Stephen Jackson Calls Out AB For His Comments on Shannon

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c00ning can be personal benefit, you can be a co-worker who will point out faults and vilify your same race co-workers to "get ahead" or atleast make sure others don't pass you up, for example. That is c00ning. That is probably the most common form of c00ning most blacks have, other blacks in the workforce sabotaging the rest of us.
Same situation, change the race, then you finna be calling them "go-getters"/aggressive/cut-throat/competitive/alpha/shaddy folks...but since it's Black folks...they koons? stop it

Not only doesn't your example satisfy your own meaning, it's further proof for my original point that your critiques are strategically based on generic phrases/open-ended meanings/loose concepts/conditional standards so you could freely and recklessly apply judgement


Kevin Hart and the oscars is a losing battle of a failed ideology.
fukk the oscars, they mean nothing but what c00ns put into it.
The 60s notion of white acceptance should have hit the dead end it was destined for with the presidency of Barack Obama.

As for Shannon and the blunts and liqour, again my point is why portray yourself in a manner that you proudly do not live by because he himself views it as a negative. Thats why I don't understand why it should be acceptable, he doesn't even endorse the way of living he is portraying, so to me the question becomes why is he doing this.

I disagree with you regarding fukking and having children, no difference at all in my opinion, but thats my moral view and if you have a different one, we probably aren't going to agree.

I don't care about athlete stereotypes, Deion came to college training camp in limos, that isn't c00ning, just like when the latin baseball players were showing up in different exotic cars. Calling actions you disagree with c00ning makes no mistake. Trying to assign typical narcassitic arrogant athlete behavior to black behavior is also incorrect.

That said again, I've yet to see AB denigrate black americans or play into negative stereotypes of black americans, like Shannon is doing.
You blaming Shannon for denigrating Black folks while not being able to give the reason why henny and milds are a stereotype.

Smh. Now you don't care about stereotypes of Black athletes? again, you're arguing just to argue at this point because stereotypes of low intelligence/attention whoring is used against the average Black person. It's lame of you to try to separate "stereotypes" applied to Black folks because you wouldn't do that against any other social groups





Why are you rambling about the oscars and KH when my only point was to show my consistency by giving all entertainers, including Shannon, freedom of expression and creativity. Thus a standard to judge entertainers is their effort to separate fiction and real life. Any Black entertainer that's actively trying to blur the lines, is a koon...which fits the definition of a koon I gave
I can't take credit for the definition of koon and the way of thinking. It was summarized and debated at a brain storming session on social hot topics, I attended a few years back




Also it's due to the standards and expectations of the various panel discussions I've attended, where the audience and participants agree on 99% of the subject matter, so you can't use cliches/buzzwords/loose concepts to debate the 1% discrepancy, without looking like the lame who just wants to hear themselves speak
I gave you a list of AB violations to justify the koon label so that the tactic of a single act isn't juelzed. Like you're doing now with his camp arrivals, while claiming the minimal use of props as reason to call Shannon a koon. Despite no other violations and no stereotypes of the props he uses



I get it, there are people who are
-fitness snobs
-grammer nazis
-green-tea bigots
-haughty vegetarians
...but not everyone looks down on folks that doesn't follow their way of life. Shannon hasn't given any indication to be that way, so it's silly to judge him for a performance based on an irrelevant perception you have and whether he lives his character's life

C'mon breh...now you talmbowt your morals stance, while originally basing your "he dates white women" argument on the possible violation of pro-Black tenets. Thus why I gave you the definition of pro-Blackness and how it applies to fawking and breeding
 

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Same situation, change the race, then you finna be calling them "go-getters"/aggressive/cut-throat/competitive/alpha/shaddy folks...but since it's Black folks...they koons? stop it

If that is what you would call it, that you. I would call it c00ning, when asians do it to other asians, and etc. Maybe a different term specific to their culture or race, but it would be the same, Betraying your race.

Not only doesn't your example satisfy your own meaning, it's further proof for my original point that your critiques are strategically based on generic phrases/open-ended meanings/loose concepts/conditional standards so you could freely and recklessly apply judgement



You blaming Shannon for denigrating Black folks while not being able to give the reason why henny and milds are a stereotype.

Smh. Now you don't care about stereotypes of Black athletes? again, you're arguing just to argue at this point because stereotypes of low intelligence/attention whoring is used against the average Black person. It's lame of you to try to separate "stereotypes" applied to Black folks because you wouldn't do that against any other social groups





Why are you rambling about the oscars and KH when my only point was to show my consistency by giving all entertainers, including Shannon, freedom of expression and creativity. Thus a standard to judge entertainers is their effort to separate fiction and real life. Any Black entertainer that's actively trying to blur the lines, is a koon...which fits the definition of a koon I gave
I can't take credit for the definition of koon and the way of thinking. It was summarized and debated at a brain storming session on social hot topics, I attended a few years back




Also it's due to the standards and expectations of the various panel discussions I've attended, where the audience and participants agree on 99% of the subject matter, so you can't use cliches/buzzwords/loose concepts to debate the 1% discrepancy, without looking like the lame who just wants to hear themselves speak
I gave you a list of AB violations to justify the koon label so that the tactic of a single act isn't juelzed. Like you're doing now with his camp arrivals, while claiming the minimal use of props as reason to call Shannon a koon. Despite no other violations and no stereotypes of the props he uses



I get it, there are people who are
-fitness snobs
-grammer nazis
-green-tea bigots
-haughty vegetarians
...but not everyone looks down on folks that doesn't follow their way of life. Shannon hasn't given any indication to be that way, so it's silly to judge him for a performance based on an irrelevant perception you have and whether he lives his character's life

C'mon breh...now you talmbowt your morals stance, while originally basing your "he dates white women" argument on the possible violation of pro-Black tenets. Thus why I gave you the definition of pro-Blackness and how it applies to fawking and breeding
How does what I wrote not fit my criteria, when it clearly does?
I provided the definition of c00ning, I then stated how Shannon portraying a negative stereotype about blacks something he doesn't live by himself because he knows it is negative, is c00ning because it is destructive imaging of blacks used and published by white supremacists for a reason, unfortunately.

I differentiate between athlete stereotypes and black stereotypes, seems pretty simple.

I literally said why i disagree with your kevin hart statement and gave you more insight to that. Take it or don't.

The list you gave of AB I disagree with and told you why I felt so.
 
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If that is what you would call it, that you. I would call it c00ning, when asians do it to other asians, and etc. Maybe a different term specific to their culture or race, but it would be the same, Betraying your race.
smh. Betraying your race is telling your supervisory that other folks are fawkups? not because you deserve/want the promotion or because they are actually fawkups

There's no desire for the "acceptance by the majority " OR denigrating about being honest/cut-throat/competitive/azzhole to achieve your goal

How does what I wrote not fit my criteria, when it clearly does?
I provided the definition of c00ning, I then stated how Shannon portraying a negative stereotype about blacks something he doesn't live by himself because he knows it is negative, is c00ning because it is destructive imaging of blacks used and published by white supremacists for a reason, unfortunately.

I differentiate between athlete stereotypes and black stereotypes, seems pretty simple.

I literally said why i disagree with your kevin hart statement and gave you more insight to that. Take it or don't.

The list you gave of AB I disagree with and told you why I felt so.
There can't be your criteria and others, thus why the word koon has been completely weaken because folks just want to feel a certain way and hear themselves speak
using the generic terms, like "vilifying" don't mean anyone is being a koon, traitor or seeking "acceptance by the majority"
using props doesn't mean anyone is a koon, traitor, or seeking "acceptance by the majority"

This is like the fifth time I'm asking, what is the stereotype of henny and milds?
and the first time I'm asking, which other entertainers has to live their characters/artform? let me guess...first criteria is race being Black

Athlete stereotypes is one thing,
[Racial/Social] athlete stereotypes often extends to or derives from average [Racial/Social] stereotypes. Trying to trivialize that pretty simple relationship shows that you don't care about details

You were just incoherently rambling about KH/Oscars and BO, arrogantly using a word that you can't properly define


If this was a discussion about what's your favorite color, team, or MVP then everyone has an opinion but
-the behavior you're capeing for is counter productive for the individual and Black folks,
-the open-ended meanings of racially charged words, ideologies and attidudes is counter productive for Black folks
-your comfort with recklessly judging and having conditional standards, is counter productive for Black folks
 

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smh. Betraying your race is telling your supervisory that other folks are fawkups? not because you deserve/want the promotion or because they are actually fawkups
Did I write that?
I know I didn't, seeing that I clearly wrote what I thought and its posted.

There's no desire for the "acceptance by the majority " OR denigrating about being honest/cut-throat/competitive/azzhole to achieve your goal


There can't be your criteria and others, thus why the word koon has been completely weaken because folks just want to feel a certain way and hear themselves speak
using the generic terms, like "vilifying" don't mean anyone is being a koon, traitor or seeking "acceptance by the majority"
using props doesn't mean anyone is a koon, traitor, or seeking "acceptance by the majority"

This is like the fifth time I'm asking, what is the stereotype of henny and milds?
and the first time I'm asking, which other entertainers has to live their characters/artform? let me guess...first criteria is race being Black

Athlete stereotypes is one thing,
[Racial/Social] athlete stereotypes often extends to or derives from average [Racial/Social] stereotypes. Trying to trivialize that pretty simple relationship shows that you don't care about details

You were just incoherently rambling about KH/Oscars and BO, arrogantly using a word that you can't properly define


If this was a discussion about what's your favorite color, team, or MVP then everyone has an opinion but
-the behavior you're capeing for is counter productive for the individual and Black folks,
-the open-ended meanings of racially charged words, ideologies and attidudes is counter productive for Black folks
-your comfort with recklessly judging and having conditional standards, is counter productive for Black folks
You believe what you want I'm clearing writing what I feel.

ARe you a black american? You don't know the negative stereotype of black americans being shiftless drunks who drink and smoke and are lazy? This is a common negative stereotype of black americans that has existed for a long time.

As for spending money and athlete stereotypes, the typical things you bring up are more associated with athletes in the US than black americans.

No I wasn't rambling and I wasn't incoherent, I"m sad that you were lost by it, but thats on you.

Seeing that we are using words and we disagree on what the words mean, its subjective, ie opinion. The only thing you can do with that is then explain your opinion and be logically consistent.

Nothing open ended about anything I've said.
 
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Did I write that?
I know I didn't, seeing that I clearly wrote what I thought and its posted.
You wrote...
"get ahead,"
"vilify"
"make sure others don't pass you up"

You're using generic and loosely defined words so that you could reach/equate/categorize as the same, anything at your leisure. I tried warning you that this tactic wasn't going to work, using "mix with whites" allows you to call any Black person with white friends a koon, which is silly and self-serving
I used your loose idea to show how a specific example still satisfies your idea without supporting your meaning of the word koon

You believe what you want I'm clearing writing what I feel.
ARe you a black american? You don't know the negative stereotype of black americans being shiftless drunks who drink and smoke and are lazy? This is a common negative stereotype of black americans that has existed for a long time.
As for spending money and athlete stereotypes, the typical things you bring up are more associated with athletes in the US than black americans.
No I wasn't rambling and I wasn't incoherent, I"m sad that you were lost by it, but thats on you.
Seeing that we are using words and we disagree on what the words mean, its subjective, ie opinion. The only thing you can do with that is then explain your opinion and be logically consistent.
Nothing open ended about anything I've said.
Since we're not wild animals and by default should have on our big boy pants when talmbowt certain topics, words have meaning. Whether you feel a desire to know the meaning/reasons behind the words is subjective, not the meaning of a word

I'm not asking you about your favorite color, I'm asking you to defend your use of a word that directly judges the behavior of Black folks
-You're watering down the word koon for self-serving reasons but you won't admit it, while claiming to be concerned about Black folks
-You're now using your "morals," but before used pro-Black tenets to judge Shannon. Moving the goal post so to have a rebuttal

Shannon using liquor and milds to celebrate is stereotyping, but what about other entertainers that actually smoke/drink alcohol in a video/movie set/IG? or athletes celebrating a championship by sparking a cigar and drinking the same?




Save all that "are you American Black or not" deflection...being extra/being over-top/center of attention/always gotta put on a performance/showoff/proving something are a few stereotypes for average Black folks

You rambled about KH/Oscar/BO for the sole purpose to use the word koon, more self serving efforts



Accountability and consistency is the only way to build trust among humans...so the clearly nonchalant attitude you have about Black behavior, inconsistent judging and the reckless use of a racially charged word is only possible with an open-ended stance, which is counter productive
 

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You wrote...
"get ahead,"
"vilify"
"make sure others don't pass you up"

I'm know what I wrote and the great thing about forums is what I wrote is unedited and posted there for me to re-read and for you to read.
So...yeah, no confusion with what I wrote and I was very clear.
If you find that it isn't clear enough for you, there is nothing I can do, that is as clear as I can make it.
We'll just have to chalk it up as a failure at communication.

I used your loose idea to show how a specific example still satisfies your idea without supporting your meaning of the word koon


Since we're not wild animals and by default should have on our big boy pants when talmbowt certain topics, words have meaning. Whether you feel a desire to know the meaning/reasons behind the words is subjective, not the meaning of a word

I'm not asking you about your favorite color, I'm asking you to defend your use of a word that directly judges the behavior of Black folks
-You're watering down the word koon for self-serving reasons but you won't admit it, while claiming to be concerned about Black folks
-You're now using your "morals," but before used pro-Black tenets to judge Shannon. Moving the goal post so to have a rebuttal

Shannon using liquor and milds to celebrate is stereotyping, but what about other entertainers that actually smoke/drink alcohol in a video/movie set/IG? or athletes celebrating a championship by sparking a cigar and drinking the same?




Save all that "are you American Black or not" deflection...being extra/being over-top/center of attention/always gotta put on a performance/showoff/proving something are a few stereotypes for average Black folks

You rambled about KH/Oscar/BO for the sole purpose to use the word koon, more self serving efforts



Accountability and consistency is the only way to build trust among humans...so the clearly nonchalant attitude you have about Black behavior, inconsistent judging and the reckless use of a racially charged word is only possible with an open-ended stance, which is counter productive
Yet I didn't provide a loose idea, I provided a very specific idea as to what c00ning is and I gave you an example of it in a non-media scenario.

Words have meaning and I define the words I use and provide example, it doesn't seem to me that we are having a issue with vagueness, its more so total disagreement.

I told you about my use of the word and the rationale, if you disagree you disagree, Intellectual honesty is just noting we disagree, deception and intellectual dishonesty is trying to claim distinction, definitions, and ideas are not made period, like you are trying to do.

If the question is do I think entertainers who portray negative depictions of black americans for white benefactors are c00ning besides Shannon, to me yes they are. If that is what you wanted to know from the get go, all you had to do was simply ask that question from the get go. I think tyler perry proto-minstrel shows are c00ning. I think movies like superfly that push out that negative non-sense is c00ning by all the black "talent" involved. I think music that glorifies killing black americans, selling drugs to black americans, and promoting drug use to black americans is c00ning. Actions that are taken to denigrate my race of black americans for white benefit is c00ning.

Asking are you a black american, when you seem to not know black american culture and cultural stereotypes, isn't deflection first off all, mainly because that question wasn't a deflection of your question, I answered your question, its a request for clarification. I see you didn't answer it, though, so I will assume you are not a black american, which is why most of your questiioning seems to be from the perspective of someone who isn't a member of the black american community.

I didn't ramble at all about KH and the Oscar, I made a very specific point, if you didn't understand it, say you didn't understand, but it was very much in reference to your weak attempt to claim freedom of speech, in a conversation in which it doesn't even apply, being that freedom of speech is a restriction on the US government, not society.

I'm talking about black americans living in the system of white supremacy in the United states. If you want to push that we are all humans stuff, fine, just understand I don't buy that non-sense because it isn't practiced in reality. As black americans we have to be mindful of how whites will try to use us to push a negative image of us in this world for their betterment and our detriment.
 
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I'm know what I wrote and the great thing about forums is what I wrote is unedited and posted there for me to re-read and for you to read.
So...yeah, no confusion with what I wrote and I was very clear.
If you find that it isn't clear enough for you, there is nothing I can do, that is as clear as I can make it.
We'll just have to chalk it up as a failure at communication.
...yes, you are clearly using generic and open-end verbiage

You want to chalk it up as failure to communicate to save face. When in actuality your efforts continue to prove my initial assertions about your self serving efforts...at the expense of the majority
Does that sound familiar?

Yet I didn't provide a loose idea, I provided a very specific idea as to what c00ning is and I gave you an example of it in a non-media scenario.

Words have meaning and I define the words I use and provide example, it doesn't seem to me that we are having a issue with vagueness, its more so total disagreement.

I told you about my use of the word and the rationale, if you disagree you disagree, Intellectual honesty is just noting we disagree, deception and intellectual dishonesty is trying to claim distinction, definitions, and ideas are not made period, like you are trying to do.

If the question is do I think entertainers who portray negative depictions of black americans for white benefactors are c00ning besides Shannon, to me yes they are. If that is what you wanted to know from the get go, all you had to do was simply ask that question from the get go. I think tyler perry proto-minstrel shows are c00ning. I think movies like superfly that push out that negative non-sense is c00ning by all the black "talent" involved. I think music that glorifies killing black americans, selling drugs to black americans, and promoting drug use to black americans is c00ning. Actions that are taken to denigrate my race of black americans for white benefit is c00ning.

Asking are you a black american, when you seem to not know black american culture and cultural stereotypes, isn't deflection first off all, mainly because that question wasn't a deflection of your question, I answered your question, its a request for clarification. I see you didn't answer it, though, so I will assume you are not a black american, which is why most of your questiioning seems to be from the perspective of someone who isn't a member of the black american community.

I didn't ramble at all about KH and the Oscar, I made a very specific point, if you didn't understand it, say you didn't understand, but it was very much in reference to your weak attempt to claim freedom of speech, in a conversation in which it doesn't even apply, being that freedom of speech is a restriction on the US government, not society.

I'm talking about black americans living in the system of white supremacy in the United states. If you want to push that we are all humans stuff, fine, just understand I don't buy that non-sense because it isn't practiced in reality. As black americans we have to be mindful of how whites will try to use us to push a negative image of us in this world for their betterment and our detriment.
lol. I couldn't have written a better response to support allegations of self serving. I'm sure some may think we're alt accounts for the same user attention whoring via a fake debate

When I'm referencing the actions of humans, instead of a specific racial/social group, it is my attempt to hold myself accountable to not let any human flaw(insecurity, jealousy,hate etc) bias me. That's how you get when you're around certain types of people...so since you "don't buy that non-sense because it isn't practiced in reality," you're telling on yourself and your circle lol



You defining a word, void of any measures of accountability for human flaws and you proving to be careless about the definition's accuracy, to be free to
-dapfish using racially charged buzzwords
-police Black folks' action, while not judging other group members for the same actions
-recklessly make allegations about Black folks
-cape for your fav Black person over another another
...is the problem



I don't talk about low hanging fruit examples and generic concepts like Tyler Perry/drug dealers/gangbangers/white supremacy etc because those are normally used by casuals for virtue signaling/woke flagging...in other words, for self serving reasons
c00ning is denigrating your race for acceptance by the majority right?
Only a self serving person is willing to use examples that don't support their own meaning. No Black drug dealer cares about "acceptance by the majority," they are about the money...in other words, self serving at the expense of the majority



The fact that a Black media personality cannot publicly smoke or drink, but non-Blacks can, further proves that you are more concerned with what white folks think and how the actions of Shannon(and others in media) will affect your interactions with white folks
Context matters, freedom of speech, expression and creativity has to be afforded to all, not just non-Blacks. You conditionally getting in your feelings only when Black folks do the same thing as others proves you contribute to the problem



I've been on the innanet for too long to fall for blatant deflection attempts, especially on this forum.......using "Black american" as a way to gain unearned credibility are the actions of a self serving manipulator. You might as well use cac/russian-bot/right-wing/agent if you're that desperate

I don't care who you think I am, I'm more concern with self-serving people like you, piggybacking on legit plights for your comeup/dapfish/woke signaling, at the expense of the majority, via watering down the word koon

KH/Oscars/BO incoherent and irrelevant rant is just word salad. You being verbose doesn't reflect knowledge/expertise...it's just you wanting to hear yourself talk


Again, a koon is self serving at the expense of the majority/individual/ideology/progress/movements etc...your actions in this thread proves that more than Shannon's use of props... when pointing a finger at others, there're three pointing back at you
 

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...yes, you are clearly using generic and open-end verbiage

You want to chalk it up as failure to communicate to save face. When in actuality your efforts continue to prove my initial assertions about your self serving efforts...at the expense of the majority
Does that sound familiar?
It obviously is, since you claim what was clearly written isn't understanable to you.
What is self serving about saying c00ning is denegrating your own race for the benefit of the majority race?
What you claim literally makes no sense.


lol. I couldn't have written a better response to support allegations of self serving. I'm sure some may think we're alt accounts for the same user attention whoring via a fake debate

When I'm referencing the actions of humans, instead of a specific racial/social group, it is my attempt to hold myself accountable to not let any human flaw(insecurity, jealousy,hate etc) bias me. That's how you get when you're around certain types of people...so since you "don't buy that non-sense because it isn't practiced in reality," you're telling on yourself and your circle lol



You defining a word, void of any measures of accountability for human flaws and you proving to be careless about the definition's accuracy, to be free to
-dapfish using racially charged buzzwords
-police Black folks' action, while not judging other group members for the same actions
-recklessly make allegations about Black folks
-cape for your fav Black person over another another
...is the problem



I don't talk about low hanging fruit examples and generic concepts like Tyler Perry/drug dealers/gangbangers/white supremacy etc because those are normally used by casuals for virtue signaling/woke flagging...in other words, for self serving reasons
Only a self serving person is willing to use examples that don't support their own meaning. No Black drug dealer cares about "acceptance by the majority," they are about the money...in other words, self serving at the expense of the majority



The fact that a Black media personality cannot publicly smoke or drink, but non-Blacks can, further proves that you are more concerned with what white folks think and how the actions of Shannon(and others in media) will affect your interactions with white folks
Context matters, freedom of speech, expression and creativity has to be afforded to all, not just non-Blacks. You conditionally getting in your feelings only when Black folks do the same thing as others proves you contribute to the problem



I've been on the innanet for too long to fall for blatant deflection attempts, especially on this forum.......using "Black american" as a way to gain unearned credibility are the actions of a self serving manipulator. You might as well use cac/russian-bot/right-wing/agent if you're that desperate

I don't care who you think I am, I'm more concern with self-serving people like you, piggybacking on legit plights for your comeup/dapfish/woke signaling, at the expense of the majority, via watering down the word koon

KH/Oscars/BO incoherent and irrelevant rant is just word salad. You being verbose doesn't reflect knowledge/expertise...it's just you wanting to hear yourself talk


Again, a koon is self serving at the expense of the majority/individual/ideology/progress/movements etc...your actions in this thread proves that more than Shannon's use of props... when pointing a finger at others, there're three pointing back at you
You whole 2nd half confirms your unsupported argument that what I'm saying about shannon supports or covers for myself, yet you continue on this route. lol
I see now that its pointless to continue, you seem locked in on simply making accusations without any logical support for what you posit and no consistency in the standards you create out of thin air.
:smile:

Have a good one.
 
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It obviously is, since you claim what was clearly written isn't understanable to you.
What is self serving about saying c00ning is denegrating your own race for the benefit of the majority race?
What you claim literally makes no sense.
Not only doesn't your example satisfy your own meaning, it's further proof for my original point that your critiques are strategically based on generic phrases/open-ended meanings/loose concepts/conditional standards so you could freely and recklessly apply judgement
:mjgrin:

You whole 2nd half confirms your unsupported argument that what I'm saying about shannon supports or covers for myself, yet you continue on this route. lol
I see now that its pointless to continue, you seem locked in on simply making accusations without any logical support for what you posit and no consistency in the standards you create out of thin air.
:smile:

Have a good one.
complain about proven accusations made against you while accusing me of I'm not being Black American brehs:camby:
 
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I never accused you of not being a black american.
I specifically asked you if you were one, which you refused to answer.
:russell:
I've been on the innanet for too long to fall for blatant deflection attempts, especially on this forum.......using "Black american" as a way to gain unearned credibility are the actions of a self serving manipulator. You might as well use cac/russian-bot/right-wing/agent if you're that desperate

I don't care who you think I am, I'm more concern with self-serving people like you, piggybacking on legit plights for your comeup/dapfish/woke signaling, at the expense of the majority, via watering down the word koon
 

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“c00ning” indeed
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