Sources: Phillies' Bryce Harper cussed out Rob Manfred in meeting

[VegetasHairline]

I gotta stop arguing with non baseball fans.

 

[mastermind]

Salary cap works in every other American professional league, but Baseball fans vehemently oppose the salary because of a weird desire to stick it to the (small market) owners.

Owners and players think about everyone but the common fan. Think about what’s best about the future of the game.

Small market owners are billionaires and small market teams are successful. They just don’t spend money which is what’s infuriating.

On top of that, everyone got new stadiums the last 20 years, mostly municipality funded and crazy local TV deals.

You boot lick the wealthy.

 

[mastermind]

How many owners have the Marlins had over the years, doing the same things? Pirates? Athletics?

If nothing will force those teams to spend money, maybe they don't need to be around. Better to lose a team than to be played with by some billionaire for tax breaks, new stadiums, etc and they just pocket all the money.

I agree with that too, but that’s the funny thing about these billionaires: They don’t want to lose out on the teams and taxpayer resources like the players don’t want to lose jobs.

Truthfully, these owners need to spend money and should.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Small market owners are billionaires and small market teams are successful. They just don’t spend money which is what’s infuriating.

On top of that, everyone got new stadiums the last 20 years, mostly municipality funded and crazy local TV deals.

You boot lick the wealthy.

The brewers and diamondbacks both got new stadiums in the last 30 years and are threatening to move if the cities don’t give them hundreds of millions in taxpayer money to renovate those parks. Atlanta left a stadium after just 20 years. Reinsdorf is trying to shake down Chicago for another publicly funded stadium. Loria cried poverty for years to get that building in Miami and claimed he’d be able to invest if he got a new stadium only to hold a fire sale 8-10 weeks into his first season in said building like most of us all knew he would. The nationals pulled a 1998 marlins where they gave away every good player from their World Series team and Bryce Harper was allowed to walk a year prior. There’s no justification for any of that. I think they’ve finished every year in last place since then. It’s not a huge market but nothing justifies something like that.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Uhhh yeah this is headed for a lockout.

 

[mastermind]

The brewers and diamondbacks both got new stadiums in the last 30 years and are threatening to move if the cities don’t give them hundreds of millions in taxpayer money to renovate those parks. Atlanta left a stadium after just 20 years. Reinsdorf is trying to shake down Chicago for another publicly funded stadium. Loria cried poverty for years to get that building in Miami and claimed he’d be able to invest if he got a new stadium only to hold a fire sale 8-10 weeks into his first season in said building like most of us all knew he would. The nationals pulled a 1998 marlins where they gave away every good player from their World Series team and Bryce Harper was allowed to walk a year prior. There’s no justification for any of that. I think they’ve finished every year in last place since then. It’s not a huge market but nothing justifies something like that.

DC is a huge and wealthy market

The Lerners never wanted to spend money and gave up after the 2020 season after Ted Lerner died. The kids put the team up for sale but then backed off cuz they couldn’t profit as much.

All of that is to say they can spend money but refuse.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

DC is a huge and wealthy market

The Lerners never wanted to spend money and gave up after the 2020 season after Ted Lerner died. The kids put the team up for sale but then backed off cuz they couldn’t profit as much.

All of that is to say they can spend money but refuse.

These guys had Bryce Harper, Juan Soto, Trea Turner, Max Scherzer, and Anthony Rendon on the team all at once and let them all get away. Reprehensible.

 

[mastermind]

These guys had Bryce Harper, Juan Soto, Trea Turner, Max Scherzer, and Anthony Rendon on the team all at once and let them all get away. Reprehensible.

It’s one of the grossest things I’ve ever seen and I don’t think the fanbase has forgiven them for it.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Yeah, as an outsider, who used to love baseball back in the day, it's just become too feast or famine.

It started in the '90s, when The Yankees just started buying titles, now it's The Dodgers, too.

The best sports (in America) are the ones where there's some sort of moderation in salaries for the players & some sort of compulsion for owners to spend money.

So, there needs to be some middle ground here.

It can't just be the Wild Wild West.

That's one of the things wrong with boxing (but that's a whole nother story)

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Yeah, as an outsider, who used to love baseball back in the day, it's just become too feast or famine.

It started in the '90s, when The Yankees just started buying titles, now it's The Dodgers, too.

The best sports (in America) are the ones where there's some sort of moderation in salaries for the players & some sort of compulsion for owners to spend money.

So, there needs to be some middle ground here.

It can't just be the Wild Wild West.

That's one of the things wrong with boxing (but that's a whole nother story)

Steinbrenner spent huge in the 70’s and 80’s too while his spending led to just 2 titles in the last 10 years he owned the team. It’s not a guarantee that it’ll lead anywhere. The 2005-08 teams didn’t win a single playoff series for example and missed the playoffs once.