*SPOILERS* The Great Gatsby is an ode to simpery

[Raph]

I think everyone has felt this self-destructive desire over a girl. When a guy is passed up by a dime of a girl there is always going to be a little bit of a spiral, a desire to go out there and implode into our own fukkery in the most poetic way. We want the best for our seed and she should be accepting it into her warm never regions. Who hasn't stood on the edge of that cliff?

If you want the true ode to simpery you have to check out 'the sorrows of young werther' by Goeth.

 

[YouMadd?]

@ you putting "spoilers" in the thread title...

 

[ML29]

This ain't no spoiler, I knew this reading the book in high school... I called Gatsby a whining punk in my book report and got a B+

 

[BlackDiBiase]

I loved the picturesque feel of romeo and juliet this film looks mighty colorful and the story seems interesting, looks like it has to be watched on the big screen.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

its already getting bad reviews brehs fukk

 

[yseJ]

The whole point of the book was that Gatsby could never truly assimilate into high society because he was low born, thus his need for Daisy, as she would validate him.

you got it half right
Gatsby was trying to assimilate into high society BECAUSE of Daisy, not the other way around.

he didnt care about making it into the high society or make connections or anything... the money and the failed attempt at assimilation was all means by which to get Daisy back.

Nick ( the narrator) is the one who cared into getting into 'high society' at first, but the whole story repulsed him to the point of saying fukk it and getting the fukk away from New York.

 

[re'up]

you got it half right
Gatsby was trying to assimilate into high society BECAUSE of Daisy, not the other way around.

he didnt care about making it into the high society or make connections or anything... the money and the failed attempt at assimilation was all means by which to get Daisy back.

Nick ( the narrator) is the one who cared into getting into 'high society' at first, but the whole story repulsed him to the point of saying fukk it and getting the fukk away from New York.

Yeah, that's the view I had, it's been awhile since I read the book, but Gatsby's intentions with Daisy were purely romantic, he was one of the worst kind, it was unrequited love, not his desire to be accepted by high society.

and I'll see this, but the bad reviews are likely accurate, look at the preview, shyt looks like all CGI sets, ridiculous and retarded looking, Baz Luhhman gave in to all his worst impulses.

 

[Malik]

you got it half right
Gatsby was trying to assimilate into high society BECAUSE of Daisy, not the other way around.

he didnt care about making it into the high society or make connections or anything... the money and the failed attempt at assimilation was all means by which to get Daisy back.

Nick ( the narrator) is the one who cared into getting into 'high society' at first, but the whole story repulsed him to the point of saying fukk it and getting the fukk away from New York.

Nah. Gatsby always wanted to be a part of high society. Always. He changed his name from James Gats to Jay Gatsby and was mentored by a rich dude years before meeting Daisy. It was just that when he met her, it reminded him just how far he was from that world and from that point on, she became his object of obsession and he used that as motivation to build his fortune.

Spoiler

Seventeen-year-old James Gatz, hailing from rural North Dakota where he was born to a poor farming family in 1890, despises the limitations of poverty so much he drops out of St. Olaf College in Minnesota only a few weeks into his first semester. He later explains to narrator Nick Carraway that he couldn't bear working as a janitor to support himself through college any longer. After meeting Dan Cody, a copper tyc00n who became his mentor and invited him to join his ten-year yacht trek from Girl Bay, he changes his name to Jay Gatsby. Over the next five years, Gatsby learns the ways of the wealthy until Cody's death. Cody's mistress then cheats Gatsby out of a $25,000 bequest from Cody.

In 1917, during his training for the infantry in World War I, 27-year-old Gatsby meets and falls in love with 18-year-old Daisy Fay, who is everything he is not: rich and from a patrician Western family.

But the fact is, he always wanted to become someone else. I doubt he even loved Daisy, he was just in love with the idea of Daisy. It was more about his own validation saying he could get a woman like her. That's why its not realistic to me. It's a million other Daisys out there. You're super rich and one of the most eligible bachelors in New York. He couldve found another.

 

[yseJ]

Yeah, that's the view I had, it's been awhile since I read the book, but Gatsby's intentions with Daisy were purely romantic, he was one of the worst kind, it was unrequited love, not his desire to be accepted by high society.

exactly. and the reason fitzgerald had to make gatsby naive, simple-minded, helpless in love kind of guy was to easily contrast him with high society's corruption...


using daisy to get into high society (whom he was even afraid to talk to before nick) would be incredibly stupid even for gatsby

 

[Roaden Polynice]

Really think they put this in the hands of the worst director possible.

I was reading an NY Times article about Gatsby and they had this quote from Leon Wieseltier talking about how every film adaptation of the novel is made as if it was made by Gatsby, and how the only appropriate way to film Gatsby is to make it the way Gatsby wouldn't have.

I agree. The trailer looks ridiculous. There are only 3 parties in the whole novel. I have a feeling Baz went way OTT.

 

[yseJ]

Nah. Gatsby always wanted to be a part of high society. Always. He changed his name from James Gats to Jay Gatsby and was mentored by a rich dude years before meeting Daisy. It was just that when he met her, it reminded him just how far he was from that world and from that point on, she became his object of obsession and he used that as motivation to build his fortune.

Spoiler

Seventeen-year-old James Gatz, hailing from rural North Dakota where he was born to a poor farming family in 1890, despises the limitations of poverty so much he drops out of St. Olaf College in Minnesota only a few weeks into his first semester. He later explains to narrator Nick Carraway that he couldn't bear working as a janitor to support himself through college any longer. After meeting Dan Cody, a copper tyc00n who became his mentor and invited him to join his ten-year yacht trek from Girl Bay, he changes his name to Jay Gatsby. Over the next five years, Gatsby learns the ways of the wealthy until Cody's death. Cody's mistress then cheats Gatsby out of a $25,000 bequest from Cody.

In 1917, during his training for the infantry in World War I, 27-year-old Gatsby meets and falls in love with 18-year-old Daisy Fay, who is everything he is not: rich and from a patrician Western family.

But the fact is, he always wanted to become someone else. I doubt he even loved Daisy, he was just in love with the idea of Daisy. It was more about his own validation saying he could get a woman like her. That's why its not realistic to me. It's a million other Daisys out there. He couldve found another.

he starts to like wealth before meeting daisy, but the decision to completely assimilate into high society and get her only comes with meeting her and falling in love with her. he was exposed to wealth before but obviously he didnt amass his fortune before prohibition (which was well after WWI)

I like your point about idea of daisy, though. The thing is, its hard to distinguish an idea and a person when theyre far away like Daisy. Although Nick figured out right away she was a piece of shyt

 

[yseJ]

Really think they put this in the hands of the worst director possible.

I was reading an NY Times article about Gatsby and they had this quote from Leon Wieseltier talking about how every film adaptation of the novel is made as if it was made by Gatsby, and how the only appropriate way to film Gatsby is to make it the way Gatsby wouldn't have.

I agree. The trailer looks ridiculous. There are only 3 parties in the whole novel. I have a feeling Baz went way OTT.

I had a convo about the movie with a girl whose opinions on books I highly respect (I think she teaches middle school kids English Lit nowadays) and she basically said baz makes all his movies like that so its all about decor and style over substance. she also felt it was gonna fail badly to represent the book

 

[Malik]

he starts to like wealth before meeting daisy, but the decision to completely assimilate into high society and get her only comes with meeting her and falling in love with her. he was exposed to wealth before but obviously he didnt amass his fortune before prohibition (which was well after WWI)

I like your point about idea of daisy, though. The thing is, its hard to distinguish an idea and a person when theyre far away like Daisy. Although Nick figured out right away she was a piece of shyt

Thats why I think he was just in love with the idea of Daisy. Because in Gatsby's mind, Daisy was meanwhile Nick, and the reader (since we see the story from his POV), both saw her for what she was almost immediately. Gatsby didnt even know her

 

[Roaden Polynice]

I had a convo about the movie with a girl whose opinions on books I highly respect (I think she teaches middle school kids English Lit nowadays) and she basically said baz makes all his movies like that so its all about decor and style over substance. she also felt it was gonna fail badly to represent the book

It will probably. The book in its writing is incredibly measured and terse in some parts with each word felt like it was delicately pored over for hours.

Not this gaudy, chintzy nightmare that Luhrmann is seemingly about to serve up set to a soundtrack that sounds as appealing as blowing your dad (gross, I know, sorry).

But I dunno, can't pass too many judgments yet, he could prove people wrong

 

[re'up]

He did know her, he was just blind to all her (glaring) imperfections, we all probably been there or close to it, but his love/affection/attraction was extreme. You make a good case, speaks to the books greatness, but I think Gatsby/Daisy was purely romantic, he wouldn't care if she was working in a bar, he would save her.