Sports Illustrated: Kobe Bryant is one of the most overrated players of all time

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Here's one thing I want to know. Why is kobe always the one that gets compared with lebron and mj.

There are atleast 7 other players in the concensus top 10 list that aren't talked about near as much.
Why can't we have mj vs kareem, magic vs lebron, shaq vs lebron, wilt vs mj etc comparison for a change. kobe stays on these fakkits mind 24/7.
 

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so you're trying to argue that Lebron closes out games better than Kobe?:mjgrin:
From 2002-2012, 10 straight years GM's in the NBA voted Kobe as the guy they wanted with the ball in their hands to close out games :mjgrin:
Are you trying to say you you know better than NBA GM's?:mjgrin:
So coli dudes are more qualified than NBA hall famers and NBA GM's to rank players now :whew:

Who cares what they think?? :dwillhuh: We have PROOF Lebron is more clutch :gucci:
 

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so you're trying to argue that Lebron closes out games better than Kobe?:mjgrin:
From 2002-2012, 10 straight years GM's in the NBA voted Kobe as the guy they wanted with the ball in their hands to close out games :mjgrin:
Are you trying to say you you know better than NBA GM's?:mjgrin:
So coli dudes are more qualified than NBA hall famers and NBA GM's to rank players now :whew:
Apparently yes. :russ:

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Apparently yes. :russ:
Who cares what they think?? :dwillhuh: We have PROOF Lebron is more clutch :gucci:
what proof? some shytty quality twitter pic :laff:

lebron isn't more clutch than kobe. yall coli dudes really living in an alternate reality :dead:

Lebron is 5-for-47 over last 10 seasons on game-tying or go-ahead FGs in last five seconds of fourth quarter & OT. That’s 10.6 percent. Bean is 13-for-48 (27.1 percent) on those same shots over the past 10 seasons, making the Black Mamba almost three times more clutch than lebron

www.foxsports.com/nba/story/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers-kobe-bryant-clutch-shooting-awful-airball-5-for-47-022916
 
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Kobe was to intellectual for you hoodrats. Kobe is one the greatest minds of our generation. Listen to the man speak. Willing to say what others can not comprehend, and not caring about some carefully crafted fake PR personality like Lec00n
Kobe is just mentally on another level to the every nba player.... just look at these tweets back from 2012. After this he got blackballed by the league and media



Kobe Bryant Taught Himself How to Play Piano in an Effort to Stop His Wife Vanessa From Divorcing Him




Kobe stans 101: Talk about bullshyt like his game face aka mamba mentality and how shytty he treats teammates and other random off the court shyt when facts are presented. :russ:
 

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what proof? some shytty quality twitter pic :laff:

lebron isn't more clutch than kobe. yall coli dudes really living in an alternate reality :dead:



www.foxsports.com/nba/story/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers-kobe-bryant-clutch-shooting-awful-airball-5-for-47-022916




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LeBron May Be The Most Clutch Playoff Shooter Of His Generation


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Relative to the league-wide average, James generated 4.8 more total points than expected on his go-ahead shots, which translates to about one entire playoff win beyond what an average shooter would have contributed from the same field-goal distances. And those numbers become magnified when you consider that James’s average go-ahead shot came in a playoff game with championship implications 34 percent greater than the typical postseason contest. After we weight by the leverage of his specific game-winning shot attempts, James generated the equivalent3 of 8.5 more points than expected, or roughly two playoff wins above average, with his clutch end-of-game shooting alone.

(By contrast, Bryant generated 3.2 fewer points than expected and did it in games that were about 64 percent more important than the average playoff game, compounding the damage of his 1-for-10 performance.)

LeBron May Be The Most Clutch Playoff Shooter Of His Generation





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Kobe and the Clutch Playoff Performance Myth (2011)



In my 25 plus years of following the NBA, one of the more fascinating phenomena to me has been the plight of those that I refer to as “Kobe Nation”. Now, I’m not referring to Kobe “fans” - Many of those are a dime a dozen, stuffing the All-Star ballot box, displaying their #24 jerseys during road games, and riding the Kobe-train as long as the Lakers remain on top. No, I’m talking about Kobe Nation – those who have repeatedly extolled the virtues of Kobe Bryant while partaking on a daily quest to defend his basketball legacy, game performances, and polarizing personality. They are his apostles, and their fervor rivals that of even the most religious of zealots. They respond to criticism, deserved or undeserved, with an inverse defiance that embodies the personality of their hero; the more you critique them, the more combative they will become, the less they will listen, and the more likely you will be called a “hater”. For every action, there is a reaction.

Earlier in the season, ESPN’s Henry Abbott questioned Bryant’s status as the most “clutch” player in the NBA, and as you can imagine, Kobe Nation responded with a fury. Specifically, Abbott defended his stance by citing the Game Winning/Game Tying Shot metric traditionally used by coaches and GMs when scouting opposing teams – shot attempts in the final 24 seconds of a game during which a player’s team is either tied or trails by three or fewer points. And during Kobe’s 15-year career (regular season and playoffs), the results showed that he made only 36 game winning/game tying shots while missing a stellar 79, or 36/115.

So why then is Kobe Bryant considered to be the unanimous first choice among GMs, coaches, and players for taking the game winning/game tying shot for all the marbles? Abbott cites the media’s propensity to exhaust the highlight reel, limitations of human memory, and our attraction to flashiness rather than substance as the primary reasons for why fans, coaches, players, and GMs are misguided
]. In sum, people usually remember Bryant’s makes, which are undoubtedly spectacular in nature, but not his misses.

So where do I stand?

First a plea to Kobe Nation…. Allow me to go on record by stating that Kobe Bryant is one of the 10 greatest players to ever play the game. By the time he retires, he will likely be top 5. He is a phenomenal all-around player in every aspect of the game, and possesses a unique combination of talent and skill, that in my opinion, can only be rivaled by Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, LeBron James and Hakeem Olaujuwon. He also has a basketball IQ that is simply off the charts – a unique feel for the game that despite his numerous injuries, has allowed him to remain physically effective in a manner that is traditionally reserved for 20-somethings. Other than Michael Jordan, I have yet to see a player who displays the same level of ferocity, stubbornness, and will to win that Kobe Bryant does.

However, Henry Abbott is right. Kobe Bryant IS overrated in the clutch, and even more so when it comes to game winning/game tying shots. That’s right Kobe Nation, you heard me. In which universe does missing 79 out of 115 game winning/game tying shots constitute clutchness? Clutchness to me has always been defined basically and inherently. You either succeed and come through for your team, when your team needs you the most, or you don’t. And in 115 instances, during the time in which Bryant’s teams have needed him the most, he has succeeded only 36 times while failing 79 times. That’s a 31% success rate folks. It’s that simple.

We are not talking about a complex John Hollinger formula or algorithm. We are talking about a fairly straight forward metric – less than 24 seconds, time winding down, ball in Kobe’s hands, chance to win or tie, miss or make. All other variables are irrelevant:

- “Kobe is the most fearless”

- “Kobe wants the ball in his hands at the end of the game”

- “Kobe has the ability to make the most spectacular shots”

None of this matters. The only thing that matters is the result.

So that got me thinking – if the 36/115 stat includes both playoffs and regular season, how has Bryant performed in game winning and game tying shot situations during the playoffs alone? After all, playoff games are the ones that count the most, right? The pinnacle of pressure? The most important of time of the year when everything is at stake? Is there really a more clutch opportunity than a game winning/game tying shot in a playoff game?

The answer: Bryant is 7/25 or 28% -slightly worse during the playoffs than the regular season.


Keep in mind that the game winning/game tying shot is only ONE metric of clutch, and in a future article we will post additional data reviewing Kobe’s performance during the last 2 minutes, last 5 minutes, and the entire 4Q, which further substantiates my point. However, for now, we will focus on the game winning/game tying shot metric, which in my mind, represents the MOST pressure packed situations in a game.

Below is a breakdown of game winning/game tying shot attempt throughout Kobe Bryant’s 15 year career:

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and he's not a big time player in the playoff in do or die situations


Kobe Bryant Elimination Game Averages:

22.3 PPG,

5.6 RPG,

3.7 APG,

1.2 SPG,

.6 BPG,

3.0 TOPG,

41.4 FG%,

27.5 3P%,

77.9 FT%


Kobe Bryant G7 Stats:

21.4 PPG, 7.1 RPG, 5.1 APG, .9 SPG, 1.6 BPG, 2.0 TOPG, 39.5 FG%, 32.4 3P%, 70.2 FT%

-W/out Game 5’s
22.2 PPG, 8.0 RPG, 5.0 APG, 1.0 SPG, 1.3 BPG, 2.2 TOPG, 38.9 FG%, 35.8 3P%, 67.3 FT%


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this dude typing a college thesis and shyt :mjlol: aint nobody got time to read all that

keep it simple i'll just leave this here. undeniable facts. not some forced weirdo analytic shyt. believe lebron is more clutch than the black mamba brehs :dead:

Lebron is 5-for-47 over last 10 seasons on game-tying or go-ahead FGs in last five seconds of fourth quarter & OT. That’s 10.6 percent. Bean is 13-for-48 (27.1 percent) on those same shots over the past 10 seasons, making the Black Mamba almost three times more clutch than lebron
www.foxsports.com/nba/story/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers-kobe-bryant-clutch-shooting-awful-airball-5-for-47-022916
 

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It took barely half an hour for this clown to start backtracking and moving them goalposts; even he doesn't believe the trash comin outta his own mouth :pachaha:

Kobe's one of the top 10 to ever play the sport of basketball; to call him "overrated" would be like referring to MJ as a baseball player first, just nonsensical idiocy that has no basis in reality.

Y'all that agree with this nonsense need to hurry and find a less stupid hill to die on, cause this is one of the WOAT ones I can think of :childplease:
 

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LeBron May Be The Most Clutch Playoff Shooter Of His Generation




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and he's not a big time player in the playoff in do or die situations


Kobe Bryant Elimination Game Averages:

22.3 PPG,

5.6 RPG,

3.7 APG,

1.2 SPG,

.6 BPG,

3.0 TOPG,

41.4 FG%,

27.5 3P%,

77.9 FT%


Kobe Bryant G7 Stats:

21.4 PPG, 7.1 RPG, 5.1 APG, .9 SPG, 1.6 BPG, 2.0 TOPG, 39.5 FG%, 32.4 3P%, 70.2 FT%

-W/out Game 5’s
22.2 PPG, 8.0 RPG, 5.0 APG, 1.0 SPG, 1.3 BPG, 2.2 TOPG, 38.9 FG%, 35.8 3P%, 67.3 FT%


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this cool and all but people actually wacthed him play. He has the clutch tag for a reason and none of your stats will change that. end of the story
 
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