Spin: If American Politics is Fukked, What Is the Most Important Factor to a Remedy?

[Supercoolmayo]

Yeah, you don't understand the political system them

Tell me what I don't understand?

 

[88m3]

Things have been worse than they currently are in the racial/culture front and it didn't devolve to these scenarios, why would it now?

In your lifetime?

I think there's a growing sense of anger on both sides and congress has failed us the last 18 years.

It was said in jest btw

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Tell me what I don't understand?

Other countries have more than two political parties but America can't have more than two because of uh . . .

 

[AnonymityX1000]

In your lifetime?

I think there's a growing sense of anger on both sides and congress has failed us the last 18 years.

It was said in jest btw

No not in my lifetime but yes a few times in American history.

 

[Regular_P]

The US should be broken up into different countries.

 

[88m3]

Other countries have more than two political parties but America can't have more than two because of uh . . .

If it can support them why don't they exist?

Bernie Math

 

[88m3]

No not in my lifetime but yes a few times in American history.

So your point is what again?

lol

It's not like the US always existed. I personally don't see it or want it broken up however.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

If it can support them why don't they exist?

Bernie Math

$, the financial barriers to entry are too high.
Bernie runs with Democrats so I don't know why you brought him up? lol

 

[AnonymityX1000]

So your point is what again?

lol

It's not like the US always existed. I personally don't see it or want it broken up however.

That genocide or Balkanization is next. Look back.

 

[mc_brew]

I think a four party system would work.
Right wing
Moderate right
Moderate left
Light wing party

Gives people more options

this... plus an end to the winner takes all system... i think a lot of people feel they are not represented in a winner takes all system... consider a state is 55% conservative but 45% liberal... if a conservative wins, they will implement strict conservative policies that will upset 45% of the population... if a liberal is able to thread the needle and win, he will implement strict liberal policies that will agitate 55% of the population... what if a state that is 55% conservative had policies that reflected it being 55% conservative instead of policies that reflected a 100% conservative view... what about if the 45% of liberals felt they were heard as well... most people would feel heard in such a system.... in today's system, it's either our way or the highway....

 

[Professor Emeritus]

none of the structural changes will matter if we have the same populace.

The #1 factor for change is for the people who care to be willing to sacrifice their own personal economic security to challenge the system.

Until they do that, the status quo will remain and nothing will change.

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

Serious civil unrest
Armed conflict here and there.

Americans ain’t built for living like Syria or Yugoslavia.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

none of the structural changes will matter if we have the same populace.

The #1 factor for change is for the people who care to be willing to sacrifice their own personal economic security to challenge the system.

Until they do that, the status quo will remain and nothing will change.

What if not voting was against the law and beared heavy fines like they do in Australia?

 

[acri1]

I see a lot of people talking 3rd parties, but that won't really work because of the spoiler effect.

If you have one far-left party (say, the Green Party), one moderate left-party (say, Dems), and one right wing party (say, Repubs), then the right wing party is always going to win (despite probably being the least favorite of the most voters) unless the two leftist parties merge into one. Same if there were two right wing parties.


Because of that we'll probably always devolve into two major parties. Only real way around it I can think of is IRV (where voters get to rank candidates in order of preference).

 

[88m3]

That genocide or Balkanization is next. Look back.

So expansionism then?

America has committed genocide and ethnic cleansing looking back...


I'm not convinced