the systems and build engines around their unique aspects things will even out a little more as it always has.

 

[NatiboyB]

*Looks on PSN list and sees ppl playing GAMES(BF, infamous, etc)

*looks on XB list and sees half of friends watching TV, ESPN*

It's true...shyt @Hiphoplives4eva ain't played a game in 7 days and the last one was just dance but he's been watching tv...

I like gaming with cats on the coli my gamertag is Liljayhawktt

 

[Fatboi1]

Because that's what devs said.

says who?


The only reason you have that 50% number is because a dev said it. That same dev also said that number will decrease AND that ps3 was weaker than 360. You can't take part of his stamtement as gospel then deny the rest.

None of this is true. If your gonna argue with fallacies. Then there is no point in continuing on.


Neither gpu is really comparable to an off the shelf product. Especially in the case of the Xbox.


Look at those benchmarks. In most cases your getting 10 extra fps. On consoles where framerates will be capped that differences doesn't really matter. And once agin devs optimize for parity.


And here you pretend a gpu is all you get with a console purchase.

everything I've said comes from developers that actually work on the games.
And here you pretend you can get some true of transformative experince out of 10 fps.

Yes the ps4 will always be more powerful. I know it feels good for you to say that. But that power difference is not enough to fundamentally change anyone's experience. At the begening of the generation when that difference is at its height. It only amounts to resolution differences in some games. And some of those games perform better on Xbox at lower resolutions. As devs get more time with the systems and build engines around their unique aspects things will even out a little more as it always has.

*sigh*

 

[CurrencyChase]

what's so hard to understand?

 

[winb83]

*Looks on PSN list and sees ppl playing GAMES(BF, infamous, etc)

*looks on XB list and sees half of friends watching TV, ESPN*

That's because most people's Xbox One is always on or on way more than their PS4. Those people watching TV can still get invites and messages and just as easy switch from watching TV to playing a game. If you're at home watching TV your PS4 is likely on standby.