Could you imagine a jpn studio letting Americans buy the rights to Dragonball
them mfers played the long game to get to the point where Marvel got 5% off something they got a watermark on
Sony Kills Spider-Man Partnership Deal with Marvel Studios
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them mfers played the long game to get to the point where Marvel got 5% off something they got a watermark on
That's not saying much. I've said from the beginning that then new leaders of the Avengers should be Spider-Man and Black Panther, and now it looks like that'll never happen
Spiderman came so late at the party though. Plus hes still a teen that's not mature enough.
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Y'all not Gon sit here and pretend like spiderman wasn't shyt before MCU involvement
Tobey was the goat spiderman and sold those movie like a mfer WITHOUT Marvel Universe
Tobey was the goat spiderman and sold those movie like a mfer WITHOUT Marvel Universe
Why do yall keep acting like Disney is putting the money up to make these movies? Sony finances the movies and let's Disney make them.Disney literally produces the entire film, gives it to Sony and Sony then markets it and distributes it and profits off of it, with Disney receiving only as much as 5% of the gross of the film, if it passes certain milestones.
So, SONY makes 95% of the profits on a movie made for them
Disney had creative control of the character, didnt have to spend a dime to make the movies, gets %5 and full merchandizing rights and profits. They weren't exactly losing out in the deal.
The new deal is terrible for sony.
Now they can split the cost. What’s the problem?
Sony likes getting to write a check, DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING and get $900 million back. Investors kill for guaranteed returns like that. FOH. That’s what Sony is getting and like anyone you’d get tired of doing 99% of the work but giving up most the profits. Marvel don’t need Sony to pay for their movies. They’re fully capable of investing in Spider-Man movies This is like a music label wanting 90% of the revenue from an artist when the artist is putting in all the work to make themselves hot only for the label to act shady when the artist wants to restructure the deal to become a partner.
Why the fukk would Sony, the owner of the rights, agree to give up half of all profits from the films, and all of everything else? In what world is that a good business decision.Now they can split the cost. What’s the problem?
This is like a music label wanting 90% of the revenue from an artist when the artist is putting in all the work to make themselves hot only for the label to act shady when the artist wants to restructure the deal to become a partner.
Marvel got exactly what they wanted out of the deal, the ability to incorporate spiderman into the MCU and creative control over how the solo movies turn out.
That's not them doing more work, that's them having the right to use a character that they sold the rights to when they were broke.
Yeah, I'd rather see spiderman in marvel studio's hands. But I also understand that this is a business and marvel legally sold the rights to the character, Sony is right to walk away from an insulting deal for something they own.
Tenchi Ryu
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Why the fukk would Marvel make a character that they do not own the rights to, the center piece of their movie franchise knowing they’re not getting the profits and that at any point Sony can pull the plug and kill the next decade of film planning....something Marvel has been extremely tedious and meticulous about. In what world is THAT a good business decision? If you don’t own your shyt, you don’t really have a business. It’s hilarious you dudes are defending Sony’s wack behavior then turn around and go to the Booth and cry foul when a cac takes some dumb rapper’s publishing or has them signed to a 360. It’s the same shyt
Sony knows they can’t make the same quality of Spider-Man movies but they won’t sell because it’s a money maker. They’re holding the IP hostage and have been for years and you dweebs are defending that for whatever corny reason when the rest of the internet has been flaming Sony as they should but you dudes are always corny and always gotta be different And while you’re arguing for that garbage company, the executives flat out admitted they had no idea what they were doing with the character and their idea of smart decision making was making a movie about Aunt May 
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Word coming out they didn't even originally walk out, they offered a 30/70 deal and Disney wouldn't budge, and that's a completely fair ass deal. Nah disney wanted 50% of EVERYTHING, including the shyt they don't work on like Venom, Morbius, Kraven and Spideyverse flicks
The mouse once again being fukking greedy again.
Why the fukk would Marvel make a character that they do not own the rights to, the center piece of their movie franchise knowing they’re not getting the profits and that at any point Sony can pull the plug and kill the next decade of film planning....something Marvel has been extremely tedious about. In what world is THAT a good business decision? If you don’t own your shyt, you don’t have a business. It’s hilarious you dudes are defending Sony’s wack behavior then turn around and go to the Booth and cry foul when a cac takes some dumb rapper’s publishing or has them signed to a 360. It’s the same shyt
Sony didn't take shyt. Marvel sold it to them because they were broke. Sony owns the film rights to Spider-Man. Marvel can't use him without Sony's approval. Sony handles the financing, marketing and distribution of the movie and received 95% of the movie's gross. Marvel got creative control over the movies, got to insert their most popular character into their universe and received 5% of the movie's gross and ALL of the merchandising.
How is Sony holding Spider-Man hostage when they own it?
How are we comparing Marvel to some young rapper that signs a fukked up deal?
at it being wack behavior for not agreeing to split half of the movie's profits for Spider-Man and every Spider-Man related character and still giving up all of the merchandising for a character you own.That was before Venom made $850M+ and Spider-Verse got critical acclaim and an Oscar, no?And while you’re arguing for that garbage company, the executives flat out admitted they had no idea what they were doing with the character and their idea of smart decision making was making a movie about Aunt May
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Sony didn't take shyt. Marvel sold it to them because they were broke. Sony owns the film rights to Spider-Man. Marvel can't use it without Sony's approval. Sony handles the financing, marketing and distribution of the movie and received 95% of the movie's gross. Marvel got creative control over the movies, got to insert their most popular character into their universe and received 5% of the movie's gross and ALL of the merchandising.
How is Sony holding Spider-Man hostage when they own it?
How are we comparing Marvel to some young rapper that signs a fukked up deal?
That was before Venom made $850M+ and Spider-Verse got critical acclaim and an Oscar, no?
No different than selling publishing
They took advantage when Marvel was strapped for cash and refuse to sell it back now knowing they’re not planning to do right by the character. On the business side it’s exploitative but that’s business. On the fan side you have no reason to defend it either since they’re clearly the substandard brand.It would be different if Sony made smash hit Spider-Man movies but they made three straight duds in a row or did you forget?
It’s all cool though. What goes around comes around and one day Sony will be forced to sell
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Why the fukk would Marvel make a character that they do not own the rights to, the center piece of their movie franchise knowing they’re not getting the profits and that at any point Sony can pull the plug and kill the next decade of film planning....something Marvel has been extremely tedious and meticulous about. In what world is THAT a good business decision? If you don’t own your shyt, you don’t really have a business. It’s hilarious you dudes are defending Sony’s wack behavior then turn around and go to the Booth and cry foul when a cac takes some dumb rapper’s publishing or has them signed to a 360. It’s the same shyt
Because
1. The MCU got SM for 5 movies and the merchandise $$$ over that period.
2. Sony couldn't pull out at any time. All parties had to fulfill their obligations under the recently expired contract or get sued to hell.
3. Spider-man was supposed to headline but is actually pretty self-contained and easy to write out if they choose to. The connective tissue to the broader MCU was previously just Iron Man and is now just Happy. He was not center-stage in the same way as Cap and IM. Look how easy they made Hulk vanish for most of phase 3. How much do they need to do to get rid of Spidey? They just need to have some post Snap random inter-dimensional ripples whisk him away. Those same ripples could be the setup for the FF.
Even without a structural change who in the broader MCU would need to be re-written to account for SM's disappearance. Only Happy and he himself went missing for much of phase 3 anyway. Happy is part of IM and SM and as we are not going to get an IM movie anytime soon for now it doesn't matter in terms of the narrative. Peter didn't build a relationship with any of the other avengers and that was probably intentional.
Marvel's real problem is not whether they have spider-man but rather that this is hitting them at a vulnerable point where they just lost their two biggest draws (Cap and IM). CM isn't ready or indeed isn't that big of a fan-favorite and they didn't give T'Challa his due.
Who else does the MCU have to potentially fill that void? The Eternals (a'la the Guardians) possibly, if done properly, without using one of their paint-by-numbers directors. They would need someone with the vision and flair of Gunn. Other than that they could do a solo movie/small team-up with some of the more characterful X-men. Something like a Bishop (and Cable) movie set in the future (fighting sentinels/Nimrod) or someone like Kitty pride to fill that youthful positivity slot, set in school a'la Spidey. That wouldn't be too hard to do and certainly not as hard as getting in the whole team or the entire FF on deck. Other than that maybe do young prof-X in the past vs. Farouk set in Egypt.
If they did Kitty it would be a natural substitute for the MCU Spidey themes of youth, positivity, mentorship , learning powers, school, awkwardness, dating, joining a team etc. The villain? The White Queen of course. Without the Hellfire Club, just like in the comics.
Tom Holland unfollowed Sony on Twitter. He don’t give a shyt about what you stupid ass nikkas saying on the Coli. He trying to be in Avengers Part 3 and Part 4. He don’t give a fukk about no Venom movie
You know breh is thinking about all those missed checks
Even if he didnt get any role in hollywood anymore just his spiderman movies and the crossover movies would keep him eating good.
Sony said fukk that
