Sons of Rich Blacks Fare No Better than Working Class White Sons - but different finding for Women

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I find it interesting that someone can grew up rich to living poverty. That's not an easy adjustment.

Happens all the time in the black community. It's a different era we're living in, where we now experience a more covert racism that has steadily insinuated itself in all institutions of our society since the civil rights era. The money made by our forebears in the wake of desegregation should have trickled down to us, but it hasn't precisely because discrimination against the children of the civil rights era increased - drug laws, affirmative action aiding white women more than its intended beneficiaries, redlining, etc. :francis:
 

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AAs are kinda fukked. I feel really bad for the well to do women who feel pressured ‘cause that might have to pick from this bunch, which is why I’m not truly bothered when they wench or whatever.

Most of my social circle is non-AA black men and we all are either doing well or in the process (college, entry-level, etc).

Saw nikkas in nice neighborhoods and who went to good schools fail at life. nikkas who didn’t know how to read at their grade level, gravitated towards BS, oversexed, etc. What a failure of a group y’all are.

If I ever have a son I’m gonna make sure I’m there every step of the way cuz I wouldn’t want him to turn out like y’all.
 

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And @String Bell no one said Black men are "privileged" the claim is that Black men have a privilege courtesy of their being Black (lower sexual abuse rates, lower domestic violence rates, sex-trafficking is less of a danger, higher pay than their female counterparts in many fields, etc.) The trade-off for Black men is that due to poverty, violence is endemic.
Reading is fundamental.

I don't know what the significance of setting these qualifiers to specify only certain 'types' of violence over others is, instead of just getting down to the nitty gritty on violence in general in the black community of which black males face at an exponentially higher rate than black females.

In the US:

Black male homicide rate - 32.78 per 100,000.

Black female homicide rate - 4.51 per 100,000
http://www.vpc.org/studies/blackhomicide15.pdf

And then you can just add that to the list of all the other ways in which black males are the most disadvantaged in society, along with rates of hiring, firing, unemployment, school punishments, school suspensions, being placed in juvenile, arrest, sentencing, false accusations, false imprisonment, homelessness, police brutality etc etc And it becomes quite clear that black males have it far worse than black females in this society. I mean, you'd have to perform some pretty fancy mental gymnastics to deny that in light of all of the tangible evidence.

And even if you do want to talk about sexual violence, males technically face higher rates of it than women, when you include that which happens in the prisons of america which, vastly outnumbers those that happen out of of prison.

Sexual abuse In 2011

Prison - 200,000 cases

Free world - 67,502 cases​
The Shame of Our Prisons: New Evidence


As in previous studies, the rates of inmate-on-inmate sexual abuse reported by women were dramatically higher than the corresponding rates reported by men: among prisoners, 6.9 percent versus 1.7 percent. Men, on the other hand, reported higher rates than women of sexual misconduct by staff members (most of which is committed by staff of the opposite sex),3 and in juvenile detention, boys reported much higher rates of abuse by staff than girls did—most, again, committed by women.

The new studies confirm previous findings that most of those who commit sexual abuse in detention are corrections staff, not inmates. That is true in all types of detention facilities, but especially in juvenile facilities.

As is the case in adult facilities, blacks in juvenile detention are more likely than whites to report staff sexual misconduct, and whites are more likely than blacks to report inmate-on-inmate sexual abuse. Unlike the National Inmate Survey, the new National Survey of Youth in Custody asked respondents to identify the race of inmates who had sexually abused them. Although there are more blacks than whites in juvenile detention, more whites abused their fellow inmates.

So you can add black males, particularly black boys, having the highest rate of being victims of sexual assault in detention centers to the list, which in of itself is tied into mass incarcerations, disproportionate sentencing, false imprisonment, and the school to prison-pipeline which also affects black males more than any other demographic including black females and all other races of males.

Now as for the domestic violence claim, in which you seem to be conflating IPV with DV in general, and failing to include child abuse which makes up a very significant portion of the total DV, maybe even most.

Now, FILICIDES(parents killing kids) is an area where black women have to take primary responsibility, as they commit most of it. A study done by researches in Michigan who collected data on women in state prisons throughout the country found that of female filicide(parents killing children) offenders black women despite being %12 of the female population committed %71 of the filicides done by women, the most common victims were black boys.
When mothers kill their children


Most victims of single person committed filicide are boys.
Breaking the Science: 71% of Children Killed by One Parent are Killed by Their Mothers; 60% of Victims are Boys

TL;DR There almost no tangible ways in which black males are advantaged over black females in this society.

@SharinganBoy Breh, I was trying to fall back and lurk for a while, but I couldn't ignore this. I'm getting sick of this black female exceptionalism narrative, where they're said to be more 'oppressed', but are able to climb the social ladder more than black males due to supposedly being exceptionally smart, hard working, and moral. Basically diminishing our struggles while attempting to attribute our hardships to our flaws.
 
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Solution:
Specifically for black folks like how Native Americans, Asians, Hispanics, LGBT
-Free tuition at State Universities
-Income bracket lower
 

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AAs are kinda fukked. I feel really bad for the well to do women who feel pressured ‘cause that might have to pick from this bunch, which is why I’m not truly bothered when they wench or whatever.

Most of my social circle is non-AA black men and we all are either doing well or in the process (college, entry-level, etc).

Saw nikkas in nice neighborhoods and who went to good schools fail at life. nikkas who didn’t know how to read at their grade level, gravitated towards BS, oversexed, etc. What a failure of a group y’all are.

If I ever have a son I’m gonna make sure I’m there every step of the way cuz I wouldn’t want him to turn out like y’all.

...aaand these are the people who are pontentially our "peers" or "bosses" out here.
 

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I'm not sure this is true.

Man...I be tempted everyday.

Last time I sold some shyt, was in HS....it was weed though. :hubie:

I ain't rich but I ain't that bad...

shyt JPrince sons walking around here with 50 goons...


...aaand these are the people who are pontentially our "peers" or "bosses" out here.

Tried to tell them...:usure:
 

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Thankfully I grew up in a household that encouraged entrepreneurship and I was able to skip alot of problems such as employment opportunity or figuring out how to pay for college etc, but I could see how boys from successful families could end up in the struggle.

If I wasn't a natural entrepreneur at heart and didn't have the family business as a safety net... all I would have is a degree and the faith that some Corporation would hire me and pay me for what I have to offer and the skills that I acquired


At the end of the day it's still a white man's world.... it doesn't matter how much money your family has if you don't have any type of ownership or power.... youre still at the mercy of the dominant Society so it's very easy to see how many boys from successful families could fall into the struggle by believing the american dream


I got a cousin who graduated from college a few years ago and still sitting at home waiting on his day to come
 

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AAs are kinda fukked. I feel really bad for the well to do women who feel pressured ‘cause that might have to pick from this bunch, which is why I’m not truly bothered when they wench or whatever.

Most of my social circle is non-AA black men and we all are either doing well or in the process (college, entry-level, etc).

Saw nikkas in nice neighborhoods and who went to good schools fail at life. nikkas who didn’t know how to read at their grade level, gravitated towards BS, oversexed, etc. What a failure of a group y’all are.

If I ever have a son I’m gonna make sure I’m there every step of the way cuz I wouldn’t want him to turn out like y’all.
this is bait y’all, don’t fall for it
 

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So you gonna let these "studies" and cacs stop you? That's what they want you to do....quit and not be shyt. Refuse to give them the satisfaction. We are used to always having to do more than our counterparts. shyt ain't nothing new. Education is something NO ONE can take away from you...take advantage of it and treat it seriously in your household. And truth be told, companies DO like having diversity. Now when it gets to those higher positions, it's definitely something that is harder, but it's not impossible.

Look at all the brothers throughout history who found a way to be successful in times much worse than we have today. fukk all that defeatist attitude and mentality shyt.
I don’t know anyone struggling with a 4.0. And that’s facts.
 

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Thankfully I grew up in a household that encouraged entrepreneurship and I was able to skip alot of problems such as employment opportunity or figuring out how to pay for college etc, but I could see how boys from successful families could end up in the struggle.

If I wasn't a natural entrepreneur at heart and didn't have the family business as a safety net... all I would have is a degree and the faith that some Corporation would hire me and pay me for what I have to offer and the skills that I acquired


At the end of the day it's still a white man's world.... it doesn't matter how much money your family has if you don't have any type of ownership or power.... youre still at the mercy of the dominant Society so it's very easy to see how many boys from successful families could fall into the struggle by believing the american dream


I got a cousin who graduated from college a few years ago and still sitting at home waiting on his day to come

Yeah.
Perhaps the realest thing Nas ever said:

"'Cause you can have all the chips, be poor or rich/
still, nobody want a nicca havin' SH*T..."
 

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This is an interesting study. This stood out to me -

The disparities that remain also can’t be explained by differences in cognitive ability, an argument made by people who cite racial gaps in test scores that appear for both black boys and girls. If such inherent differences existed by race, “you’ve got to explain to me why these putative ability differences aren’t handicapping women,” said David Grusky, a Stanford sociologist who has reviewed the research.

I'm around white guys with academic pedigrees that you would expect from generational money. Most of these guys have average intelligence, abilities, and talents, no different from their black equivalents.

What they do have are social safety nets that make up for what they lack in intelligence and abilities. These safety nets allow them to maintain their high class position and pass that class position down to their children at a higher rate than blacks, even if, all things are considered, they are avaerage in their abilities. And it is establishing safety nets for middle and upper middle class blacks that I tried to argue in this thread before I was called all types of elitist and c00ns:

Obama's Library will help Southside Chicago.....into gentrification.

Their safety nets include:
Trusts (the obvious)
Neighborhoods where their real estate is inaccessible to low income people or minorities
Social Networks
Legacy Admissions
Club Reciprocity

To not make this a long post, I want to point out specifically Legacy Admission and Club Reciprocity. What wealthy whites know that a lot of black folks don't is that one's class and indicator of income earning potential is generally determined by your network and your socialization within that network. Legacy admits and private club reciprocity ensures that upper class white kids maintain an upper class networks and an upper class socializatoin. And as much as these white/asian/indian kids are arguing against affirmative action at top academic institutions, black people need to start arguing against legacy admissions because it is giving these average and mediocre rich white kids a back door into these top academic institutions and therefore access to a very powerful network, when, all things considered, they wouldn't qualify to get in without that legacy clause.

Upper class whites have perfected this to the point where there are legacy clauses in place in almost every top school, private club, elite non-profit board, etc. With this clause, Upper class white kids are able to maintain and exclusive upper class network which is indicative of their earning potential.

The last point I wanted to highlight is club reciprocity which also at it's most base level deals with network. Private club membership is a staple in upper class life. It provides a social outlet for high income and upper class whites and is where "backroom" deals are being made. In some areas, wealthy blacks are shut out of some of these clubs. In most areas, they're not, and just may not be interested in joining. The point, another safety net these clubs offer, beside legacy admissions, is club reciprocity. Reciprocity is simply this; Say I belong to the Harvard Club of New York, whose membership makes up the most wealthy and powerful Americans. The Harvard Club offers it's members access to other exclusive and powerful clubs in virtually every other major city around the globe. If I decide to move from New York to London, as a member of the Harvard Club, I can have membership access to, for instance, the Reform Club, whose membership is primarily made up of the titled English aristocracy and other big whigs. Reciprocal membership allows an individual to maintain an upper class network no matter what city they visit or move. They don't have to start off at ground zero, like most black folks do, of any class.

Black folks need to establish our own safety nets that will catch us when our own abilities and talents or networks are lacking. Some would say, the general ease of access to urban enviroments and people and influence of hip hop is eroding middle and upper middle class networks, which of course, is an indicator of earning potential.
 
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