Student Loan Consolidation and Proposals

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The House Bill and Obama's recommendation sound like certified clusterfukks that will in no way help out students already having to go deep into debt.

I mean, this is the best we can do?
 

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Isn't that why you don't create an "arbitrary" market calculation?

Yeah, but it's left in the treasury secretary's hands, imagine if we get a Paulson type treasury secretary. I know the dude Romney was bringing in to head his economic policy.....:no:
 

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Listen to this man..... Webster Tarpley is supporting the Warren Bill S897 or Bank on Student Loan Fairness Act..... which correlate student loan interest rates to the same rates the Fed Reserve gives to banks as a discount rate...which is .075% .... he's telling folks they need to support the new Senator Elizabeth Warren from Massachusetts bill....currently student loans are 3.4%, last year's law made it 6.8%.....this bill would make interest rates for students loan at .075%.... if you dont' hear the MSM talking about this..... I think you are being bamboozled....at least discussing this is huge.....

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/0...ig-banks-should-be-offered-to-students-video/

Senator Warren introduced her first bill on Wednesday, one that would require the government to offer college students the same low-interest rates on loans as the Federal Reserve offers to big banks.

It sounds so reasonable that it’s almost hard to believe we would need a law requiring such, but we do. And there is urgency here: July 1, student loan rates are set to double, from 3.4% to 6.8%. Senator Warren’s bill, if passed, will substantially reduce student loan interest rate to .075%.
The average college student who graduated in 2011 owes more than $26,000 in student loans, according to the Project on Student Debt. This places a large financial burden on graduates stepping out into the world, and lessens their chances of being able to invest into the economy.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-4FhsyvJdM"]Sen. Warren Introduces the Bank on Students Loan Fairness Act - YouTube[/ame]



 
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President Obama surrounded himself with college students at the White House on Friday and warned that the cost of student loans is about to go up.

Interest rates on government-backed college loans are set to double July 1 — unless Congress agrees on a fix before then. Obama has threatened to veto a House-passed bill that would let the cost of student loans go up and down with the market.

If the alarm bells over rising student loan rates sound familiar, that's because the same thing happened last year. Back then, the president went on a barnstorming tour of college campuses, warning that a doubling of interest rates would cost the average student borrower $1,000 for each year of college over the life of his loan.

"I'll do a quick poll. This may be unscientific," he said. "How many people can afford to pay an extra $1,000 right now?"

Eventually, Congress agreed to keep rates where they were — at 3.4 percent for one more year. That year is almost up, and students again face the prospect of rates doubling to 6.8 percent July 1. Obama is urging Congress on Friday to block that increase.

Tobin Van Ostern, who's with the campus arm of the left-leaning Center for American Progress, says students will make the case themselves when they descend on Washington, D.C., next week.

"All day, we'll have people going in and out of Congress buildings, meeting with senators and bringing their personal stories and experiences directly to those who have the ability to keep interest rates low," he says.

Van Ostern says lawmakers do seem to have learned a lesson from last year's showdown. No one is eager to see rates double overnight.

"Everyone seems to be in agreement that we need to do something about student loan interest rates to keep them low and affordable for borrowers," he says.

The president and congressional Republicans have offered different plans to do that, though they both start the same way: tying rates on student loans to the interest on a 10-year Treasury note. That rate is expected to be about 2.5 percent next year, climbing to just over 5 percent in 2018.

Under the GOP plan, a student who borrows money next year could see his interest rate rise every year after that, like an adjustable mortgage. In contrast, the president's plan would let students lock in rates for the life of their loan.

Beth Akers of the Brookings Institution says she thinks students might like that predictability.

"It simplifies the math they need to do when they're considering going to college," she says.

On the other hand, Akers gives the Republicans credit for setting an upper limit on interest rates of 8.5 percent. There's no such cap in the president's plan.

"I do think that a cap makes sense, because in a period of economic expansion, where we do have interest rates rising rapidly, we wouldn't want to see less college-going among students who are on the margin of being able to afford to go to college," she says.

Lower-income students would continue to get a break under the president's plan, with interest rates 2 percentage points lower than what others are paying. Under the GOP plan, Van Ostern of the Center for American Progress notes, all students would pay the same rate.

"In reality, that ends up meaning that lower-income folks pay a little bit more, and then it will save people who are middle- or upper-income folks some money," he says.

Compared to some other fights in Washington, these differences don't seem insurmountable. But unless lawmakers and the White House can agree on the details quickly, Van Ostern says, another temporary stopgap measure may be necessary.

"If we can't come up with a long-term plan by then [July 1], and time is ticking, then we certainly need to at least pass a short-term extension of current interest rates to give folks in Congress more time to figure out how to deal with it long term," he says.

The whole idea behind the switch to market rates is to take some of the politics out of the student loan business. For now, though, it's clear that politics is still standing in the way.
 

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Who the fukk is that 5.15% going to

The simplest simplest simplest way to end the tuition racket is put a cap on what people can borrow. If a muhfugga cant borrow more than $2K a semester, colleges better figure out how the fukk to provide an education for that much money

Im sick and tired of letting these colleges rape us. My alma mater just did away with 180+ years of free tuition for all students because they decided to build a new $100M facility right as the recession took a chunk out of their endowment. Student loans support those kinds of boneheaded decisions that kids already enrolled have zero control over. fukk COLLEGE ADMINISTRATORS!!!!! :damn:
 

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Who the fukk is that 5.15% going to

The simplest simplest simplest way to end the tuition racket is put a cap on what people can borrow. If a muhfugga cant borrow more than $2K a semester, colleges better figure out how the fukk to provide an education for that much money

Im sick and tired of letting these colleges rape us. My alma mater just did away with 180+ years of free tuition for all students because they decided to build a new $100M facility right as the recession took a chunk out of their endowment. Student loans support those kinds of boneheaded decisions that kids already enrolled have zero control over. fukk COLLEGE ADMINISTRATORS!!!!! :damn:
I disagree. Elite schools can just point out that they spend more money per student than they bring in and they have the results to justify their costs and that they're providing enough financial aid anyhow. BUT what will bring those costs down is when there is more transparency so the local school won't have the audacity to charge as much as the nation's elite universities because people won't pay for it. Law schools are dealing with this right now as the best students just are dodging law school altogether. It's all about giving people more information, and to shift the conversations with guidance counselors form get to college to getting to a college whose costs will be justified by the returns. Eventually, when smart kids take the cheaper alternative, the bigger brand schools will have to drop costs to a degree as well.

But I'll give the example of Michigan which has one of the highest out of state tuition rates in the country. At one point they broke down to us exactly where every dollar went and there was next to no waste and we couldn't realistically point out anywhere that the funds went that we wouldn't want them to. States needs to provide more funding for colleges as well.

But this is the problem: The University San Diego is charging over 30k just like Berkeley. But Berkeley has a 91% 6 year graduation rate and San Diego's is 68%. The ROI and employment opportunities and those employed at graduation are different on average.
 

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I disagree. Elite schools can just point out that they spend more money per student than they bring in and they have the results to justify their costs and that they're providing enough financial aid anyhow. BUT what will bring those costs down is when there is more transparency so the local school won't have the audacity to charge as much as the nation's elite universities because people won't pay for it. Law schools are dealing with this right now as the best students just are dodging law school altogether. It's all about giving people more information, and to shift the conversations with guidance counselors form get to college to getting to a college whose costs will be justified by the returns. Eventually, when smart kids take the cheaper alternative, the bigger brand schools will have to drop costs to a degree as well.

But I'll give the example of Michigan which has one of the highest out of state tuition rates in the country. At one point they broke down to us exactly where every dollar went and there was next to no waste and we couldn't realistically point out anywhere that the funds went that we wouldn't want them to. States needs to provide more funding for colleges as well.

But this is the problem: The University San Diego is charging over 30k just like Berkeley. But Berkeley has a 91% 6 year graduation rate and San Diego's is 68%. The ROI and employment opportunities and those employed at graduation are different on average.

What are they spending the money on though

I take my alma mater for example (Cooper Union). All we have is art, architecture and engineering. We were pumping out world class artist, architects and engineers w/pretty basic facilities. Why, because the students and faculty are the best and brightest. Yes you can lure smarter kids with fancier facilities, but ultimately the value of a college is in its academics. A lot of colleges don't have the means to pull big talent, so they buy student bodies with fancy facilities. And the govt is subsidizing this all on the back of admittedly clueless students.

You are right that there should be more transparency, but the govt should have more pushback on how much colleges, especially shytty ones, can charge if they want to have access to govt backed student loans. If you are investing millions onto new quads and football coaches but your academics are :flabbynsick:, you shouldn't have the right to use the govt as a channel to fleece someone for $45K. And yet some of these state schools are doing just that :aicmon:

I get that people need to do their own research, and they should. But the bottom line is colleges would not be able to charge what they do if the govt wasn't handing them blank checks. And they are not providing good value for what they are charging. I mean lets be honest. There is already a ton of info out there on colleges, but people are still taking out $200K loans to study drama at NYU. This shyt is going to undermine the economy for years to come, and is the product of a gross market distortion. Govt has to close the spigot to "undistort" and right the wrongs. Very few schools have the justification to charge 10K for a semester of school, let alone 25-40K.
 

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*sigh* here we go with that STEM argument again... :shaq2:
U took it there not me :heh:

I just think tuition fees should line up with the cost of the facilities used for the degree. If all u do is write papers, why should you subsidize the costs of the nikkas using the particle accelerator? Same goes with ROI. A STEM degree that will net a 6 figure job should cost more than a soft degree. It sounds backwards, but w/more transparency and a cap on govt loans anyway, the overall costs would be lower so it wouldn't even matter.
 

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What are they spending the money on though

I take my alma mater for example (Cooper Union). All we have is art, architecture and engineering. We were pumping out world class artist, architects and engineers w/pretty basic facilities. Why, because the students and faculty are the best and brightest. Yes you can lure smarter kids with fancier facilities, but ultimately the value of a college is in its academics. A lot of colleges don't have the means to pull big talent, so they buy student bodies with fancy facilities. And the govt is subsidizing this all on the back of admittedly clueless students.
I can't speak to CU, but the money at our school was going to new research facilities for engineering students, a better medical center, a new dormitory, dormitory renovations and they even stopped from renovating one of the gyms, which they needed to because they thought it would look bad in this economy. I wish I still had those emails, and I could pull them up, I use to work with student affairs too. Our sports programs funded themselves, and most of the new buildings were paid for by getting alumni to donate.

You are right that there should be more transparency, but the govt should have more pushback on how much colleges, especially shytty ones, can charge if they want to have access to govt backed student loans. If you are investing millions onto new quads and football coaches but your academics are :flabbynsick:, you shouldn't have the right to use the govt as a channel to fleece someone for $45K. And yet some of these state schools are doing just that :aicmon:
That's my point, the government should push back, but it would happen more naturally if there was more information. Tuition would not automatically drop if there was a cap and it could be ridiculous, if the schools aren't given the time to reallocate funds and cut some fat. I'd assume you mean a phased in process.

I get that people need to do their own research, and they should. But the bottom line is colleges would not be able to charge what they do if the govt wasn't handing them blank checks. And they are not providing good value for what they are charging. I mean lets be honest. There is already a ton of info out there on colleges, but people are still taking out $200K loans to study drama at NYU. This shyt is going to undermine the economy for years to come, and is the product of a gross market distortion. Govt has to close the spigot to "undistort" and right the wrongs. Very few schools have the justification to charge 10K for a semester of school, let alone 25-40K.
I disagree. Tuition was rising well before the student loan bubble came about. These loans came about as a response to only the affluent being able to afford college, or at least the upper middle class. The expenses predate the current dilemma. But the bigger issue here is you're giving a general rant to things I never said and things that I've articulated more fully in other threads. What you're saying does not prove your point that a cap would solve the problem, which is the only thing I responded to. The burden is on you to justify how that would work, you have yet to do so.

Most schools aren't justified charging that much, but I'm just not convinced by your cap hypothesis. Furthermore, you want there to be a process where every X amounts of years, it is calculated what type of graduates schools have pumped out and the jobs they have received in order to be able to procure more funding. Who is to say schools won't just stop accepting less students that are unlikely to graduate in 6 years and get a job (blacks and hispanics) and who is to say that they won't manipulate the numbers...

I just think there are too many ways that system could go awry. But it's a good thought and probably should be a part of the solution.
 

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I was just generally ranting, but I will hit your points one by one now.

Facilities are good, but the most important things now are academics and career placement IMO. Instead of new labs and stuff schools should be partnering up with employers and getting their students ready for the next phase. A lot of them are failing in that regard, even in STEM fields.

As far as information, I'm not sure what more information you want. Much of what people want to know about schools is out there, and in any case I am not so sure how many people are even taking advantage of the data that is already available. I agree that there should be more info, but also that people should take advantage of it, or I guess be forced to take advantage of it by having it all presented to them by mandatory means.

Again I was ranting generally because I'm angry about the shyt going down at Cooper. The loans did not come about before the bubble. The bubble just goes back further than you think (with the start of the loans). A cap would definitely solve the problem. If a college's choices were to only accept the shrinking pool of kids who could afford super high tuitions, and thus water down the intellectual quality of its student body, or accept more, smarter, but poorer students while keeping costs sane, why do y ou think they would go for the former? What school wants to be known as the place where dumb rich kids go?

And more transparency would solve your other problem, though that opens a whole other can of worms. I remember a while back someone posted an article about how minorities accepted into schools where the avg kid was way smarter/scored way higher on tests was counter productive and prompted a lot of them to fail out. Makes sense. We have to do a better job educating minorities from the get go, rather than making them scramble to play catch up in college. That is a whole other can of worms. But anyway I would rather a black kid go to a school that matches his ability and his budget, than get AA'd into a school they will wind up dropping out of anyway with wild student debt.

I don't have the specific answers, my shyts could be totally fukked up and off base... I can accept that. But as is the system is no go. Govt is writing blank checks to colleges w/18 yr old guarantors. Current system makes no sense. Govt absolutely has to push back if colleges are going to operate on funds enabled by the govt. And the govt DEF shouldnt be charging no god damn 6.8% interest on money it pulls out of thin air and would give to reckless ass banks for nothing. shyt is ridiculous.
 

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I disagree. Tuition was rising well before the student loan bubble came about. These loans came about as a response to only the affluent being able to afford college, or at least the upper middle class. The expenses predate the current dilemma. But the bigger issue here is you're giving a general rant to things I never said and things that I've articulated more fully in other threads. What you're saying does not prove your point that a cap would solve the problem, which is the only thing I responded to. The burden is on you to justify how that would work, you have yet to do so.

Most schools aren't justified charging that much, but I'm just not convinced by your cap hypothesis. Furthermore, you want there to be a process where every X amounts of years, it is calculated what type of graduates schools have pumped out and the jobs they have received in order to be able to procure more funding. Who is to say schools won't just stop accepting less students that are unlikely to graduate in 6 years and get a job (blacks and hispanics) and who is to say that they won't manipulate the numbers...

I just think there are too many ways that system could go awry. But it's a good thought and probably should be a part of the solution.

That's what I was thinking. "Certain" premiere universities have always been expensive. I remember even as a kid, there was always talk about saving up to go to college.

Once the great recession hit, damn near everyone and they mommies decided to go back to school, for degrees in sh*t like Art History, Dance, Drama and Political Science.

I doubt if more degree less were available, half the people in college, would be in college.
 

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how much does everyone owe on their stuff currently? I owe $4800 for courses i took just last year while I was out of work, then 19,000 on my bachelors degree loans...i got a new job just recently, and am knocking out the $4800 here hopefully soon, but plan on paying on the 19,000 for awhile


My brother dropped out of med school...took out loans liberally all throughout, and ended up being close to 200,000 in debt :whoo:

he ended up landing an awesome job, making good money (medical sales), but they want all that to go towards loans of course, which he'll be paying off forever
 

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how much does everyone owe on their stuff currently? I owe $4800 for courses i took just last year while I was out of work, then 19,000 on my bachelors degree loans...i got a new job just recently, and am knocking out the $4800 here hopefully soon, but plan on paying on the 19,000 for awhile


My brother dropped out of med school...took out loans liberally all throughout, and ended up being close to 200,000 in debt :whoo:

he ended up landing an awesome job, making good money (medical sales), but they want all that to go towards loans of course, which he'll be paying off forever

why'd he drop out of med school?
 
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