"Steph Curry Has More Offensive Impact Than Any Player In NBA History...Even Jordan"-Steve Kerr

[Marc Spector]

Lol, I don't like Brady but, the only QB who can be called more "gifted" than him is Rodgers. Bad analogy.

Brady was a 6th round pick and was not known for the long ball until 2006. Carried by his defenses and kickers until 2006.

Drew Brees, Rodgers, and Prime Manning are one man offenses with better all around skillset. Brady excels at his durability, fast reads and release. A good skill set, but if you were drafting tomorrow, thats not the skill set you can build any system around.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Firstly IM AGREEING with you about how important Steph is to the Dubs Offense. But his ceiling got raised because of the system he's in.

My definition on defining a players offensive ceiling is, if you took them out of the current team/system they are in, what is their offensive potency? How much of their offensive output is credited on the personnel surrounding them? If the Warriors didnt run their system the way they did, would Steph be going off the way he does? I personally don't think so.

Steph doesn't have the chance to go off in the Warriors system, that's what a lot of dudes don't seem to understand. The system actually limits him from putting up huge production, because the system is built on equal opportunity and player involvement. Kerr has mentioned this, that basically he could run PnR with Curry all the time and he'd up monstrous box score numbers. Just imagine Curry in Harden's position last season; imagine the surface numbers he'd put up. Curry sacrifices his numbers for the betterment of the team -

"And what's amazing about Steph, what continues to add to all that is his personal character, his unselfishness, the way he approaches the game. His usage rate is maybe 30th in the league. He could easily be like, ‘Hey, why don't I have the ball? I'm the best offensive player in the history of the game?' We could run high pick-and-roll every time.

“But he understands the power of the group. He understands that Shaun and Andre and Zaza and Draymond and David (West) are all great passers and, as a group, we are a better team when we are sharing. I've said it many times. He reminds me so much of Tim Duncan in that he has this incredible package of skill, arrogance and humility. It's a weird combination and the result is this powerful force that drives our entire organization.”- Kerr

Put Curry on a team full of defensive role players, a few decent playmakers and an ultra-green light - he'd be able to put up 34-36 ppg and 10 assists. We're never going to see what box score numbers Curry could truly put up because of the system he's in.

For example, you try to ridicule me citing Chris Paul. nikka, CP3 in his prime was a one-man offense. shyt even just the last Clippers playoff series you saw flashes of that. We've seen Chris Paul on 2 different teams carry the bulk of the scoring load and get them to the playoffs. So how is he NOT a offensive powerhouse?.

You couldn't be more off base with this if you tried. CP3 isn't even close to the scorer that Curry is, not even close.

Ill give you this to a degree. I forgot that Stephs slashing ability is underrated. But the Warriors were 3 ball heavy even when jackson was coach. They were 8th in 3 ball usage Jacksons last year. 7th in 2015 (team shot 39% 1st place in league) and 2nd (team shot 33% 2nd play in league) in their 73 win year. With numbers like that, its disingenuous to say that this doesn't benefit Stephs inside game.

They were ranked at the top for 3-pt percentage/attempts because of Curry's attempts and percentage, not because of the team's. Curry didn't benefit from the team's 3-pt shooting, because they're below average without him (sans Klay). Take out Curry's attempts/percentage and the Warriors 3-pt production would drop right off a cliff.

How did you not think this through properly?

Outside of Klay, look at how average the team is from behind the arc. Just to put it into perspective - Curry took 11.2 three-pointers per game and completed them at 42.5%, the Bucks as a TEAM took 15.6 three-pointers per game and only completed them at 34.5% that season.

 

[Marc Spector]

Steph doesn't have the chance to go off in the Warriors system, that's what a lot of dudes don't seem to understand. The system actually limits him from putting up huge production, because the system is built on equal opportunity and player involvement. Kerr has mentioned this, that basically he could run PnR with Curry all the time and he'd up monstrous box score numbers. Just imagine Curry in Harden's position last season; imagine the surface numbers he'd put up. Curry sacrifices his numbers for the betterment of the team -

Put Curry on a team full of defensive role players, a few decent playmakers and an ultra-green light - he'd be able to put up 34-36 ppg and 10 assists. We're never going to see what box score numbers Curry could truly put up because of the system he's in.

You couldn't be more off base with this if you tried. CP3 isn't even close to the scorer that Curry is, not even close.



They were ranked at the top for 3-pt percentage/attempts because of Curry's attempts and percentage, not because of the team's. Curry didn't benefit from the team's 3-pt shooting, because they're below average without him (sans Klay). Take out Curry's attempts/percentage and the Warriors 3-pt production would drop right off a cliff.

How did you not think this through properly?

Outside of Klay, look at how average the team is from behind the arc. Just to put it into perspective - Curry took 11.2 three-pointers per game and completed them at 42.5%, the Bucks as a TEAM took 15.6 three-pointers per game and only completed them at 34.5% that season.

we'll agree to disagree but youre seriously underrating Chris Paul. He's not the shooter Curry is but his ability to open the floor up is unparalleled. Chris Paul put up MVP caliber numbers on a team that was nowhere near as talented as the 2016 Warriors.

 

[Cadillac]

we'll agree to disagree but youre seriously underrating Chris Paul. He's not the shooter Curry is but his ability to open the floor up is unparalleled. Chris Paul put up MVP caliber numbers on a team that was nowhere near as talented as the 2016 Warriors.

theres nothing to "agree to disagree" on

your wrong its simple as that

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

Steph is killing so far this season.

 

[dj-method-x]

Brady was a 6th round pick and was not known for the long ball until 2006. Carried by his defenses and kickers until 2006.

Drew Brees, Rodgers, and Prime Manning are one man offenses with better all around skillset. Brady excels at his durability, fast reads and release. A good skill set, but if you were drafting tomorrow, thats not the skill set you can build any system around.

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

 

[Broke Wave]

I can agree with Kerr here. Jordan’s playoff performances put him above Curry offensively and as a player he was arguably the best defensive wing ever. But offensively their impacts are very similar in terms of gravity and magnitude. Best player in the NBA IMO.

 

[Regular_P]

I can agree with Kerr here. Jordan’s playoff performances put him above Curry offensively and as a player he was arguably the best defensive wing ever. But offensively their impacts are very similar in terms of gravity and magnitude. Best player in the NBA IMO.

I'm not sure anyone has warped a defense like Curry. Prime Shaq and MJ bent defenses, but not like this. Not old enough to have watched Wilt or Kareem.

This guy bends the defense 35 feet out and when he gets hot, opposing teams willingly leave other teammates wide open, even under the basket.

His hot streaks are like Kobe's. Obviously Steph's the GOAT shooter, but Kobe would get hot hitting ridiculously difficult shots and it would fukk everything up. They're spirit breaking shots. Steph hits so many of those.

 

[Broke Wave]

I'm not sure anyone has warped a defense like Curry. Prime Shaq and MJ bent defenses, but not like this. Not old enough to have watched Wilt or Kareem.

This guy bends the defense 35 feet out and when he gets hot, opposing teams willingly leave other teammates wide open, even under the basket.

His hot streaks are like Kobe's. Obviously Steph's the GOAT shooter, but Kobe would get hot hitting ridiculously difficult shots and it would fukk everything up. They're spirit breaking shots. Steph hits so many of those.

Total facts. But I think in all honesty, he hasn’t done anything super special in the playoffs and I’m not a hater. He’s my favourite player by far but his best ever series was against the Cavs in the Finals. He’s great in the offs but really lacks the signature beast mode games of a Kobe or MJ or Bron or even Shaq.

 

[Regular_P]

Total facts. But I think in all honesty, he hasn’t done anything super special in the playoffs and I’m not a hater. He’s my favourite player by far but his best ever series was against the Cavs in the Finals. He’s great in the offs but really lacks the signature beast mode games of a Kobe or MJ or Bron or even Shaq.

Somewhat true, though I do think his 2016 WCF is wildly underrated because of Klay's game six. He rained hellfire on the Spurs last year and he killed the Pels and Rockets in their first title run.

 

[Juggalo Fred]

Delly gave him problems in the finals and yet were supposed to believe this?

 

[sidenikkagawd]

45 in 30 min

 

[mastermind]

Somewhat true, though I do think his 2016 WCF is wildly underrated because of Klay's game six. He rained hellfire on the Spurs last year and he killed the Pels and Rockets in their first title run.

Curry’s game 7 against OKC is largely forgotten because they lost the finals but he was incredible that second half.

 

[fifth column]

Delly gave him problems in the finals and yet were supposed to believe this?

Until he didn't