State handouts for all? Europe set to pilot universal basic incomes

[plushcarpet]

i just gave you a quote BY HITLER saying "WE'RE SOCIALISTS" and you come back with "well actually they weren't socialists"

 

[BaggerofTea]

Say what? The soviet union never embraced state capitalism which is probably why it doesn't exist anymore..china moved from Maos socialism towards capitalism in the late 80s after decades of starvation and millions of deaths ...this is documented fact

"from all by ability to all by need" leads to mass starvation and this is proven by the millions of bodies decomposing in Ukraine and China

State Capitalism for Russia | The Socialist Party of Great Britain

Among the first to describe the Russian economy under the Bolshevik government as "state capitalism", was Lenin himself in 1918. By this term he meant state control of capitalist-owned industries. He had been impressed by the system of industrial control which the German government had built up during the war. If the Kaiser and the Prussian Junkers could control capitalist industry for their purposes why, thought Lenin, could not the Bolshevik Party control capitalist industry for the benefit of the workers and poor peasants of Russia?

After seizing power in November 1917 the Bolsheviks did not go on to nationalise all industry; they merely exercised state control over it. In some instances this brought them into conflict with workers who under the syndicalist slogan of "workers' control" had taken over the factories in which they worked. A number of Bolsheviks denounced as "state capitalism" the policy of subjecting these factories to state control and to speed-up, one-man management and factory discipline.

There are conflicting debates on when China began the capitalist turn however most agree it definitively started in the 70s. I would argue early 60s amid the cultural revolution.

 

[BaggerofTea]

i just gave you a quote BY HITLER saying "WE'RE SOCIALISTS" and you come back with "well actually they weren't socialists"

And I guess a human being saying something makes it true irregardless of the factual contradictions? Yall believe anything

 

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State Capitalism for Russia | The Socialist Party of Great Britain



There are conflicting debates on when China began the capitalist turn however most agree it definitively started in the 70s. I would argue early 60s amid the cultural revolution.

First thing...what kind of Source is that...a socialist publication? really bruh? Is there any other corroboration for that quote??
this is the only thing i found

Lenin wrote:
State capitalism would be a step forward as compared with the present state of affairs in our Soviet Republic. If in approximately six months’ time state capitalism became established in our Republic, this would be a great success and a sure guarantee that within a year socialism will have gained a permanently firm hold and will have become invincible in this country.
Source: The Tax in Kind - this writing also has much more on state capitalism.

Lenin wrote:
The state capitalism, which is one of the principal aspects of the New Economic Policy, is, under Soviet power, a form of capitalism that is deliberately permitted and restricted by the working class. Our state capitalism differs essentially from the state capitalism in countries that have bourgeois governments in that the state with us is represented not by the bourgeoisie, but by the proletariat, who has succeeded in winning the full confidence of the peasantry.
Unfortunately, the introduction of state capitalism with us is not proceeding as quickly as we would like it. For example, so far we have not had a single important concession, and without foreign capital to help develop our economy, the latter’s quick rehabilitation is inconceivable.

So it would seem Lenin wanted the USSR to head towards where china is NOW but he died before he could get it done then Stalin Fukked everything up ...no suprise there Lenin was a very intelligent man


second did you read your own link

Among the first to describe the Russian economy under the Bolshevik government as "state capitalism", was Lenin himself in 1918. By this term he meant state control of capitalist-owned industries. He had been impressed by the system of industrial control which the German government had built up during the war. If the Kaiser and the Prussian Junkers could control capitalist industry for their purposes why, thought Lenin, could not the Bolshevik Party control capitalist industry for the benefit of the workers and poor peasants of Russia?

Not for profit

I got news for you bruh NO PROFIT=NOT CAPITALISM



Now lets look at China...they Nationalized the Oil company Sinopec

Stock price: SNP (NYSE)$69.63-0.31 (-0.44%) <---current stock price .........Meaning its run for PROFIT that is State capitalism

 

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And I guess a human being saying something makes it true irregardless of the factual contradictions? Yall believe anything

What contradiction?Hitler meant every word

 

[BaggerofTea]

First thing...what kind of Source is that...a socialist publication? really bruh? Is there any other corroboration for that quote??
this is the only thing i found
So it would seem Lenin wanted the USSR to head towards where china is NOW but he died before he could get it done then Stalin Fukked everything up ...no suprise there Lenin was a very intelligent man


second did you read your own link


Not for profit

I got news for you bruh NO PROFIT=NOT CAPITALISM



Now lets look at China...they Nationalized the Oil company Sinopec

Stock price: SNP (NYSE)$69.63-0.31 (-0.44%) <---current stock price .........Meaning its run for PROFIT that is State capitalism

It's actually well known Lenin was a state capitalist look it up

 

[BaggerofTea]

What contradiction?Hitler meant every word

Hitler hated the Jews???? you don't say??????

 

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It's actually well known Lenin was a state capitalist look it up

And if you read my post he lamented that he never got to put it in practice before he died then ....Stalin came and took it even further left

the USSR( UNITED SOCIALIST SOVIET REPUBLIC) was firmly socialist until it disintegrated

its right there in the name

 

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Hitler hated the Jews???? you don't say??????

he hated capitalism too....sound familliar?

 

[JahFocus CS]

 

[BaggerofTea]

And if you read my post he lamented that he never got to put it in practice before he died then ....Stalin came and took it even further left

the USSR( UNITED SOCIALIST SOVIET REPUBLIC) was firmly socialist until it disintegrated

its right there in the name

Again, a complete fabrication. Stalinism is authoritarian capitalism.

 

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dbl

 

[OsO]

Instead of giving TRILLIONS to Wall street we could have given everyone in the United States a basic income and then some. I think that would have been a better use of funds.

 

[JahFocus CS]

You're a fukking idiot considering workers build literally every man-made thing in the world. Labor does that, not capital (which is nothing but dead labor anyway but is controlled by an exploiter class). So get the fukk outta here with your stupid memes. You're like the new Napoleon.