Stephen A. Smith catching hell on twitter right now from his own Colleague at ESPN

[$lim]

Stay strong, Michelle!

 

[winb83]

as a man, you have to remember that it is never OK to hit a woman.

and why is this?

personally i think its wrong for anybody regardless of sex to hit anyone else period. when you say it is never ok for a man to hit a woman that's a loaded phrase because of what you're not saying. you aren't saying its never ok for a woman to hit a man. you're almost treating women like children in terms of expectations from them.

you know like on some shyt like children don't have good judgment and may do dumb shyt and as an adult its your job to be above that. i still wanna know why we expect so much of men and so little of women when it comes to behavior management.

 

[MIAlien]

Stephen A. should've been WAY more specific about what he meant by "not provoking" men to hit them. He did himself a huge disservice by being so vague about it. We all know what he was referring to and what he probably told all the women in his family. It's not about women doing things to keep themselves safe from being abused by their boyfriends. It's about men and women not going outside the bounds of decency, even when you're arguing with someone. There's certain lines that people cross at their own peril. Not every man or woman is built the same and you have to be careful when it comes to a few things.

There are certain things you shouldn't do or say if you're unprovoked. You shouldn't disrespect someone's mother, spit in their face, or anything on that level of disrespect. If a woman or man goes past that point of disrespect, then all bets are off. You don't know what might happen. That doesn't make the person's reaction right, but the situation could've been avoided.

There's nothing wrong with Stephen A telling his sisters not spit in guy's faces, disrespect guy's mothers, or start swinging on guys. It was just so gauge it sounded kinda like he tells them how to act right so their man won't beat them.

All that said, it was an inappropriate time to bring it up, even if it was a good point, because it has nothing to do with Ray Rice's situation.

 

[philmonroe]

i dont agree with beadle and her tweets, but I havent liked SAS since he blamed us for racism, and i definitely dont agree with what the hell he said in that quote.

saying dont provoke a man to hit you (a woman) is problematic because in a way its providing a reason and excuse for why he put his hands on a woman. as a man, you have to remember that it is never OK to hit a woman. extreme circumstances (self defense, war, etc.) are different, but the problem with the provoking is that different people have different triggers. not making the eggs sunny side up could be a provoking action, just as infidelity could be. you dont defend men beating women. We are physically stronger, and we always have to remember that we supposed to protect a woman, and if we feel that provoked, we need to leave the woman/situation asap.

i have a daughter, and while i teach her to be fair to everyone, i wish a boy would put their hands on her, "provoked" or not. i would stomp the dog shyt out of that dude because its the principle.

i feel the same way about rape. a woman should have the freedom to wear what she wants and not have to worry about provoking a man to rape her.

everyone should be held accountable equally for their actions. but provoking is no justifiable excuse for a subsequent action. i cant punch a racist, and say they provoked me into it, and use that in the court of law to exonerate my actions.

SAS is a foxnews supporting dumbass, and i wish he would shut the fukk up and keep his c00ntastic morals and beliefs to his dumbass self.

The comments are not problematic unless you're willingly choosing to be that person in this situation. People know exactly what he meant and if you don't your just being "that person" because you don't like him or you want points or something. He could have said it better but we all know what "provoke" means but now its cool for people to play stupid. I hear you about your daughter too but lets act like you can and will stomp every guy out they got people too. That's just something I notice we say like other people can't stomp the dog shyt out of us and or got people that will do you like you did their fam/friend.

Honestly its not hard to understand you should be able to wear what you want but don't act like everybody on this planet is doing the right thing. If that was the case you could leave your door wide open and nobody would steal from you but I guarantee your door is locked every night. You also can't walk away from every situation but people always seem to have the answers when not in the situation.

 

[Walt]

All that said, it was an inappropriate time to bring it up, even if it was a good point, because it has nothing to do with Ray Rice's situation.

And this is really the obvious thing he should've known, and the same reason Mark Cuban's comments about his thoughts on inherent bias drew so much criticism. Sometimes the story just isn't about you and your musings. Basically, fukk your thoughts, b.

I knew a brilliant, beautiful black woman who was shot and killed execution style by a drug crew her boyfriend owed money to.

I guess I could've struck up a conversation at her memorial service about the other issues at hand: damn, why was this educated, beautiful woman dating a petty drug dealer? Why would she move in with him, knowing the drama he's in? Is there some misguided quest for authenticity that makes a significant number of black women gravitate toward nikkas who many would consider wayward and low down?

But that's a complicated conversation best reserved for after the memorial service, in private, with close friends, and even then with a serious degree of understanding and sympathy. Because the bottom line is she didn't deserve to die, and her family was grieving, and my personal opinions about anything else were irrelevant and would've been foul to express in that context.

Sometimes you need to just shut the fukk up in service to a bigger cause.

 

[NoMoreWhiteWoman2020]

and why is this?

personally i think its wrong for anybody regardless of sex to hit anyone else period. when you say it is never ok for a man to hit a woman that's a loaded phrase because of what you're not saying. you aren't saying its never ok for a woman to hit a man. you're almost treating women like children in terms of expectations from them.

you know like on some shyt like children don't have good judgment and may do dumb shyt and as an adult its your job to be above that. i still wanna know why we expect so much of men and so little of women when it comes to behavior management.

i agree 100%. it is never ok for a woman to hit a man.

The comments are not problematic unless you're willingly choosing to be that person in this situation. People know exactly what he meant and if you don't your just being "that person" because you don't like him or you want points or something. He could have said it better but we all know what "provoke" means but now its cool for people to play stupid. I hear you about your daughter too but lets act like you can and will stomp every guy out they got people too. That's just something I notice we say like other people can't stomp the dog shyt out of us and or got people that will do you like you did their fam/friend.

Honestly its not hard to understand you should be able to wear what you want but don't act like everybody on this planet is doing the right thing. If that was the case you could leave your door wide open and nobody would steal from you but I guarantee your door is locked every night. You also can't walk away from every situation but people always seem to have the answers when not in the situation.

i just find the whole provoking argument problematic, and i see it as a slippery slope. we all know what provoking means, and that just it- provoking is subjective and means different things for different people. I could say that an Auburn fan provoked me to beat their ass last season after the Crimson Tide lost to them and they gloated in my face. Does that justify my actions even though I was provoked?

and for the second bolded sentence, i know thats a big fight, but fukk it i would be going out standing on my principles.

 

[reserved_one]

The season can't start quick enough

 

[winb83]

i agree 100%. it is never ok for a woman to hit a man.


i just find the whole provoking argument problematic, and i see it as a slippery slope. we all know what provoking means, and that just it- provoking is subjective and means different things for different people. I could say that an Auburn fan provoked me to beat their ass last season after the Crimson Tide lost to them and they gloated in my face. Does that justify my actions even though I was provoked?

and for the second bolded sentence, i know thats a big fight, but fukk it i would be going out standing on my principles.

what if that fan walked up to you and spat on you and smacked you in the face?

there's a difference between a man beating a woman just because he's a wife beater and a man who got hit by a woman flying off the handle and retaliating against her.

people like Michelle Beadle are basically mixing the two together and Stephan A is saying they're different. Black men know all too well that a woman will physically assault us because they know they can use their womanhood as a weapon against us if we retaliate. We know that women will regress into a child like state of defiance and hit us and go "nikka you ain't gonna do shyt about it cause if you do i'm calling the cops and they'll beat the shyt outta your ass and lock you up."

I think Stephan A was speaking from that perspective.

 

[KingJudah]

Damn shame, but we know people are skip right over this and keep focusing on what dude said.

Bill maher got a lot of backlash for that. I follow him on twitter.

 

[philmonroe]

i agree 100%. it is never ok for a woman to hit a man.


i just find the whole provoking argument problematic, and i see it as a slippery slope. we all know what provoking means, and that just it- provoking is subjective and means different things for different people. I could say that an Auburn fan provoked me to beat their ass last season after the Crimson Tide lost to them and they gloated in my face. Does that justify my actions even though I was provoked?

and for the second bolded sentence, i know thats a big fight, but fukk it i would be going out standing on my principles.

Nah provoking means different things but unless somebody playing stupid people know damn well what it means in this situation. If she doesn't spit, hit him first this probably never happens like this and people glossing over it is why it seems like people are being disingenuous on this topic. That's all most are saying while saying Ray still didn't have to knock her out and also they looked to drunk so adding too you get stuff like this even quicker. The Bama/Auburn stuff don't fly because how them gloating about their team in your face justify you hitting you? Did they spit on or hit you while saying it? If not I don't think that's the same situation. I know you would be standing on your principals but it been people that got that work also standing on their principles that's all I was saying.

 

[KingsnBucs1987]

Bill maher got a lot of backlash for that. I follow him on twitter.

Didn't know. Don't really use twitter like.

 

[winb83]

Nah provoking means different things but unless somebody playing stupid people know damn well what it means in this situation. If she doesn't spit, hit him first this probably never happens like this and people glossing over it is why it seems like people are being disingenuous on this topic.

I don't understand how the rest of the world doesn't see this. It's like people wanna be obstinate so they can be pugnacious about this situation. Its pretty clear what Stephan A meant when he said don't provoke in the context of the situation that brought the conversation on. people are ignoring that and stepping provoke back to mean anything at all instead of what was specifically being talked about.

 

[philmonroe]

I don't understand how the rest of the world doesn't see this. It's like people wanna be obstinate so they can be pugnacious about this situation. Its pretty clear what Stephan A meant when he said don't provoke in the context of the situation that brought the conversation on. people are ignoring that and stepping provoke back to mean anything at all instead of what was specifically being talked about.

Honestly I blame it on the new age strong arm mafia. Its like if you not down with whatever the popular narrative is on a situation the S.A.M hit you with that get down or lay down like this state property or some shyt. Its crazy people can have differing opinions without it having to be world war 3 smh.

 

[winb83]

Honestly I blame it on the new age strong arm mafia. Its like if you not down with whatever the popular narrative is on a situation the S.A.M hit you with that get down or lay down like this state property or some shyt. Its crazy people can have differing opinions without it having to be world war 3 smh.

You can't openly criticize women on national TV even if you have a valid point. society in general has pretty low expectations of women and will always search out a way to absolve them of any responsibility they have for any bad situation they find themselves in.

a woman in always the victim even if she's an accomplice.

 

[Gravity]

I knew a brilliant, beautiful black woman who was shot and killed execution style by a drug crew her boyfriend owed money to.

I guess I could've struck up a conversation at her memorial service about the other issues at hand: damn, why was this educated, beautiful woman dating a petty drug dealer? Why would she move in with him, knowing the drama he's in? Is there some misguided quest for authenticity that makes a significant number of black women gravitate toward nikkas who many would consider wayward and low down?

But that's a complicated conversation best reserved for after the memorial service, in private, with close friends, and even then with a serious degree of understanding and sympathy. Because the bottom line is she didn't deserve to die, and her family was grieving, and my personal opinions about anything else were irrelevant and would've been foul to express in that context.

Sometimes you need to just shut the fukk up in service to a bigger cause.

Gotdamn that was a piss poor analogy.