Stan Lee talking shyt to Todd McFarlane and Rob Liefeld

[AnonymityX1000]

Simple difference of views. Stan was a writer, so he had those things on his mind. In his mind, you come up with a character and a story, then you worry about making them look cool later.

Liefeld and MacFarlane are artists, so they work going the opposite direction. Give the character a cool look and name, and then figure out the rest later.

Also, while the character is popular now, I hesitate to automatically call a character like Deadpool iconic when he's really just Liefeld really wanting to draw Deathstroke despite not working at DC. Not to mention that it didn't really take off until years later when writers decided to make the character a parody of itself and overly serious comics at the time.

Deadoool was pretty popular when he was a serious merc as well. Maybe making him a parody made him iconic but people were checking for him heavy ever since he came out.

 

[BuddahMAC]

Deadoool was pretty popular when he was a serious merc as well. Maybe making him a parody made him iconic but people were checking for him heavy ever since he came out.

They liked him b/c he looked cool. Nicieza & Kelly made him an actually compelling character.

 

[nightwing2016]

As a kid I thought he was dope but Rob deserved to get shyt on:

Deadpool and Spawn iconic?

They ain't shyt compared to Stan's characters.

yes, spawn and Deadpool are iconic. Spawn is up here outselling Stan’s characters currently. Stan’s characters how many of “Stan’s characters” exist without Jack Kirby who did all the heavy lifting or Steve dikto who basically created Spider-Man?
Jack Kirby’s wife in an interview asked who did Stan create after Jack lift? Then went on to point out how Jack went to DC and created the new gods without Stan.

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

They liked him b/c he looked cool. Nicieza & Kelly made him an actually compelling character.

And then Daniel Way ruined him but his interpretation is the most popular

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

Low key, what we just saw in this video is how artists collaborate and "I created ____ " arguments start.

So, if that was the initial brainstorming session, who created OVERKILL? liefield or McFarlane? McFarlane signed it...liefield was instrumental...

I'm sure that happened with Lee, ditko, and Kirby regularly.

 

[Toe Jay Simpson]

I understand where he’s coming from, but the business had to evolve and keep up with the people’s tastes. It’s far more balanced now but like dude said, this is what the kids want to see and it was. Nothing coming out of the 80s into the 90s survived without going in that direction.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

yes, spawn and Deadpool are iconic. Spawn is up here outselling Stan’s characters currently. Stan’s characters how many of “Stan’s characters” exist without Jack Kirby who did all the heavy lifting or Steve dikto who basically created Spider-Man?
Jack Kirby’s wife in an interview asked who did Stan create after Jack lift? Then went on to point out how Jack went to DC and created the new gods without Stan.

Stan greenlit everything tho so he is partially responsible for it all regardless who was the main contributor to creating it. Ditko and Kirby had ideas I'm sure Stan turned down as well.

 

[Supa]

Lmfao @ stan shytting on Liefields terrible hands and feet....this video is incredible

Tiny hands and feet were a Liefeld staple. Can't forget the pouches.

He had no regard for anatomy or proportions

yes, spawn and Deadpool are iconic. Spawn is up here outselling Stan’s characters currently. Stan’s characters how many of “Stan’s characters” exist without Jack Kirby who did all the heavy lifting or Steve dikto who basically created Spider-Man?
Jack Kirby’s wife in an interview asked who did Stan create after Jack lift? Then went on to point out how Jack went to DC and created the new gods without Stan.

Spiderman and Batman are iconic. Spawn isn't a household name and Deadpool damn sure wasn't under Liefeld.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Tiny hands and feet were a Liefeld staple.

He had no regard for anatomy or proportions

Spiderman and Batman are iconic. Spawn isn't a household name and Deadpool damn sure wasn't under Liefeld.

Like how are these motherfukkers even supposed to move in real life with their shyt so bloated

 

[Supa]

Like how are these motherfukkers even supposed to move in real life with their shyt so bloated

Didn't matter because he sucked at drawing movement.

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

I understand where he’s coming from, but the business had to evolve and keep up with the people’s tastes. It’s far more balanced now but like dude said, this is what the kids want to see and it was. Nothing coming out of the 80s into the 90s survived without going in that direction.

I think both could've and needed to survive, and it did. I mean, they handed the REIGNS to Liefield and Heroes Reborn fukkin flopped. And McFarlane untethered on Spiderman led to the clone saga. They're super creative but go way too deep in what they like.

Idk if you know 90s wrestling but

Rob Liefield = Vince Russo
Todd McFarlane = Paul Heyman
Stan Lee = Vince McMahon

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Low key, what we just saw in this video is how artists collaborate and "I created ____ " arguments start.

So, if that was the initial brainstorming session, who created OVERKILL? liefield or McFarlane? McFarlane signed it...liefield was instrumental...

I'm sure that happened with Lee, ditko, and Kirby regularly.

Facts.. and if Stan wasn't critiquing and actually gave ideas instead of asking questions, he'd also have a good claim to being the reason the character blew up

"Without me he'd be some dorky suit guy with..............."


Happens in every field of work. Somebody always want to be the man

 

[CROM]

 

[Won Won]

Liefeld the WOAT

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The 40 Worst Rob Liefeld Drawings

 

[nightwing2016]

Stan greenlit everything tho so he is partially responsible for it all regardless who was the main contributor to creating it. Ditko and Kirby had ideas I'm sure Stan turned down as well.

Green lighting something isn’t the same as creating it. Berry Gordy green lit Marvin Gaye’s What’s going on? Album does he get credit for creating it. Stan Lee literally told Jack Kirby he wanted the fantastic four to meet god and he returned the next day with galactus and silver surfer. All Stan did was name them. I don’t consider that no where near creating a character.