Stephen A Smith calls KAEPERNICK a Malcom X wannabe

[Rekkapryde]

I listen to Ballot or the Bullet like a damn rap song, I can prolly recite that shyt word for word if you play it. But yeah, Malcolm was talking about strategic voting, he was arguing that able people should run for office and Black people should swing their votes to those people from the community that have the best interests of the community at heart. Makes total sense. I understand why Kaep doesn't want to vote or is indifferent but just like you said, you can't hide behind Malcolm when you say shyt like that because he understood how powerful your right to vote really is.

It's kind of a sad assessment of Kaep's whole schtick overall. While it's great to see him making himself aware and reaching out in the community, his is typical of our generation at large and in all the intelligence he has displayed he's still finding difficulty in noticing the very things that the GOP and other forces have done in order to make the vote seem cheap to the younger generation while at the same time eroding the various provisions in place thanks to the Voting Rights Act.

To use a Yoda quote, "A Jedi yet, you are not.", that's Kaep when it comes to this conscious shyt. Voting down ballot is important as fukk, which is why rethugs got everything they want because they get their constituents out to vote while Dems just shoot for the big elections. I swear I'm gonna avoid any ESPN/FS1 discussion on this topic, I don't want to listen to those idiots discuss complex people like Malcolm or Fidel.

I def agree with this. I don't agree with him not voting because it is one of the biggest ways in which we CAN fight injustice is this country. Even if you didn't like either candidate, local officials and elections are even MORE critical and important. You can at least vote that.

But it's still well within his rights not to vote if he isn't feeling any candidates, I can't knock that as well.

 

[Maschine_Man]

I def agree with this. I don't agree with him not voting because it is one of the biggest ways in which we CAN fight injustice is this country. Even if you didn't like either candidate, local officials and elections are even MORE critical and important. You can at least vote that.

But it's still well within his rights not to vote if he isn't feeling any candidates, I can't knock that as well.

I agree, I have no problems with ppl not wanting to vote.

but, Just don't be a part time activist asking for change then.

 

[JahBuhLun]

I listen to Ballot or the Bullet like a damn rap song, I can prolly recite that shyt word for word if you play it. But yeah, Malcolm was talking about strategic voting, he was arguing that able people should run for office and Black people should swing their votes to those people from the community that have the best interests of the community at heart. Makes total sense. I understand why Kaep doesn't want to vote or is indifferent but just like you said, you can't hide behind Malcolm when you say shyt like that because he understood how powerful your right to vote really is.

It's kind of a sad assessment of Kaep's whole schtick overall. While it's great to see him making himself aware and reaching out in the community, his is typical of our generation at large and in all the intelligence he has displayed he's still finding difficulty in noticing the very things that the GOP and other forces have done in order to make the vote seem cheap to the younger generation while at the same time eroding the various provisions in place thanks to the Voting Rights Act.

To use a Yoda quote, "A Jedi yet, you are not.", that's Kaep when it comes to this conscious shyt. Voting down ballot is important as fukk, which is why rethugs got everything they want because they get their constituents out to vote while Dems just shoot for the big elections. I swear I'm gonna avoid any ESPN/FS1 discussion on this topic, I don't want to listen to those idiots discuss complex people like Malcolm or Fidel.

I see the Black vote having the same effect that as integration. Good in theory, ineffective in practice for Blacks as a whole. It only serves a few Blacks and the Dem. vote is a guarantee, but if we were to create a separate Black political force, that is not tied in to the Dem or GOP, then we will have a true stake in the process. Because the GOP wouldn't say "fukk the Black vote, we wont get no more than 5% anyway." Then the Dems wouldn't say "we're getting the Black anyway so all we have to do is make empty promises." Our vote has been ignored and taken for granted.

And here you have an athlete who has sparked a nationwide debate in some aspects about the validity of voting, keep in mind he didn't tell people not to vote, he just said he didn't vote. I vote in a couple of primaries earlier this year, but I knew I wasn't going to vote in the general election as soon has Hillary Clinton became the nominee.
But like I said before, not voting wasn't Kaep original protest or stance, the keeps asking him questions apart from the issue of police brutality against Blacks in order to ask him about t-shirts that he's wearing. Kaep has time to grow in his position and stances. People want him to be perfect for everybody and every situation. You can't be that, you wont be that. When you take a racially charged stance against something, you know that there is going to be deflection and backlash.

"Aw man, Kaep is stupid because he's kneeling during the national anthem" What about the reason he's kneeling though........
"Kaep is stupid because he didn't vote" What about the reason he's kneeling though.......
"Kaep is stupid because he has a shirt with Castro on it" What about the reason he's kneeling though..........

Fact is, Kaep stuck his neck out and put his career and money in jeopardy and he's still balling and sticking true to his message, and that upsets a lot of people's circle of comfort.

 

[MerCrimmuh]

I mean. This is a simple thing to respond to.

I am a wanna be Malcolm X too.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

I see the Black vote having the same effect that as integration. Good in theory, ineffective in practice for Blacks as a whole. It only serves a few Blacks and the Dem. vote is a guarantee, but if we were to create a separate Black political force, that is not tied in to the Dem or GOP, then we will have a true stake in the process. Because the GOP wouldn't say "fukk the Black vote, we wont get no more than 5% anyway." Then the Dems wouldn't say "we're getting the Black anyway so all we have to do is make empty promises." Our vote has been ignored and taken for granted.

That's exactly what Malcolm's argument was in the Ballot or the Bullet speech.

To him, it was apparent that the Black vote clearly had the power to sway some influence because politicians would turn up every four years, make false promises, and leave with those votes in pocket and no intentions of actually doing the work that they voted for. The difference in who became President and who didn't was often decided by the Black vote. His whole point was to first get everyone eligible to vote registered as independents, and then create a political machine (Black Nationalism) rooted within the Black community which truly works to address the political issues that Black people have. It was never a vote for Dems, vote for rethugs, type of deal because he viewed both parties as equally poisonous to progress in the Black community.

And here you have an athlete who has sparked a nationwide debate in some aspects about the validity of voting, keep in mind he didn't tell people not to vote, he just said he didn't vote. I vote in a couple of primaries earlier this year, but I knew I wasn't going to vote in the general election as soon has Hillary Clinton became the nominee.
But like I said before, not voting wasn't Kaep original protest or stance, the keeps asking him questions apart from the issue of police brutality against Blacks in order to ask him about t-shirts that he's wearing. Kaep has time to grow in his position and stances. People want him to be perfect for everybody and every situation. You can't be that, you wont be that. When you take a racially charged stance against something, you know that there is going to be deflection and backlash.

"Aw man, Kaep is stupid because he's kneeling during the national anthem" What about the reason he's kneeling though........
"Kaep is stupid because he didn't vote" What about the reason he's kneeling though.......
"Kaep is stupid because he has a shirt with Castro on it" What about the reason he's kneeling though..........

Fact is, Kaep stuck his neck out and put his career and money in jeopardy and he's still balling and sticking true to his message, and that upsets a lot of people's circle of comfort.

No one is faulting Kaep for stepping up to the plate and speaking on things. But this is the danger that comes with it. The media lives for this type of shyt and if you not on point then your message gets lost in a bunch of dumb shyt.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

I mean. This is a simple thing to respond to.

I am a wanna be Malcolm X too.

Shiiiiit, I saw the movie when I was 5 years old. "I am Malcolm X!"

 

[gluvnast]

No breh. The biggest problem with this comparison between Kaep and Malcolm is that Brother Malcom advocated voting. Peep an excerpt from his famous "The Bullet or the Ballot" speech from 1964:



Brother Malcom wouldn't have supported Kaep's position of not voting especially when there were issues on his ballot that Kaep could've voted for that would've had an impact on people of colors lives in his community and was not about a politician.

There's no legit reason Kaep had for not voting and even tho SAS is an idiot, he was right to call him out for not voting. This comparison however makes no sense

I listen to Malcolm's speech hundreds of times. It's one of my all time favorite speech. BUT you clearly took that excerpt OUT OF CONTEXT. Malcolm X HIMSELF did not voted, never registered TO VOTE and never outright advocated voting as the key. The whole point of the speech "The Ballot or the Bullet" is to address to black people as a whole to be a political force or a military force. Malcolm X supported NONE of the bills of 1964, because he knew it was a fraudulent systematic way to keep black people controlled. Dr. King as well realized the fault in pushing those bills though admitting that he lead people into the fire.

It in that VERY SAME SPEECH he said this:

lt was the black man's vote that put the present administration in Washington, D.C. Your vote, your dumb vote, your ignorant vote, your wasted vote put in an administration in Washington, D.C., that has seen fit to pass every kind of legislation imaginable, saving you until last, then filibustering on top of that. And your and my leaders have the audacity to run around clapping their hands and talk about how much progress we're making. And what a good president we have.

You tell me if Malcolm X... a man who NEVER VOTED... supposed the American voting process.

 

[gluvnast]

Malcolm X drove it home with this too in that speech.... which rings TRUE to this very day!!

So it's time in 1964 to wake up. And when you see them coming up with that kind of conspiracy, let them know your eyes are open. And let them know you -- something else that's wide open too. It's got to be the ballot or the bullet. The ballot or the bullet. If you're afraid to use an expression like that, you should get on out of the country; you should get back in the cotton patch; you should get back in the alley. They get all the Negro vote, and after they get it, the Negro gets nothing in return. All they did when they got to Washington was give a few big Negroes big jobs. Those big Negroes didn't need big jobs, they already had jobs. That's camouflage, that's trickery, that's treachery, window-dressing. I'm not trying to knock out the Democrats for the Republicans. We'll get to them in a minute. But it is true; you put the Democrats first and the Democrats put you last.

 

[AVXL]

I listen to Malcolm's speech hundreds of times. It's one of my all time favorite speech. BUT you clearly took that excerpt OUT OF CONTEXT. Malcolm X HIMSELF did not voted, never registered TO VOTE and never outright advocated voting as the key. The whole point of the speech "The Ballot or the Bullet" is to address to black people as a whole to be a political force or a military force. Malcolm X supported NONE of the bills of 1964, because he knew it was a fraudulent systematic way to keep black people controlled. Dr. King as well realized the fault in pushing those bills though admitting that he lead people into the fire.

It in that VERY SAME SPEECH he said this:



You tell me if Malcolm X... a man who NEVER VOTED... supposed the American voting process.

Look at the full context of the speech. He was encouraging Black America to 1.) Be aware of who your vote is going to, in the speech he references the Democratic Party being the same party as Southern Democrats or "Dixiecrats".

2.) He also correctly notes that Southern blacks are disenfranchised meaning we don't have the ability to vote our conscience and participate in the process of selecting elected officials or issues in our community. This was a serious problem in the south for black people because our right to vote was not being protected. For context it's also important to note that this speech was given in 1964, the same year that the Voting Rights Act bill was passed and it was also an election year. He was making this speech because we were at a critical moment in the Civil Rights movement where our part in the political process was at stake. So I disagree with your interpretation...Brother Malcolm absolutely was calling us into action by voting...a basic American right that most black Americans did not have consistent access to, i dont understand how you can see that as him encouraging black Americans to allow themselves to continue to be disenfranchised

 

[gluvnast]

Look at the full context of the speech. He was encouraging Black America to 1.) Be aware of who your vote is going to, in the speech he references the Democratic Party being the same party as Southern Democrats or "Dixiecrats".

2.) He also correctly notes that Southern blacks are disenfranchised meaning we don't have the ability to vote our conscience and participate in the process of selecting elected officials or issues in our community. This was a serious problem in the south for black people because our right to vote was not being protected. For context it's also important to note that this speech was given in 1964, the same year that the Voting Rights Act bill was passed and it was also an election year. He was making this speech because we were at a critical moment in the Civil Rights movement where our part in the political process was at stake. So I disagree with your interpretation...Brother Malcolm absolutely was calling us into action by voting...a basic American right that most black Americans did not have consistent access to, i dont understand how you can see that as him encouraging black Americans to allow themselves to continue to be disenfranchised

NO. There's NOTHING in that speech, or any other speech, interview, commentary or personal and political action that Malcolm EVER advocated voting being key. In the speech he SPECIFICALLY stated the opposite, especially in the context of it being 1964, the voters right Act, and him STATING in that same speech that the Democrats were trying to pimp the black man's vote. WHY THE HELL you think Malcolm X advocating black people to VOTE when he SPECIFICALLY stated that black man's vote is a DUMB VOTE, a IGNORANT VOTE, a WASTED VOTE??? Who or what he saying black people to vote FOR?? It wasn't to get black people into office. He OUTRIGHT STATED, that's camouflage, trickery, treachery, and window-dressing.

Malcolm X was NOT an advocate for voting. Never was. Never organized people to go out to vote. His speech made it CLEAR on his stance no matter how you want to spin it.

When Malcolm was talking about POLITICAL POWER, he was speaking BEYOND voting. This was why he was organizing African countries and black people in the states to go to the UNITED NATIONS to put the U.S. on blast of human rights violations. He was advocating a step beyond merely voting. He didn't WANT the black man to be part of the white man's system.

 

[AVXL]

NO. There's NOTHING in that speech, or any other speech, interview, commentary or personal and political action that Malcolm EVER advocated voting being key.

Look in the UN. There are poor nations in the UN; yet those poor nations can get together with their voting power and keep the rich nations from making a move. They have one nation -- one vote, everyone has an equal vote. And when those brothers from Asia, and Africa and the darker parts of this earth get together, their voting power is sufficient to hold Sam in check. Or Russia in check. Or some other section of the earth in check. So, the ballot is most important.

There was tremendous social upheaval in the United States and also in Africa where Brother Malcolm saw the impact of black nationalism and the identity of black freedom connected to voting. From a US perspective he was speaking on the fact that 22 million African Americans, mostly disenfranchised, were not able to participate in the process. I don't see how you can interpret this speech as anything other than a call to action with voting being central to the mobilization of black nationalism

In the speech he SPECIFICALLY stated the opposite, especially in the context of it being 1964, the voters right Act, and him STATING in that same speech that the Democrats were trying to pimp the black man's vote. WHY THE HELL you think Malcolm X advocating black people to VOTE when he SPECIFICALLY stated that black man's vote is a DUMB VOTE, a IGNORANT VOTE, a WASTED VOTE??? Who or what he saying black people to vote FOR?? It wasn't to get black people into office. He OUTRIGHT STATED, that's camouflage, trickery, treachery, and window-dressing.

He was being critical of us voting for politicians and parties that do not support us and aren't furthering our goals or protecting us. It is an incorrect & gross overreaction for you to equate his criticism of our vote and the parties we were supporting to the black man's vote being a wasted vote, ignorant vote in general.

Malcolm X was NOT an advocate for voting. Never was. Never organized people to go out to vote. His speech made it CLEAR on his stance no matter how you want to spin it.

When Malcolm was talking about POLITICAL POWER, he was speaking BEYOND voting. This was why he was organizing African countries and black people in the states to go to the UNITED NATIONS to put the U.S. on blast of human rights violations. He was advocating a step beyond merely voting. He didn't WANT the black man to be part of the white man's system.

Voting alone was not the end goal, but again in 1964 22 million black Americans did not have equal protection to exercise the right to vote. The choice Brother Malcolm laid out gave us options that would come with real consequences. The ballot or the bullet. If we didn't get what was owed to us (the right to vote), we needed to be ready to do whatever it takes, by any means necessary to get the rights owed to us.

If the black man in these Southern states had his full voting rights, the key Dixiecrats in Washington, D. C., which means the key Democrats in Washington, D.C., would lose their seats. The Democratic Party itself would lose its power. It would cease to be powerful as a party. When you see the amount of power that would be lost by the Democratic Party if it were to lose the Dixiecrat wing, or branch, or element, you can see where it's against the interests of the Democrats to give voting rights to Negroes in states where the Democrats have been in complete power and authority ever since the Civil War. You just can't belong to that Party without analyzing it.

I say again, I'm not anti-Democrat, I'm not anti-Republican, I'm not anti-anything. I'm just questioning their sincerity, and some of the strategy that they've been using on our people by promising them promises that they don't intend to keep. When you keep the Democrats in power, you're keeping the Dixiecrats in power. I doubt that my good Brother Lomax will deny that. A vote for a Democrat is a vote for a Dixiecrat. That's why, in 1964, it's time now for you and me to become more politically mature and realize what the ballot is for; what we're supposed to get when we cast a ballot; and that if we don't cast a ballot, it's going to end up in a situation where we're going to have to cast a bullet. It's either a ballot or a bullet.

His critique is against the powers holding us down, specifically the Democratic Party and saying that if we had our full voting rights protected we could influence the people in power. Voting was a key to that future...I don't see how you think that Brother Malcolm was denouncing the black vote...if you actually read what he said he's empowering the potential of the black vote and what that would mean for black nationalism in this country

 

[gluvnast]

There was tremendous social upheaval in the United States and also in Africa where Brother Malcolm saw the impact of black nationalism and the identity of black freedom connected to voting. From a US perspective he was speaking on the fact that 22 million African Americans, mostly disenfranchised, were not able to participate in the process. I don't see how you can interpret this speech as anything other than a call to action with voting being central to the mobilization of black nationalism



He was being critical of us voting for politicians and parties that do not support us and aren't furthering our goals or protecting us. It is an incorrect & gross overreaction for you to equate his criticism of our vote and the parties we were supporting to the black man's vote being a wasted vote, ignorant vote in general.



Voting alone was not the end goal, but again in 1964 22 million black Americans did not have equal protection to exercise the right to vote. The choice Brother Malcolm laid out gave us options that would come with real consequences. The ballot or the bullet. If we didn't get what was owed to us (the right to vote), we needed to be ready to do whatever it takes, by any means necessary to get the rights owed to us.



His critique is against the powers holding us down, specifically the Democratic Party and saying that if we had our full voting rights protected we could influence the people in power. Voting was a key to that future...I don't see how you think that Brother Malcolm was denouncing the black vote...if you actually read what he said he's empowering the potential of the black vote and what that would mean for black nationalism in this country

You are confusing the power in numbers by going to the United Nations (which is what I ALREADY stated was what Malcolm was talking about in using the black man's political power) with voting in an ELECTION. He went out his WAY explaining how voting is ineffective and not for black people. He was speaking about unifying African nations as well with other nations to confront the United States GOVERNMENT as a WHOLE at the U.N. and explained then-current events as examples of how The United States was put in check by other nations due to their strength in numbers.

This is in his words was stating.... it's more than voting in an election:

When we begin to get in this area, we need new friends, we need new allies. We need to expand the civil-rights struggle to a higher level -- to the level of human rights. Whenever you are in a civil-rights struggle, whether you know it or not, you are confining yourself to the jurisdiction of Uncle Sam. No one from the outside world can speak out in your behalf as long as your struggle is a civil-rights struggle. Civil rights comes within the domestic affairs of this country. All of our African brothers and our Asian brothers and our Latin-American brothers cannot open their mouths and interfere in the domestic affairs of the United States. And as long as it's civil rights, this comes under the jurisdiction of Uncle Sam.

But the United Nations has what's known as the charter of human rights; it has a committee that deals in human rights. You may wonder why all of the atrocities that have been committed in Africa and in Hungary and in Asia, and in Latin America are brought before the UN, and the Negro problem is never brought before the UN. This is part of the conspiracy. This old, tricky blue eyed liberal who is supposed to be your and my friend, supposed to be in our corner, supposed to be subsidizing our struggle, and supposed to be acting in the capacity of an adviser, never tells you anything about human rights. They keep you wrapped up in civil rights. And you spend so much time barking up the civil-rights tree, you don't even know there's a human-rights tree on the same floor.

When you expand the civil-rights struggle to the level of human rights, you can then take the case of the black man in this country before the nations in the UN. You can take it before the General Assembly. You can take Uncle Sam before a world court. But the only level you can do it on is the level of human rights. Civil rights keeps you under his restrictions, under his jurisdiction. Civil rights keeps you in his pocket. Civil rights means you're asking Uncle Sam to treat you right. Human rights are something you were born with. Human rights are your God-given rights. Human rights are the rights that are recognized by all nations of this earth. And any time any one violates your human rights, you can take them to the world court.

Not to mention when he talking about "the ballot" he was talking about demanding freedom... he, in fact, explicit said that. And he was talking about NATIONS coming together to confront the United States... not a general election.

In fact, this is also what he stated:

When you take your case to Washington, D.C., you're taking it to the criminal who's responsible; it's like running from the wolf to the fox. They're all in cahoots together. They all work political chicanery and make you look like a chump before the eyes of the world. Here you are walking around in America, getting ready to be drafted and sent abroad, like a tin soldier, and when you get over there, people ask you what are you fighting for, and you have to stick your tongue in your cheek. No, take Uncle Sam to court, take him before the world.

He even proclaimed that the black man is faced in a government conspiracy to hold us back. Even stated and I quote, "This so-called democracy has failed the Negro!"

There's nothing in that entire passage that suggest he's telling black people to get out there and VOTE. He was un-apologetically AGAINST the American democratic process!

Lastly, you again took the what he's talking about out of context. As I stated before, the "ballot" he speaking of is FREEDOM... again he outright stated that. He is demanding freedom from oppression of black people. And if freedom is not on the ballot then we can go to war.

How you assume he trusts this government and advocating for voting within this white controlled government when his philosophy as stated in The Ballot and The Bullet was this?

The social philosophy of black nationalism only means that we have to get together and remove the evils, the vices, alcoholism, drug addiction, and other evils that are destroying the moral fiber of our community. We our selves have to lift the level of our community, the standard of our community to a higher level, make our own society beautiful so that we will be satisfied in our own social circles and won't be running around here trying to knock our way into a social circle where we're not wanted. So I say, in spreading a gospel such as black nationalism, it is not designed to make the black man re-evaluate the white man -- you know him already -- but to make the black man re-evaluate himself. Don't change the white man's mind -- you can't change his mind, and that whole thing about appealing to the moral conscience of America -- America's conscience is bankrupt. She lost all conscience a long time ago. Uncle Sam has no conscience.

To conclude, Malcolm X entire speech was about embracing BLACK NATIONALISM and using the collective power of Africans to push back oppression and human rights violations that this country was and still is doing towards black people. It was NOT about going out to vote. He went out his way explaining how USELESS our vote in this political system is. Again, I ask you, what kind of logic of him advocating people to VOTE when there's no BALLOT for them to vote for? So how in the world KAEPERNICK is a hypocrite for not voting because he doesn't care or trust this democratic system when the ENTIRE SPEECH by Malcolm X was SIMPLY about why the democratic system should not be trusted???

 

[gluvnast]

You maybe you should listen the plenty examples of Malcolm speaking against voting.... and why. Don't get at Kaepernick for not trusting this democratic system.

 

[gluvnast]

 

[Professor Mac]

Snoop on Undisputed going in on Colin Kaepernick and how he shouldn't have spoken on Castro


Like I said before out of ALL of the black media I've seen thecoli is the only place that has something positive to say about Kaps on this subject

you dumb nikkas keep thinking its ok to be from a America, claim to be about "human rights " and publicly praise an opposing dictator