St Louis has highest murder rate for 2018.(Again)

[dj-method-x]

Those burgers made my arteries quiver with excitement

You went to Riverview? When did you graduate? :bpsalute:

Nah my fam moved deeper into NoCo after awhile. We moved to Black Jack. I graduated from Central in '02.

 

[Black Panther]

Nah my fam moved deeper into NoCo after awhile. We moved to Black Jack. I graduated from Central in '02.

I stayed in Black Jack for a while, in Whispering Lake.

Used to get my hair cut at Stimages.

 

[KodeBlue]

Let’s not use the term inner city since that’s causing confusion. When I say inner city, I’m basically trying to say “THE HOOD”. My entire point is that the city limits of St. Louis where the murder rate is computed is an area that is made up of what is considered the HOOD. Not only just the hood but probably the most dangerous hoods in all America. But St. Louis really is more than just the city limits proper. You really don’t get a complete picture since the crime stats of the county aren’t there to balance out the crime stats of the city.

Without knowing this you may think, well damn St. Louis is just completely fukked. No, our hoods are fukked just like every other city. The murder rate is inflated because our murder rate only takes into account murders/population in what is considered our hood. Other cities have the benefit of their suburbs or other nicer areas balancing out these numbers. Since our suburbs and nicer areas aren’t technically in St Louis City, but rather St Louis County, we don’t get this benefit.

Again this is hard to explain. You really should look into the context of St. Louis County and City and why and how these came to be and the embarrassing disparity between both (has a lot to do with white flight).

So there are no nice areas within the city limits of St. Louis?

 

[Black Steph Curry]

Let’s not use the term inner city since that’s causing confusion. When I say inner city, I’m basically trying to say “THE HOOD”. My entire point is that the city limits of St. Louis where the murder rate is computed is an area that is made up of what is considered the HOOD. Not only just the hood but probably the most dangerous hoods in all America. But St. Louis really is more than just the city limits proper. You really don’t get a complete picture since the crime stats of the county aren’t there to balance out the crime stats of the city.

Without knowing this you may think, well damn St. Louis is just completely fukked. No, our hoods are fukked just like every other city. The murder rate is inflated because our murder rate only takes into account murders/population in what is considered our hood. Other cities have the benefit of their suburbs or other nicer areas balancing out these numbers. Since our suburbs and nicer areas aren’t technically in St Louis City, but rather St Louis County, we don’t get this benefit.

Again this is hard to explain. You really should look into the context of St. Louis County and City and why and how these came to be and the embarrassing disparity between both (has a lot to do with white flight).

Tht case could be made for damn near every city though, ion know why you're making it seem as if tha distinction between city and county is something unique to st Louis.

Would bmore's crime rate be as bad if they included tha surrounding Maryland suburbs?

Would birmingham's crime rate be as bad if they included tha surrounding suburbs over tha mountain like hoover/vestavia hills?

I can only think of one city in America that is consolidated with its surrounding suburbs to be considered one city-proper, that city being Louisville. And this merger happened recently (2003). Tht city has a relatively low murder rate but if tha data was collected according to tha pre merger city limits, just like most every other city on tha list in op, then tht number would be much higher.

If you want tha suburbs to be counted in regarding tha crime data then you gotta look up tha crime rates for metropolitan areas, not just city limits.

 

[Sunalmighty]

St. Louis: 60.27 per 100K
* Baltimore: 50.36 per 100K
* Detroit: 37.88 per 100K
* New Orleans: 36.87 per 100K
* Cleveland: 33.72 per 100K
* Kansas City: 27.61 per 100K
* Memphis: 27.6 per 100K
* Pittsburgh: 26.12 per 100K
* Newark: 23.5 per 100K
* Washington DC: 23.34 per 100K
* Philadelphia: 22.2 per 100K
* Chicago: 20.98 per 100K
* Indianapolis: 18.42 per 100K
* Atlanta: 17.68 per 100K
* Oakland: 17.4 per 100K
* Milwaukee: 16.96 per 100K
* Tulsa: 16.18 per 100K
* Jacksonville: 13.79 per 100K
* Albuquerque: 13.79 per 100K
* Louisville: 13.68 per 100K
* Nashville: 12.58 per 100K
* Dallas: 12.08 per 100K
* Houston: 12.06 per 100K
* Columbus: 11.6 per 100K
* Miami: 10.58 per 100K
* Las Vegas Metro: 9.89 per 100K
* Denver: 9.37 per 100K
* Minneapolis: 8.29 per 100K
* Boston: 8.17 per 100K
* Sacramento: 7.37 per 100K
* Phoenix: 6.89 per 100K
* San Antonio: 6.75 per 100K
* Charlotte: 6.52 per 100K
* Los Angeles: 6.43 per 100K
* San Francisco: 5.2 per 100K
* Portland: 4.94 per 100K
* Tucson: 4.85 per 100K
* Omaha: 4.5 per 100K
* Seattle: 4.28 per 100K
* Fort Worth: 4.23 per 100K
* Honolulu: 3.71 per 100K
* Raleigh: 3.66 per 100K
* Austin: 3.47 per 100K
* NYC: 3.33 per 100K
* San Diego: 2.68 per 100K
* San Jose: 2.61 per 100K


Raw numbers
New York City finish 2018 with 287 homicides compare to 292 homicides in 2017
Los Angeles finish year with 257
Chicago 570 compare to 648 in 2017 and 762 in 2016, 2015 it was 480 murders


Philly 351
Houston finish year 2018 with 279 compare to 269 in 2017
Dallas 162
Washington DC 162
Boston 56
Miami 49 and Miami-Dade County 78(such as Miami Gardens and other cities include totals)
San Francisco 46
Indianapolis 158
Oakland, CA 74
San Jose, CA 27
New Orleans finish 2018 with 145 homicides in the city in 2018 marked the lowest total since 116 in 1971. It also marked the second drop in a row: from 174 in 2016 to 157 in 2017 and 145 last year.

Baltimore 308
Detroit 275
Memphis 180
Nashville Metro 84
Saint Louis 186
Atlanta 86
Milwaukee 99 down from 118 in 2017, 142 in 2016 and 145 in 2015.
Denver, CO 66 highest since 2005
Clark County, Nevada 203 and North Las Vegas 34
Las Vegas Metro 161
Portland, Oregon 32
Seattle, Washington 31
Louisville, KY Metro 82
Minneapolis 35
Cleveland 130
Charlotte, NC finish 2018 with 56 down from 85 from 2017
Omaha, Nebraska 21
Salt Lake City 10
Fort Worth, Texas 37(Dallas area)
Honolulu, Hawaii 13
Jacksonville, FL 123
Kansas City, MO 134 down from 151 from 2017 and Kansas City, KS finish year with 33, Independence 11
Cincinnati 57 ?

Baton Rouge 89
Pittsburgh, PA 79 ?
Birmingham 107 down from 111 in 2017
Columbus, Ohio 102
San Antonio 115
Albuquerque 77
Tulsa, OK 65
Little Rock, AR 41
Phoenix 112
Raleigh 17
Sacramento 37
San Diego 38
Austin, TX 33
Scottsdale, AZ 8
Tucson, AZ 26

I find NYC having that many homicides is amazing. they must got a Robocop or 2 out in that mafukka

 

[KodeBlue]

Tht case could be made for damn near every city though, ion know why you're making it seem as if tha distinction between city and county is something unique to st Louis.

Would bmore's crime rate be as bad if they included tha surrounding Maryland suburbs?

Would birmingham's crime rate be as bad if they included tha surrounding suburbs over tha mountain like hoover/vestavia hills?

I can only think of one city in America that is consolidated with its surrounding suburbs to be considered one city-proper, that city being Louisville. And this merger happened recently (2003). Tht city has a relatively low murder rate but if tha data was collected according to tha pre merger city limits, just like most every other city on tha list in op, then tht number would be much higher.

If you want tha suburbs to be counted in regarding tha crime data then you gotta look up tha crime rates for metropolitan areas, not just city limits.

Louisville
Nashville
Augusta, GA
Jacksonville
Indianapolis

 

[dj-method-x]

I stayed in Black Jack for a while, in Whispering Lake.

Used to get my hair cut at Stimages.

lol I had hella homies that lived in Whispering Lakes. Stimages used to be crazy. Only barbershop I ever seen that stayed open ALL fukkING NIGHT. Brehs were in there gettin it.

 

[dj-method-x]

Tht case could be made for damn near every city though, ion know why you're making it seem as if tha distinction between city and county is something unique to st Louis.

Would bmore's crime rate be as bad if they included tha surrounding Maryland suburbs?

Would birmingham's crime rate be as bad if they included tha surrounding suburbs over tha mountain like hoover/vestavia hills?

I can only think of one city in America that is consolidated with its surrounding suburbs to be considered one city-proper, that city being Louisville. And this merger happened recently (2003). Tht city has a relatively low murder rate but if tha data was collected according to tha pre merger city limits, just like most every other city on tha list in op, then tht number would be much higher.

If you want tha suburbs to be counted in regarding tha crime data then you gotta look up tha crime rates for metropolitan areas, not just city limits.

Is the City of B-More a complete hood? Does it include a lot of good parts? What about Birmingham? In St. Louis City, the city is LITERALLY JUST THE HOOD AND DOWNTOWN (WHICH ALSO CAN BE BAD LOL).

I know a lot of cities have suburbs that are not included in the city proper, but in STL this is MAGNIFIED TIMES A MILLION. The City and County is split between the ghetto and non ghetto (basically it was split between blacks and whites back in the day) even though there is a little overlap now. Again, you have to be from STL to understand what I mean.

 

[Black Steph Curry]

Louisville
Nashville
Augusta, GA
Jacksonville
Indianapolis

Thts still only 5 out of tha hundreds of us cities tht don't do that so my point still stands.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

This is true, although "inner city" would be a weird term to apply to how St. Louis is structured. The "inner" -most part of the city is downtown. The North and west sides are the most dangerous, with the North side more dangerous overall.

However, there are dangerous parts of what are considered to be "suburbs". North County St. Louis can be pretty rough. I'm from Ferguson (which isn't that bad, despite looking like a war zone during the Mike Brown protests) and I went to high school in Bellefontaine Neighbors. That and nearby Moline Acres/Castle Point (where I lived at in HS) is a hard area to grow up in.

What I wasn’t saying tho was that he made it seem like a line was drawn around the worst areas of these cities and they said this was the city. The middle part of Baltimore from the northern border all the way to downtown has some of the best neighborhoods in the city

 

[KodeBlue]

Thts still only 5 out of tha hundreds of us cities tht don't do that so my point still stands.

I wasn't making an argument against your point. Just letting you know that there were more cities that fall under the City /County Consolidated umdrella. Actually Philly and NYC fall under it too . Both cities are contiguous with the counties they they reside in. No part of Philadelphia County is not the city of Philly, and no parts of NYC are not the counties of New York, Kings, Queens, Bronx and Richmond.

 

[dj-method-x]

What I wasn’t saying tho was that he made it seem like a line was drawn around the worst areas of these cities and they said this was the city. The middle part of Baltimore from the northern border all the way to downtown has some of the best neighborhoods in the city

See this is the difference between STL and other cities. In STL there are no "best neighborhoods" of the city lol. All the non ghetto parts are basically in St. Louis County and surrounding suburbs. If you want to compare STL to Baltimore, it would be more of an apples to apples comparison if you compare bmore's hoods to our hoods and compute the rate from that. Just computing the murder rate of St. Louis and Baltimore as a whole skews the results due to how St. Louis is split up.

With that said though, I've been to B More hoods, and it's one of the only cities I've been where I feel legitimately not safe. It's reminds me a lot of STL in that way where it looks as bad as it is.

 

[Black Steph Curry]

Is the City of B-More a complete hood? Does it include a lot of good parts? What about Birmingham? In St. Louis City, the city is LITERALLY JUST THE HOOD AND DOWNTOWN (WHICH ALSO CAN BE BAD LOL).

I know a lot of cities have suburbs that are not included in the city proper, but in STL this is MAGNIFIED TIMES A MILLION. The City and County is split between the ghetto and non ghetto (basically it was split between blacks and whites back in the day) even though there is a little overlap now. Again, you have to be from STL to understand what I mean.

Well hell if all of st Louis is a hood then it is what it is. You act like somebody sits around and draws city lines after tha fact to lump in all tha hood areas within tha limits and keep tha good areas out. If a neighborhood outside of st louis goes bad is an emergency town hall meeting held to include tht neighborhood as part of st louis? What about if a neighborhood in st louis turns good? Is it all of a sudden not part of st Louis anymore?

Like i said b4 very few cities have tha luxury of including their outer suburbs to dilute tha crime rate. If for some reason tha neighborhoods in a city go bad due white flight, rising unemployment, or what have you then they just gotta live with it for better or worse hell.

Birmingham is pretty much downtown and hood just like you describe st Louis, but it wasn't always like that and tha city limits have pretty much remained tha same for decades. No sophisticated plot from politicians to gerrymander all tha bad areas into tha city limits.

 

[ISO]

See this is the difference between STL and other cities. In STL there are no "best neighborhoods" of the city lol. All the non ghetto parts are basically in St. Louis County and surrounding suburbs. If you want to compare STL to Baltimore, it would be more of an apples to apples comparison if you compare bmore's hoods to our hoods and compute the rate from that. Just computing the murder rate of St. Louis and Baltimore as a whole skews the results due to how St. Louis is split up.

With that said though, I've been to B More hoods, and it's one of the only cities I've been where I feel legitimately not safe. It's reminds me a lot of STL in that way where it looks as bad as it is.

So you saying St. Louis basically got the downtown area with the arc and then the rest is nothing but hoods

 

[dj-method-x]

Well hell if all of st Louis is a hood then it is what it is. You act like somebody sits around and draws city lines after tha fact to lump in all tha hood areas within tha limits and keep tha good areas out. If a neighborhood outside of st louis goes bad is an emergency town hall meeting held to include tht neighborhood as part of st louis? What about if a neighborhood in st louis turns good? Is it all of a sudden not part of st Louis anymore?

Well that is exactly what happened in a nutshell. After the slaves were freed and black people started moving to STL, St. Louis County annexed itself from the City when white people left the city in droves for the suburbs. So what you were left with was literally THE HOOD, and EVERYTHING ELSE was the county. They basically said "hey you nikkas can have the city" lol, and the system of white supremacy basically did it's thing with the city which is still evident today.