Spin: Why don't countries accept Black Americans as Refugees?

[El_Mero_Mero]

Eres Latino, verdad? De cual pais, entonces?


The entire West Coast would be the most beneficial, in my opinion. We'd have access to different types of biomes/climates (desert to pine forest). Being on the coast means ports and much easier international trade. It's a very strategic and prime region/location. San Francisco is an overpriced dump and worthless by itself. It'd be beyond difficult to successfully fit all of Black America into such a small region and be prosperous.

You're right. Like I said, I just said it quickly without thinking about it. I know the African-American numbers are way too great to fit in such a small place. Then you're going to have other nationalities black immigrants that are going to want to go to the same place as well. Some people will say that they shouldn't be allowed to thanks to their distinct culture, yet others will say the "more the merrier". San Francisco would be much too small for all those people.

I'm not mexican, but I love all my Mexican brothers and sisters. For the sake of The Coli, let's just say that I'm half Puerto Rican/half Dominican. Complexion-wise, I look like Daddy Yankee. Fat AA girl from St.Louis at the hostel in Las Vegas was surprised when she found out I'm not part-Black. I guess the way I carried myself and my "swagger" had her thinking I might be.

If y'all get all of the West Coast, I still want to be able to visit. I'll check in.

 

[EndDomination]

I get it, your happy to be here. Why do you keep making this about economics ignoring the humanitarian crisis that is the American anti black apartheid state?

Generally refugee status doesn’t apply to all of the people living in a given state.

It applies to those who are actually in danger of succumbing to political repression or the hyper-exploited. You and Stringer Bell aren’t BPP members facing brutal state-sanctioned violence - I’m not sure what you do for a living but from your posts, I don’t think you’re anywhere near the Black neighborhoods in the U.S. that are actually near-unlivable. You’re not escaping any state violence, you’re reflecting on the experience of the most vulnerable of Black America.

I can say that my childhood living in an area of Cleveland that was red-lined in the 20th century, as a young Black man - is vastly different than my experience as a Black transplant lawyer living in a well-sized city, and that nothing about my life now, or my Black peers now, would qualify me for "refugee status." Regardless of the post-apartheid state here in the U.S.

 

[EndDomination]

Not reading 10 pages worth of comments but Malcolm X’s play was to get Ghana or another African nation to declare America having a humanitarian crisis state which would allow refugee status to anyone willing to accept black Americans. Ghana didn’t want to get pulled out of the UN at the tile and none of the other African nations wanted that kind of smoke, Malcolm was assassinated not long after and then no one else took up the issue.

Others definitely have, including the Black Panther Party's leadership; but we're no longer living under that legal regime - we're living in the after-effects of that legal regime and all of the conditions it created. But none of our conditions are refugee-status worthy.

 

[havoc]

Not taking anyone serious who probably has internet, cable, working water pipes and typing this nonsense on the coli.


Holla at me when you got a take a bath using water from outside or have to go to leave your house to access WiFi

This. Some of these dudes are bugging. I was in Freeport Bahamas when I was a teen visiting my distant cousins.I stayed in a village for two weeks with no electrical power, a/c unit, and running water. I had to take a shyt outside in the woods while getting bit by mosquitoes. The tropical heat was no joke in Bahamas. I sweat every night and getting my ass tore up by mosquitoes. That was the worse trip that I ever experienced. All Americans aint living well but most will never experienced the life of a third world country like did in Bahamas.

 

[SleezyBigSlim]

Majority of us live in war torn inner city neighborhoods full of violence and poverty or rural areas with third world living standards and are prosecuted and killed by this country.

Yet none of these countries accept is as refugees and give us all type of benefits. If China or another enemy of America was smart they would do it to embarrass America on the world stage.

You know why I been told yall white supremacy works to keep African descendants poor, capitalism is built off our backs

 

[UberEatsDriver]

This. Some of these dudes are bugging. I was in Freeport Bahamas when I was a teen visiting my distant cousins.I stayed in a village for two weeks with no electrical power, a/c unit, and running water. I had to take a shyt outside in the woods while getting bit by mosquitoes. The tropical heat was no joke in Bahamas. I sweat every night and getting my ass tore up by mosquitoes. That was the worse trip that I ever experienced. All Americans aint living well but most will never experienced the life of a third world country like did in Bahamas.

and that was in the Bahamas. It’s goes downhill from there once you hop on another island lol

 

[JQ Legend]

A lot of y’all obviously haven’t left the country or actually been to one of these other first world countries.

You can’t just cop a flight and move to Europe, most (if not all) countries won’t even let you enter if you don’t have a return flight.

You can only go to most European countries for 3 out of every 6 months unless you get a visa which you have to have a valid reason for. UK you can go for 6 months if I’m not mistaken.

Also, you’re not allowed to make any money while there. The language barrier in every country besides UK would prevent anyone from hiring you anyway and you cannot just start your own business.

 

[NoMoreWhiteWoman2020]

You were wilding, breh! They probably have you marked in all types of international database systems now as "*ALERT* Crazy Man. Proceed with caution."


I wouldn't have went about it that way, but I certainly respect it though.

Lmao breh you already know! I was pissed off, tired of grad school, tired of my marriage, had a broken elbow, I was like fukk it if my ancestors followed the North Star so can I!

Spoiler

yo so I was fresh out the ward already because of depression and ideations, so I take my wife and kids and sister in law to a water resort in Boston. We get into it and she leaves and takes the fam so I say fukk it, I got time, money, and vacation days, so I stayed out there and indulged in drugs and spent a lot of time on Lynn Beach. Then I take a bus to Buffalo to detox and get away from the toxicity of Massachusetts, and to see my family. I’m staying out in Lackawanna and burning good smoke, and get the idea to go do it. I took an Uber that cost 40 bucks.

I get there and I start pimp walking to the border, laughing at the border patrol and chunking up deuces, like I’ll see y’all never muhfukker! I light up a blunt when I get far enough away from them in the middle and I start playing Stevie wonder and praying to God and speaking to the ancestors about this place. I throw a lil weed in the water and smoke the blunt and walk across. I walk straight up to the front desk and say that I am a refugee from the United States of America.

I have crohns, so when I got to the ward I started complaining about stomach issues and when they sent me for a cat scan I dipped the fukk out, went the fukk back to Massachusetts and worked the system to where I didn’t lose my job. I wasn’t able to work in residential life anymore but they moved me to a teaching position and I kept my housing and my job until I chose to leave last year

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

So the man in your avi is a moron too huh?

you arent him idiot

 

[EBK String]

you arent him idiot

He had the same idea

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

Is there a Black American refugee crisis that anyone is aware of?

Where are the obvious scenes of desperation to escape this country by black folk?

Where are our pictures of us clinging on planes to leave the US behind?

Where are the pictures of our migrant caravan heading to Canada?

Maybe the world just sees different images that might counter the "each and every Black American is being held hostage" narrative.

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

Generally refugee status doesn’t apply to all of the people living in a given state.

It applies to those who are actually in danger of succumbing to political repression or the hyper-exploited. You and Stringer Bell aren’t BPP members facing brutal state-sanctioned violence - I’m not sure what you do for a living but from your posts, I don’t think you’re anywhere near the Black neighborhoods in the U.S. that are actually near-unlivable. You’re not escaping any state violence, you’re reflecting on the experience of the most vulnerable of Black America.

I can say that my childhood living in an area of Cleveland that was red-lined in the 20th century, as a young Black man - is vastly different than my experience as a Black transplant lawyer living in a well-sized city, and that nothing about my life now, or my Black peers now, would qualify me for "refugee status." Regardless of the post-apartheid state here in the U.S.

Others definitely have, including the Black Panther Party's leadership; but we're no longer living under that legal regime - we're living in the after-effects of that legal regime and all of the conditions it created. But none of our conditions are refugee-status worthy.

25% of Black Americans have felony convictions and are basically unemployable in any field they don't have a shyt-ton of connections in. They're also disqualified from the majority of business loans and career licensure, you can go to college but are legally barred from most licensed positions. Non-violent drug offenses are the majority of those felony convictions and said convictions are disproportionately black despite the fact that white people use drugs and sell drugs at a higher rate. What's more, white felons are still more likely to be called back in a job interview than black adults with no criminal records, so being a felon in and of itself isn't the biggest distinction. Black felons are basically the lowest caste in America and 25% of black American adults are in that category. No Black felon is becoming a lawyer or a doctor in this country. Their children could on paper, but you're literally beating highly unrealistic odds at that point that no other group in America aside from Native Americans is dealing with.

Ironically, this prison industrial complex social reality did not exist in the same scale at all during the time of the BPP. In a post-integration society, 25% of Black Americans are basically hung out to dry and are seldomly able to find economic support even through black businesses outside of barbershops and restaurants. It's hard to call America post-apartheid when a quarter of the Black population literally lives in full-blown Apartheid.

 

[EndDomination]

25% of Black Americans have felony convictions and are basically unemployable in any field they don't have a shyt-ton of connections in. They're also disqualified from the majority of business loans and career licensure, you can go to college but are legally barred from most licensed positions. Non-violent drug offenses are the majority of those felony convictions and said convictions are disproportionately black despite the fact that white people use drugs and sell drugs at a higher rate. What's more, white felons are still more likely to be called back in a job interview than black adults with no criminal records, so being a felon in and of itself isn't the biggest distinction. Black felons are basically the lowest caste in America and 25% of black American adults are in that category. No Black felon is becoming a lawyer or a doctor in this country. Their children could on paper, but you're literally beating highly unrealistic odds at that point that no other group in America aside from Native Americans is dealing with.

Ironically, this prison industrial complex social reality did not exist in the same scale at all during the time of the BPP. In a post-integration society, 25% of Black Americans are basically hung out to dry and are seldomly able to find economic support even through black businesses outside of barbershops and restaurants. It's hard to call America post-apartheid when a quarter of the Black population literally lives in full-blown Apartheid.

Hold on there, the seeds for mass-incarceration were planted immediately within state criminal and contractual legal structures - as a reaction to the 13th Amendment caveat for slavery in regard to prison sentences - and convict-leasing - the actual rise of mass-incarceration was always Black-focused, but exploded along all racial lines starting in the 60s.

I'm well aware of both the statistical and anecdotal experiences of the African-American population. But none of these would provide for refugee status, the specialized carceral system here in the U.S. is too broad and all-encompassing for that - in part because it actually involves some "bad actions" on the part of those under state supervision.

I completely understand what you're saying, but the "New Jim Crow" wouldn't qualify as a reason for refugee status.

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

Hold on there, the seeds for mass-incarceration were planted immediately within state criminal and contractual legal structures - as a reaction to the 13th Amendment caveat for slavery in regard to prison sentences - and convict-leasing - the actual rise of mass-incarceration was always Black-focused, but exploded along all racial lines starting in the 60s.

I'm well aware of both the statistical and anecdotal experiences of the African-American population. But none of these would provide for refugee status, the specialized carceral system here in the U.S. is too broad and all-encompassing for that - in part because it actually involves some "bad actions" on the part of those under state supervision.

I completely understand what you're saying, but the "New Jim Crow" wouldn't qualify as a reason for refugee status.

Yeah it might not qualify one as a refugee, the bigger point though is that it disqualifies you from being an American. You can't vote, you can't get a passport w/ a drug trafficking conviction, you don't qualify for the majority of licensed work, you're ineligible for the majority of business loans including SBA, can't legally own a gun, often limited by probation in your ability to leave your home-state in search of better opportunity, etc. etc. Millions of black folk in America are, for all intents and purposes, disqualified from the America that attracts people here in the first place, and the majority over economic "crimes". The realities of living it are far bleaker than most people imagine.

 

[Dushane Hill]

Lol I don't even complain about the ignorance I see on this board because it's pure entertainment. It's like in another thread not that long ago where someone was saying they can blend in with locals when they visit poorer countries by wearing sliders