Sophmore Luka has a higher PER than Sophmore Bron

[Trojan 24]

Are you saying defense in 84 was better than 06...especially with how slow the pace was

Bulls pace 99
Cavs pace 89.8

Bron just took more shots huh. Guess I can use that argument for Bron for other years huh

If Bron didn't pound the rock so much pace would have been higher

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

If Bron didn't pound the rock so much pace would have been higher

I forgot to mention Brons Cavs 89.8 was 19th in the league. Jordan's 99.4 was 20 out of 23 teams.

Jordan really was a ball stopper back in those days

 

[Captain Crunch]

They just gonna go for the he gotta prove it in playoff talk like bron wasnt a disappointment without forming a super team

Let's not do this, Bron carried glorified Coli posters to the Finals in '07 and '15.

 

[Lakerman0834]

Let's not do this, Bron carried glorified Coli posters to the Finals in '07 and '15.

Today I learned that Kevin love and kyrie are glorified coli posters

 

[HabitualChiller]

Bron stans were making the argument for stats because you could visually see that he was better than Kobe, and the stats supported that.

Luka isn't even better than current Bron, let alone 2nd year Bron, and that's obvious to anyone that watches the game. Luka makes 2nd year LeBron look like prime Kawhi on the defensive end. Offensively, I'd give the edge to Lebron also.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Shannon Sharpe on Instagram: “30-point, 20-rebound triple-double. @undisputedonfs1”

Say ALL their names!!


Cowards

 

[murksiderock]

I don't know what kind of argument those people have to say Bron is better than MJ other than some kind of statistical metric.

If you watched both players their entire career in the biggest games and honestly would take Bron over MJ in the 4th quarter of an elimination game then you're fukking blind. Not saying Bron hasn't been clutch in some games later in his career, but he's nowhere near MJ who was consistently clutch his entire career. shyt, I would take Kobe over Bron in the 4th quarter in a game 7.

You dudes always take it too far. We've seen both Kobe and LeBron in G7's and it doesn't reflect anything positive on you if you take Kobe over Bron in that situation...

I'll say this, I didn't see Mike play besides the Wizards years. I trust the people I've known who did see his entire career, who say the difference between he and LeBron is marginal---->I trust those people more than the cats who are relatively only slightly older than me who grew up on Jordan Mystique...

The biggest issue with the Mike/LeBron thing is Jordan backers want people to believe that he's way ahead of Bron or Bron isn't worthy of comparison, when that isn't actually supported by anything that can be measured. Jordan's strongest argument to me is he never choked but thats the advantage he has over EVERYBODY (besides Russell), not just LeBron, so if thats the differentiator between he and Bron, that's the differentiator he has over anyone besides Bill Russell...

Nothing else says that there is more than a marginal gap between the two, not impact on his era, blackout mode, cumulative stats, consistency in postseason play, peak performance, prime performance, nothing. That's the issue, nothing supports him as being way ahead of LeBron so cats resort to shyt that cannot be measured, or unimportant shyt, to downplay LeBron's greatness...

Bron stans were making the argument for stats because you could visually see that he was better than Kobe, and the stats supported that.

Gospel and 100% fact...

 

[Hacksaw Jim Thuggin]

I think that’s the point. People uplift this era over previous eras to try to put Lebron over MJ, and other players from this era over players from MJ‘S era. That same mindset can be applied here cause in 2020, defenses and players are more athletic than they were in 2004/2005 or whenever Lebrun was in his second year

basically its a waste of time....

why cant people enjoy the game and let that be that?

but no....everything has to be he better than him....he better than that.....

was discussing this with a friend of mine just the other day....i started watching basketball in 1982....almost 40 years ago.....

i dont remember a time when it was all this back and forth about players like this....

 

[Copy Ninja]

You dudes always take it too far. We've seen both Kobe and LeBron in G7's and it doesn't reflect anything positive on you if you take Kobe over Bron in that situation...

I'll say this, I didn't see Mike play besides the Wizards years. I trust the people I've known who did see his entire career, who say the difference between he and LeBron is marginal---->I trust those people more than the cats who are relatively only slightly older than me who grew up on Jordan Mystique...

The biggest issue with the Mike/LeBron thing is Jordan backers want people to believe that he's way ahead of Bron or Bron isn't worthy of comparison, when that isn't actually supported by anything that can be measured. Jordan's strongest argument to me is he never choked but thats the advantage he has over EVERYBODY (besides Russell), not just LeBron, so if thats the differentiator between he and Bron, that's the differentiator he has over anyone besides Bill Russell...

Nothing else says that there is more than a marginal gap between the two, not impact on his era, blackout mode, cumulative stats, consistency in postseason play, peak performance, prime performance, nothing. That's the issue, nothing supports him as being way ahead of LeBron so cats resort to shyt that cannot be measured, or unimportant shyt, to downplay LeBron's greatness...



Gospel and 100% fact...

 

[Lakerman0834]

LeGTB for y’all

 

[Illuminatos]

Because teams played at the same pace in 05 as they do today, right?

 

[Copy Ninja]

LeGTB for y’all

Breh basically posted a reason why there's a huge difference between MJ and everybody else in the same post

 

[Sadbrownsfan]

This is why stats lie

2nd year lebron in the nba today is avg a 35pt triple double and 2nd team all defense

he was a garbage defender until at least year 3 or 4.

35 may be a bit much because the league is so obsessed with efficiency now but he’d score more on the same efficiency and have and even better floor game while being nowhere near the finished product Luka is with his physical gifts. You just can’t compare stats between ball dominant playmaking makes between these eras.

 

[Mad Good Dro]

I already bodied this dumb fukking argument in that other thread on this same topic. Instead of learning how to use advanced statistics correctly you decide to misuse them to dismiss them like trump supporters do covid numbers to protect your idol.

Per doesn't account for controlling the ball 40% of your time on the floor compared to 29%, Having 7 34% or higher 3 point teammates help space the floor compared to only 3 for bron. while still only able to muster 2 extra points and assists with worse efficiency.

 

[Cyber]

Better analytics, better raw numbers in far less minutes, even leading his team to the playoffs in the superior conference instead of missing playoffs in a weaker conference

But the game is so unrecognizable today you truly can't compare production for a ton of reasons, LeBron did benefit from 05 rule changes that helped perimeter players but it particularly benefited slashers (& players that hate physicality for Dirk/Nash/etc.) but the last couple of years it's only gotten easier to play on the perimeter, far easier to make an impact. Guys that thrive on heliocentric ball (which is def Doncic but also to a lesser extent LeBron) have never had it easier than today. Lebron was def not a good defender in 05 but at least he had a use on defense, Doncic rarely bothers to guard anyone

Truth be told LeBron fans started resorting less to stats when he stopped being the most productive player in the league but there was def a time when that was it, that was their main talking point. No one disputes his talent, but when he was the most productive player in the league early on (before 2012) he did have several deficiencies that made it easy to argue taking other guys. Giannis is in a very similar boat right now

21 years old MJ was prob better, he was a slasher at that stage so he would have thrived in 06 from a numbers standpoint. He wasn't the complete player he wounded up being but at that stage he would have been super productive in a similar situation