Struggle of Poor Students

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Meh, I think it has to do with the individual. Sure the odds may be stacked against a low-income student but my first day of college I was taught "no excuse is acceptable."

As long as it can be done, by someone, that will have to suffice. The rest will just have to catch up regardless of what. By any means necessary.
 

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Meh, I think it has to do with the individual. Sure the odds may be stacked against a low-income student but my first day of college I was taught "no excuse is acceptable."

As long as it can be done, by someone, that will have to suffice. The rest will just have to catch up regardless of what. By any means necessary.

I graduated with only $2700 in debt :whew: All the while my pops and moms struggling. So yeah it can be done!
 

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Being a low income student myself, most if not all tuition is paid off at most schools. Apply to scholarships and programs like LSAMP, get good grades, and you straight.

I think lower middle class is more fukked. Not poor enough to get financial aid but not rich enough to pay full tuition.
 

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Being a low income student myself, most if not all tuition is paid off at most schools. Apply to scholarships and programs like LSAMP, get good grades, and you straight.

I think lower middle class is more fukked. Not poor enough to get financial aid but not rich enough to pay full tuition.

:stopitslime:

Just get good grades.

Being a lower income student, only bringing forth a 2.0 and a narrow minded perspective of life, aint going to cut it...
 

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Just get good grades.

Being a lower income student, only bringing forth a 2.0 and a narrow minded perspective of life, aint going to cut it...

That's exactly what I wrote:dwillhuh: I'm comparing the financial situation between two comparable students from poor and lower middle class. I'm poor enough that I don't have pull out a loan or pay any tuition for school.

If a student is above that line, he or she has to pay for school. I don't care what anyone says, going to work full-time puts a burden on your schoolwork.
 

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Just get good grades.

Being a lower income student, only bringing forth a 2.0 and a narrow minded perspective of life, aint going to cut it...

I'm cell phone right now on the road, so excuse any typos, but I have comment on this (and I haven't commented on anything in awhile). In the entire time that I have seen you post, this right here is the only thing that consistently bothers me about you. Your sentiment of "just get it done" ticks me off. I'm sorry, but sometimes I just feel like people with privileges need to know when to stop and listen. It reeks of a low key feeling of superiority. Think about the people in that article (which admittedly I haven't read fully), a guy like me could be the perfect example to say "shut up and work." But I don't. Think about why I don't.

I HATE, HATE, HATE when people try to talk like the exception is the rule like some of the posters before you just did. And I HATE when people talk down to people like you just did. You didn't even mean to but you did. Because where did you start your argument from? A low income student that has a 2.0 and a narrow-minded perspective on life shouldn't be complaining. What kind of garbage is that? How is that even something you would think to say?

Do you realize that only roughly between 15% and 28% of people in a given socioeconomic status ever reach a higher class or status than their parents? Things have gotten so bad that Britain, as stratified as it is now has a higher social mobility than the US. That's horrendous. So, how can you, or anyone even state what you just said in ANY context, when the bigger issue is a societal problem that has much more to do with structural problems than anything to do with an individual? Don't give me that, "succeed in spite of it" stuff that we give to little kids. I did, but I'm the exception, not the rule.

The rule says this: the rate of unemployment is astronomical for my generation, many are considering us to be on the verge of being a "lost generation" akin to Japan's, the rate of college tuition has risen faster than anything else over the last 20 years, poor people are the ones who need student loans more so than anyone else. So they end up worse off than if they had never gone to college at all, but no one will hire them without a college degree. Further, the poor person has no other resources to fall back and rely on. Not every school is wealthy enough to give poor kids a lot of aid.
 

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I'm cell phone right now on the road, so excuse any typos, but I have comment on this (and I haven't commented on anything in awhile). In the entire time that I have seen you post, this right here is the only thing that consistently bothers me about you. Your sentiment of "just get it done" ticks me off. I'm sorry, but sometimes I just feel like people with privileges need to know when to stop and listen. It reeks of a low key feeling of superiority. Think about the people in that article (which admittedly I haven't read fully), a guy like me could be the perfect example to say "shut up and work." But I don't. Think about why I don't.
Alright granted I jumped the gun, didn't read the article before posting. I simply went off the sentiment being spewed in the thread. :guilty: :manny:

It's a gut wrenching story; here, here. But I can only be sohh compassionate...

Wholeheartedly though, on some issues I think to the right, meanwhile on other concerns I strongly support the left...


Sometimes you "just have to get it done."

(see now I'm about to list some sh*t, that's going make me sound like an exception too)

Heck I worked damn near full-time throughout HS and College.

I knew better than to take an enormous loan out, for school at 17. :manny:

Sometimes I'd be up for for over 72hours studying for midterms,finals, and finalizing research projects...

Heck I push myself sohh hard, because I remember my grandmother foretelling stories about blacks(other minorities as well), being denied the half the opportunity available today.

Heck when you do get around to reading the whole article, notice, how these chicks accredit their lack of willingness to studying, due to partying and dealing with "problematic" b/f's, whom they knew were no good from the jump...

“I started partying, and I was working all the time because I had this debt,” she said.


I HATE, HATE, HATE when people try to talk like the exception is the rule like some of the posters before you just did. And I HATE when people talk down to people like you just did. You didn't even mean to but you did. Because where did you start your argument from? A low income student that has a 2.0 and a narrow-minded perspective on life shouldn't be complaining. What kind of garbage is that? How is that even something you would think to say?
:heh: Breh relax, I said 2thingz. The combination of both are rather self-destructive in this economic climate...

Having a 2.0 in college isn't a deal breaker.(granted an individuals is, intrinsic and knows what they want to do.)

Not going to college isn't a deal breaker either. (granted an individual knows what they want to do[trade school, self taught])

Capitalism is still thriving in this country. Rich people are still getting richer and poor people(you know the rest).

With that said, an individual graduating from college with a 2.0 gpa, and little inclination about their next move is disastrous within itself.

You know the type,
loud as a motor bike,
complain about college being a scam, waste of time and little job prospects, because their grades weren't right...
Do you realize that only roughly between 15% and 28% of people in a given socioeconomic status ever reach a higher class or status than their parents? Things have gotten so bad that Britain, as stratified as it is now has a higher social mobility than the US. That's horrendous. So, how can you, or anyone even state what you just said in ANY context, when the bigger issue is a societal problem that has much more to do with structural problems than anything to do with an individual? Don't give me that, "succeed in spite of it" stuff that we give to little kids. I did, but I'm the exception, not the rule.
Times are changing. But once again, this is a capitalist society. While, a more "socialist" society , where equality is prevalent, seems ideal, modern day civilization still has a long way before obtaining this facade.

Theoretically "socialism", never pans out...

Nobody wants upward mobility to halt or decline, but until external and internal forces(congress / consumer confidence ) come together, the masses will suffer.
The rule says this: the rate of unemployment is astronomical for my generation, many are considering us to be on the verge of being a "lost generation" akin to Japan's, the rate of college tuition has risen faster than anything else over the last 20 years, poor people are the ones who need student loans more so than anyone else. So they end up worse off than if they had never gone to college at all, but no one will hire them without a college degree. Further, the poor person has no other resources to fall back and rely on. Not every school is wealthy enough to give poor kids a lot of aid.
Now this is fukked up....
 

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Meh, I think it has to do with the individual. Sure the odds may be stacked against a low-income student but my first day of college I was taught "no excuse is acceptable."

As long as it can be done, by someone, that will have to suffice. The rest will just have to catch up regardless of what. By any means necessary.
You may think that but any sociologist worth their degree knows that upward mobility in the US is limited.The "American Dream" is simply not available to everyone and there's a reason most people live their entire lives in the socioeconomic class that they're born into. A few exceptions to the rule doesn't mean the rule is invalid.

Also, there's a difference between an excuse and an explanation. Not everyone has the chance to move up in a society where the cost of school is constantly increasing. Then you've got to account for student loan debt, a poor job market, lack of a support system for many students, the widening gap between the wealthy and everybody else, etc. These are legitimate explanations.

Edit: I'm not saying we should accept failure/excuses or anything like that.
 

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It is expensive to be poor.

Nowaways, you wont always get your mandatory tuition, parking and books all paid for by grants at a good state school, even with a zero efc. Subsidized loans are being taken away and several federal grant programs have been eliminated.

It is nice to be able to pull oneself up by the bootstraps, it is another thing when you dont have bootstraps at all.

The Obamas werent able to pay off their student loans till Barack's book became a best seller.
 

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It is expensive to be poor.

Nowaways, you wont always get your mandatory tuition, parking and books all paid for by grants at a good state school, even with a zero efc. Subsidized loans are being taken away and several federal grant programs have been eliminated.

It is nice to be able to pull oneself up by the bootstraps, it is another thing when you dont have bootstraps at all.

The Obamas werent able to pay off their student loans till Barack's book became a best seller.

yup. welcome to texas...
 

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You may think that but any sociologist worth their degree knows that upward mobility in the US is limited.The "American Dream" is simply not available to everyone and there's a reason most people live their entire lives in the socioeconomic class that they're born into. A few exceptions to the rule doesn't mean the rule is invalid.

Also, there's a difference between an excuse and an explanation. Not everyone has the chance to move up in a society where the cost of school is constantly increasing. Then you've got to account for student loan debt, a poor job market, lack of a support system for many students, the widening gap between the wealthy and everybody else, etc. These are legitimate explanations.

Edit: I'm not saying we should accept failure/excuses or anything like that.

Well one can't sit and :to: about it or handle theirs. That's the way I see it. Once I was an independent student I got pell grants that covered my entire tuition so it's kinda hard for me to empathize.

If 1 person can do it, I'm sorry, but I can't buy any excuse and/or explanation. As hard as one story is, there's always one harder.

I think it has more to do with one's drive than socioeconomic status. Some are built mentally tougher than others. Sorry to be so blunt. :manny:

Whether you think you can or you can't, you're absolutely right.
 

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I think it has more to do with one's drive than socioeconomic status. Some are built mentally tougher than others. Sorry to be so blunt. :manny:

Whether you think you can or you can't, you're absolutely right.

Basically this, there's no way around it...

When life, presents lemons, just keep on grinding until it's condensed into lemonade...

In perfect world, nobody would abnormally struggle and inequality would be non-existent, but that's far and in between. Earth 2012, isn't a utopia paradise. Maybe in the future...
 
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