Statistically....Kobe As A 2nd Option >> LeBron As A First Option

[ManBearPig]

Who was the third option on that laker team? Some random ass role player. Third option on the heat? All star big man chris bosh

Shaq is better than Wade and Bosh combined anyway.

 

[Malik]

The Player efficiency rating (PER) is John Hollinger's all-in-one basketball rating, which attempts to boil down all of a player's contributions into one number. Using a detailed formula, Hollinger developed a system that rates every player's statistical performance.

The Player Efficiency Rating (PER) is a per-minute rating developed by ESPN.com columnist John Hollinger. In John's words, "The PER sums up all a player's positive accomplishments, subtracts the negative accomplishments, and returns a per-minute rating of a player's performance." It appears from his books that John's database only goes back to the 1988-89 season. I decided to expand on John's work and calculate PER for all players since minutes played were first recorded (1951-52).

A statistical measure used in the NBA to measure the effectiveness of a player by taking into consideration all statistics kept by the NBA, and weights the player's production by minutes played per game, and number of team possessions per game.

In plain english. It measures a players performance, contributions, accomplishments, effectiveness, etc. In other words, who's better...

Lets agree to disagree bruh. Unlike a lot of dudes on here, you a cool cat.

 

[verbaltelekinesis]

Measures a players contributions, accomplishments, effectiveness, etc. In other words, who's better...

Lets agree to disagree bruh. Unlike a lot of dudes on here, you a cool cat.

PER is one of the worst things to happen to basketball. It's getting seasoned coaches with actual playing experience fired and numbers guys who have never touched a basketball GM jobs.

And I'm a numbers based guy, but what ever happened to watching players and evaluating talent based on what your eyes see?

 

[ManBearPig]

basically, this is the mindset of a Kobe fan

-Kobe is God
-Shaq, Gasol, Jordan, and LeBron are/were all overrated
-Pippen and Bosh are extremly underated
-Now that Kobe is old and done, they just bring up all of his accomplishment that were like 10 years ago.

 

[MikeBrownsJob]

@Malta just ethered @Malik

 

[10:31]

@Malta shut the thread down quick

 

[Roman Brady]

Bosh has a strong chance at HOF. Bron, Wade & Ray Allen are HOF bound. Bron plays with a superteam. It's nothing to dismiss.

based on what? @ your arguement hinging on conjecture. And what has ray allen being a HOFer for his resume got to do with how he plays now in 2013?

 

[Roman Brady]

Bosh, wade and Allen are all going to the HOF.

wade n allen are sure bets but I don't know what your going off to say bosh will.Until he leaves miami he'll be seen as a guy who has rings, plummeting stats and no speciality

 

[Sunalmighty]

wade n allen will I don't know what your going off to say bosh will

He might get in just off of the Miami hype

 

[Dwight Howard]

point stands...


Kobe's numbers as '2nd option' in 01 >>>> Bron's as a 1st option

 

[Dwight Howard]

PER doesn't say anyone is better, it even tells you what it is, player efficiency rating.

Chris Paul's PER will drop the older he gets, and will more than likely finish lower than Magics. Kareem played for 20 seasons, Pettit played 11, Kareem & Hakeem saw a drop off later in their careers and their PERs during their prime years are higher than Pettit. Also, Pettit was a beast for his era, I don't know what you were trying to prove there, he was pre-modern era and is one of the few guys to say they beat a Russell Celtics team.

It's numbers with no judgement on who is the best, you don't like it simply because it paints Kobe as a player that isn't as efficient as the other greats.

Efficiency isnt the end-be-all in basketball, the point is to win at all cost, and there have been plenty of inefficient players that have won. A player with 5 rings and low PER >>>>>>>> player with 1 ring and a high PER, 10 times outta 10. PER isnt significant enough to say Bron's playoff run this year is nicer statistically than Kobe's in 01. Hard stats dont lie. Especially considering how shytty Bron shot for most of the series.

 

[Roman Brady]

He might get in just off of the Miami hype

 

[Roman Brady]

point stands...


Kobe's numbers as '2nd option' in 01 >>>> Bron's as a 1st option

but as the 1st option defensives are designed to stop u + he had to share the ball with 2 all stars and his numbers were still comparable to kobe who was a 2nd option with a score first mentality


This thread is silly

 

[TheDream]

Kobe will be ahead of Bron when it's all said and done.

 

[I.V.]

This thread is retarded, and ignores the fact that Kobe benefited from Shaq's double and triple teams.

He picked apart rotations, switches, and isos where men couldn't help off at all.